Poor pay

[tyler4164]

Squiddy:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

So set up your own haulage company and pay your drivers minimum wage whilst you lap it up in your three houses and high performance cars. If your boss managed to make it to the big bucks why can’t you?

Why the hell would i wanna do that■■? You know im right

[ady1]

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

but were not WORKING 70/80 hrs p.w are we,
today
drive to birtley
get tipped
sleep for 3 hrs whilst customer services attempt to get a p.o.d faxed to birtly,they failed
drive to malton
sleep/chat/drink coffee for 3 hrs whilst waiting to load
drive back to yard
go home
your not seriously calling that work are you,yes we might be at work 70/80 hrs,but were defo not working.
and your happy with what you do,good on you,so if your happy why are you worried about me or anyone else who works 70/80 hrs,let us worry about hours,home life ,kids,decorating etc,your happy with your lot,im pleased for you,im not saying your a fruitcake tyler for doing what your doing,so why am i a fruitcake for doing what i want,live and let live

[squiddy]

tyler4164:

Squiddy:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

So set up your own haulage company and pay your drivers minimum wage whilst you lap it up in your three houses and high performance cars. If your boss managed to make it to the big bucks why can’t you?

Why the hell would i wanna do that■■? You know im right

Yeah I know you’re right, but Rob K has yet to make an appearance so I though I would fill in till he arrives

[tyler4164]

ady1:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

but were not WORKING 70/80 hrs p.w are we,
today
drive to birtley
get tipped
sleep for 3 hrs whilst customer services attempt to get a p.o.d faxed to birtly,they failed
drive to malton
sleep/chat/drink coffee for 3 hrs whilst waiting to load
drive back to yard
go home
your not seriously calling that work are you,yes we might be at work 70/80 hrs,but were defo not working.
and your happy with what you do,good on you,so if your happy why are you worried about me or anyone else who works 70/80 hrs,let us worry about hours,home life ,kids,decorating etc,your happy with your lot,im pleased for you,im not saying your a fruitcake tyler for doing what your doing,so why am i a fruitcake for doing what i want,live and let live

I didnt call you a fruit cake i just think its sad that people are under the ilusion that working (or should i say being at work for) 70-80 hrs a week to earn £700 means they are on good money. If you was on a really good hourly rate doing all those hours then great but your on a poor hourly rate having to give up alot of your time just to earn a half decent wage

[saaamon]

Squiddy:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

So set up your own haulage company and pay your drivers minimum wage whilst you lap it up in your three houses and high performance cars. If your boss managed to make it to the big bucks why can’t you?

+1

Its an easy job and you we all know what we signed up for when we took the job.

[tyler4164]

Saaamon:

Squiddy:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

So set up your own haulage company and pay your drivers minimum wage whilst you lap it up in your three houses and high performance cars. If your boss managed to make it to the big bucks why can’t you?

