Port Talbot

Carryfast:

Punchy Dan:

maestegboy:
To rub salt in the wounds now China is going to add a tax to British steel imports! :open_mouth:

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35945407

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35948432

Ideal timing for us to Start taxing chinky steel arriving here .

Declared illegal on quality and safety grounds and thereby removal and return to sender at original shipper’s expense would be better. :bulb: :wink:

"‘… safety grounds’’ There’s been many issues on Chinese electronic goods bursting into flames… those vaping chargers for example.

As Del Boy Trotter might say… ‘’ OH FABRIQUE AU CHIN…‘’ !!!

simon1958:
"‘… safety grounds’’ There’s been many issues on Chinese electronic goods bursting into flames… those vaping chargers for example.

As Del Boy Trotter might say… ‘’ OH FABRIQUE AU CHIN…‘’ !!!

It has to be said that China is not alone in making shoddy unreliable goods. British Leyland cars, the 1970’s Triumph motorbikes are two examples which spring to mind.

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

I must admit, I agree with everything Peter Hitchens says there. !

Also, as I read things, it’s not just Port Talbot, that is under threat, it’s the whole Tata Steel interests in UK, Aldwarke, Stocksbridge ( which have the most advance VAD furnaces in Europe) plus all the steel finishing plants, which I didn’t realise how many there were ! I bet it will run into tens of thousands of well paid jobs being lost, jobs which we’ll never get back.

Maybe this time next year, the only plant surviving will be Scunthorpe, that is now called Long Steel Ltd.

Whilst i feel for the thousands of ordinary men and women about to have their lives shattered, again, we have to remember the traitors have been doing exactly this, ■■■■■■ our industries, for the last 40 years.

We as lorry drivers watched it happen every day of our lives we saw what the general public didn’t see and nor did they bother cos they were too busy with the current idiotic moronic tripe coming from the propaganda box in the corner.
The rot really started in Thatchers day and hasn’t stopped no matter who’s in charge, you’d drive past a factory one week, the next week it would be shut and boarded up, 6 months later it would be an office block or shopping centres or housing or all of the above.

The real problem is greed and me me me, whilst it didn’t affect people themselves most of them didn’t give a crap and nor had they the wit to realise it would be them next.
The current middling classes arn’t bothered (the main influx of immigrants hasn’t hit the office/city roles, but it will), but they will be when their often non jobs get effed off to some other place with cheaper labour/land/taxes, the current benefit and subsidised wages crew think they’ve got it sewn up too, do the min required and the state will top it up and provide, they’re all in for a bloody shock in due course when the coming downturn bites.

The middling classes make me laugh, so up their own arses on their own little treadmill doing as they are told by everyone from govts down to their common purpose bosses, being good little drone consumers bringing the next generation of good little worker drones up believing the right on spin their are fed from babies right through to compulsory Uni (can’t they bloody spell university?) and beyond, isn’t it funny that universities are no longer the bastions of learning they once were where free speech and thought was encouraged to make students think and rationalise for themselves…No Platform to anyone who doesn’t read from the hymnsheet of the day…even Germaine Greer an original feminist given No Platform status, she failed to turn the page at the right moment.

We as an electorate have to take the responsibility for what has happened, we endorsed the entry to the common market, we continue without fail to elect the same self serving liars and traitors to government, too many of us believe the utter ■■■■■■■■ that the state broadcaster and the rest of the mainstream bought and paid for media spouts.
We believe the Tories are Conservatives and the current tory party might as well be from another planet.
We belived that the Blairites were similar soft tories, nothing could have been further from the truth, very dangerous people and we have done nothing to stop the half a million a year influx which unless we leave the EU and get rid of the status quo political class will carry on indefinately, nor have we seen the results of Blair mutlicultural experiment yet, but our children will.
Helpfully being urged along at breakneck speed by the Fuhrer, who now rules Britain by default.

We’ll elect the same bunch again, it might be wearing a blue or red rosette or even a yellow bugger and it doesn’t matter which of the main parties cos they are all the bloody same, they’ll tell you what you want to hear and increasingly how you should think, they’ll spin everything to suit the agenda…that agenda has never had the interests of British working people at heart, so why have Brit working people (who are the majority) voted for those who despise them and their beliefs for generations now?

It’s our money and our country these people have taken, given away, sold, whatever, they ■■■■ our taxes up the wall on whatever their latest crusade of the moment might be and we sit idly by watching some more utter bloody drivel on the propaganda box in the corner, then once every 5 years go and vote for more of the same, utter lunacy.
You couldn’t make it up.

Carryfast:

toby1234abc:
Carryfast, you are one boring duffer, I feel sorry for the man sat next to you in the pub, your posts are like watching paint to dry .

Maybe boring to you.But at least I’m putting forward solutions which is more than your pointless bollox there has done.

But they are not solutions in reality as nobody who is actually in a position to change anything will read them on here. We can all spout about this, that and the other and get wound up about it but life will just carry on regardless of what ‘we’ think should be done.

Pete.

Juddian:
Whilst i feel for the thousands of ordinary men and women about to have their lives shattered, again, we have to remember the traitors have been doing exactly this, ■■■■■■ our industries, for the last 40 years.

We as lorry drivers watched it happen every day of our lives we saw what the general public didn’t see and nor did they bother cos they were too busy with the current idiotic moronic tripe coming from the propaganda box in the corner.
The rot really started in Thatchers day and hasn’t stopped no matter who’s in charge, you’d drive past a factory one week, the next week it would be shut and boarded up, 6 months later it would be an office block or shopping centres or housing or all of the above.

The real problem is greed and me me me, whilst it didn’t affect people themselves most of them didn’t give a crap and nor had they the wit to realise it would be them next.
The current middling classes arn’t bothered (the main influx of immigrants hasn’t hit the office/city roles, but it will), but they will be when their often non jobs get effed off to some other place with cheaper labour/land/taxes, the current benefit and subsidised wages crew think they’ve got it sewn up too, do the min required and the state will top it up and provide, they’re all in for a bloody shock in due course when the coming downturn bites.

The middling classes make me laugh, so up their own arses on their own little treadmill doing as they are told by everyone from govts down to their common purpose bosses, being good little drone consumers bringing the next generation of good little worker drones up believing the right on spin their are fed from babies right through to compulsory Uni (can’t they bloody spell university?) and beyond, isn’t it funny that universities are no longer the bastions of learning they once were where free speech and thought was encouraged to make students think and rationalise for themselves…No Platform to anyone who doesn’t read from the hymnsheet of the day…even Germaine Greer an original feminist given No Platform status, she failed to turn the page at the right moment.

We as an electorate have to take the responsibility for what has happened, we endorsed the entry to the common market, we continue without fail to elect the same self serving liars and traitors to government, too many of us believe the utter ■■■■■■■■ that the state broadcaster and the rest of the mainstream bought and paid for media spouts.
We believe the Tories are Conservatives and the current tory party might as well be from another planet.
We belived that the Blairites were similar soft tories, nothing could have been further from the truth, very dangerous people and we have done nothing to stop the half a million a year influx which unless we leave the EU and get rid of the status quo political class will carry on indefinately, nor have we seen the results of Blair mutlicultural experiment yet, but our children will.
Helpfully being urged along at breakneck speed by the Fuhrer, who now rules Britain by default.

We’ll elect the same bunch again, it might be wearing a blue or red rosette or even a yellow bugger and it doesn’t matter which of the main parties cos they are all the bloody same, they’ll tell you what you want to hear and increasingly how you should think, they’ll spin everything to suit the agenda…that agenda has never had the interests of British working people at heart, so why have Brit working people (who are the majority) voted for those who despise them and their beliefs for generations now?

It’s our money and our country these people have taken, given away, sold, whatever, they ■■■■ our taxes up the wall on whatever their latest crusade of the moment might be and we sit idly by watching some more utter bloody drivel on the propaganda box in the corner, then once every 5 years go and vote for more of the same, utter lunacy.
You couldn’t make it up.

Ne’er a truer word was spoken

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

During the 1950s working days lost due to strikes averaged 3.3m a year, rising to 3.6m in the 1960s. But the defining decade was the 1970s, with a three-day week at one end and the winter of discontent at the other. During that period 12.9m days were lost, on average, each year to industrial action and the country often seemed to be on the brink of anarchy (although union leaders also struggled to contain unofficial action by their members).

Cant of helped matters, though why let that get in the way of an agenda :wink:

British workers striking for German type wages in real terms.:unamused:

Not all these strikes were about pay, and maybe many were justified, in an effort to improve conditions. The fact is though, if the workforce are outside the gate, then no production can take place whatever the industry, and the Germans, through no fault of their own, rumble ever relentlessly forward to market ■■■■■■■■■■. Maybe they engineered the situation, but we didnt have to go out the gate so often, and make it the easier for them.

The one time I was seriously held up by a strike, it was at Gladstone dock Liverpool, they were striking to have the grain augers slowed down, because they thought they were tipping to many lorries an hour. They could’ve slowed the tipping process by not calling each subsequent truck forward as soon, leave a minute or two between each truck job done, instead they walked out for 2 days. On the plus side, we were allowed to leave the trucks on the port, and go of for refreshment, much beer was drunk during the evening :smiley:

cav551:

Juddian:
Whilst i feel for the thousands of ordinary men and women about to have their lives shattered, again, we have to remember the traitors have been doing exactly this, ■■■■■■ our industries, for the last 40 years.

We as lorry drivers watched it happen every day of our lives we saw what the general public didn’t see and nor did they bother cos they were too busy with the current idiotic moronic tripe coming from the propaganda box in the corner.
The rot really started in Thatchers day and hasn’t stopped no matter who’s in charge, you’d drive past a factory one week, the next week it would be shut and boarded up, 6 months later it would be an office block or shopping centres or housing or all of the above.

The real problem is greed and me me me, whilst it didn’t affect people themselves most of them didn’t give a crap and nor had they the wit to realise it would be them next.
The current middling classes arn’t bothered (the main influx of immigrants hasn’t hit the office/city roles, but it will), but they will be when their often non jobs get effed off to some other place with cheaper labour/land/taxes, the current benefit and subsidised wages crew think they’ve got it sewn up too, do the min required and the state will top it up and provide, they’re all in for a bloody shock in due course when the coming downturn bites.

The middling classes make me laugh, so up their own arses on their own little treadmill doing as they are told by everyone from govts down to their common purpose bosses, being good little drone consumers bringing the next generation of good little worker drones up believing the right on spin their are fed from babies right through to compulsory Uni (can’t they bloody spell university?) and beyond, isn’t it funny that universities are no longer the bastions of learning they once were where free speech and thought was encouraged to make students think and rationalise for themselves…No Platform to anyone who doesn’t read from the hymnsheet of the day…even Germaine Greer an original feminist given No Platform status, she failed to turn the page at the right moment.

We as an electorate have to take the responsibility for what has happened, we endorsed the entry to the common market, we continue without fail to elect the same self serving liars and traitors to government, too many of us believe the utter ■■■■■■■■ that the state broadcaster and the rest of the mainstream bought and paid for media spouts.
We believe the Tories are Conservatives and the current tory party might as well be from another planet.
We belived that the Blairites were similar soft tories, nothing could have been further from the truth, very dangerous people and we have done nothing to stop the half a million a year influx which unless we leave the EU and get rid of the status quo political class will carry on indefinately, nor have we seen the results of Blair mutlicultural experiment yet, but our children will.
Helpfully being urged along at breakneck speed by the Fuhrer, who now rules Britain by default.

We’ll elect the same bunch again, it might be wearing a blue or red rosette or even a yellow bugger and it doesn’t matter which of the main parties cos they are all the bloody same, they’ll tell you what you want to hear and increasingly how you should think, they’ll spin everything to suit the agenda…that agenda has never had the interests of British working people at heart, so why have Brit working people (who are the majority) voted for those who despise them and their beliefs for generations now?

It’s our money and our country these people have taken, given away, sold, whatever, they ■■■■ our taxes up the wall on whatever their latest crusade of the moment might be and we sit idly by watching some more utter bloody drivel on the propaganda box in the corner, then once every 5 years go and vote for more of the same, utter lunacy.
You couldn’t make it up.

Ne’er a truer word was spoken

+1!!! :imp:

Dred to think what kind of country (if any by then), my kids are going to grow up into…? :frowning:

Sidevalve:

simon1958:
"‘… safety grounds’’ There’s been many issues on Chinese electronic goods bursting into flames… those vaping chargers for example.

As Del Boy Trotter might say… ‘’ OH FABRIQUE AU CHIN…‘’ !!!

It has to be said that China is not alone in making shoddy unreliable goods. British Leyland cars, the 1970’s Triumph motorbikes are two examples which spring to mind.

Patriotism isn’t one of your strong points. Triumph Twins like BMC cars are the usually expected selective choice of those wishing to run down British industry.No surprise that you wouldn’t want to include Rolls Royce,Jaguar and Ariel and Brough among your choices in that regard. :unamused: Bearing in mind that the issue of China waging obvious economic warfare on ‘the west’ is all part of an obvious bigger aggressive strategic agenda.

Juddian:
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

At last.Maybe the turning point with the realisation dawning among the Conservative vote that Thatcher and Reagan were actually working ultimately for the interests of Chinese Communism and against those of their own nations and they were stupid enough to buy it.Which just now needs the same realisation among the unions that Nationalism not Socialism is the way to fix the problem.

eddie snax:
Not all these strikes were about pay,

The one time I was seriously held up by a strike, it was at Gladstone dock Liverpool, they were striking to have the grain augers slowed down,

The idea of guvnors expecting more work for the same pay as opposed to employing more workers is effectively all part of the same thing.You don’t go into a shop and ask for more product for the same price so why expect it in the labour market. :bulb:

windrush:
But they are not solutions in reality as nobody who is actually in a position to change anything will read them on here. We can all spout about this, that and the other and get wound up about it but life will just carry on regardless of what ‘we’ think should be done.

Pete.

The idea of putting the topic on the forum is all about us spouting about this and that.The issue in this case obviously being an argument among the public regards free markets v protectionist trade policies.While it seems obvious that those ‘in a position to do anything’ will have to listen ‘if’ enough people have the sense to realise that support of the status quo of free markets is effectively a form of treason against the national interest.Especially when that treachery supports a regime as corrupt as and with the obvious aggressive intent of Chinese Communism.On that note I’m sure that those who died on the Amethyst will be turning in their graves. :imp:

Steel crisis: Sanjeev Gupta in talks over Port Talbot sale - BBC News Well with a name like Gupta he can’t easily claim people are being racist when they call him gupta :smiley:

perkibre:
Maybe this time next year, the only plant surviving will be Scunthorpe, that is now called Long Steel Ltd.

The plate mills at scunthorpe have already stopped , Longs steel is made up of tatas long products division which includes the rail and medium section mill at scunthorpe, the beam mill at Lackenby, Fabstock at Lackenby , workington , skinningrove and a few other bits and peices , im reliably informed that the deal with greybull capital is almost through to purchase the long products division ( longs steel as it has been called for the last 6 months or so)

Carryfast:

eddie snax:
Not all these strikes were about pay,

The one time I was seriously held up by a strike, it was at Gladstone dock Liverpool, they were striking to have the grain augers slowed down,

The idea of guvnors expecting more work for the same pay as opposed to employing more workers is effectively all part of the same thing.You don’t go into a shop and ask for more product for the same price so why expect it in the labour market. :bulb:

Apart the EU stuff, there is little I find to disagree with you about.

I will say that I was in no way complaining about the fact that the Dockers wanted to slow the job down a bit, I just thought that they could have achieved the same result without walking out. If they had simply, waited between each truck a minute or two and told each driver not to fully open the grain hatch, it would have had the desired effect. In the same way that the ■■■■■■ drivers at Felixstowe will, once they have fulfilled the hourly quota, wait 10 - 15 minutes for the start of the next hour, then recommence tipping/loading trucks, putting those trucks into the next hours quota by default.

Its the same as those drivers who ring in as soon as they are empty, then complain about being rushed. Once tipped, put the kettle on, take 15-20 mins for a brew, whilst on premises, then when you ring in, tell your planner you’ll be taking half hour or so on the way back, settle the job to suit yourself.

eddie snax:
Its the same as those drivers who ring in as soon as they are empty, then complain about being rushed. Once tipped, put the kettle on, take 15-20 mins for a brew, whilst on premises, then when you ring in, tell your planner you’ll be taking half hour or so on the way back, settle the job to suit yourself.

^^^^ absolutely correct.

We all have work colleagues who tear around at Mach 2 with their hair on fire and then ■■■■■ and moan that they’re overworked or put upon.

chaversdad:

perkibre:
Maybe this time next year, the only plant surviving will be Scunthorpe, that is now called Long Steel Ltd.

The plate mills at scunthorpe have already stopped , Longs steel is made up of tatas long products division which includes the rail and medium section mill at scunthorpe, the beam mill at Lackenby, Fabstock at Lackenby , workington , skinningrove and a few other bits and peices , im reliably informed that the deal with greybull capital is almost through to purchase the long products division ( longs steel as it has been called for the last 6 months or so)

What’s it like at Lackenby now Chaversdad, bet it seems strange, with everything silent again. On telly other night, they were at the back of Redcar Blast Furnace, and it looked to me as if steam was coming out of some pipe work, are they still keeping the vessels and furnace hot, to stop it all falling in, or is marked for demolition ?

perkibre:

chaversdad:

perkibre:
Maybe this time next year, the only plant surviving will be Scunthorpe, that is now called Long Steel Ltd.

The plate mills at scunthorpe have already stopped , Longs steel is made up of tatas long products division which includes the rail and medium section mill at scunthorpe, the beam mill at Lackenby, Fabstock at Lackenby , workington , skinningrove and a few other bits and peices , im reliably informed that the deal with greybull capital is almost through to purchase the long products division ( longs steel as it has been called for the last 6 months or so)

What’s it like at Lackenby now Chaversdad, bet it seems strange, with everything silent again. On telly other night, they were at the back of Redcar Blast Furnace, and it looked to me as if steam was coming out of some pipe work, are they still keeping the vessels and furnace hot, to stop it all falling in, or is marked for demolition ?

Thats just it its not silent, far from it, the redcar blast furnace is now closed as you say but thats about 2 miles from the Lackenby site so apart from not seeing crap come out the chimney you wouldnt know any different , at Lackenby its still all go ,the beam mill is busier than it ever been , redcar hasnt supplied the rolling mill up here for years so the redcar closure had no effect on Lackenby as all the slabs used here are brought up by rail from Scunthorpe, the pipeworks at Hartlepool get all there steel from southwales sent up by rail also

The furnace at redcar is now cold and i would imagine the demolition will be starting shortly as jobs to do this are currently being advertised ( asbestos removal etc)

Carryfast, your posts are too long winded and no driver would have time to read the pointless stuff you write on here, i would need two 45 minute tacho breaks .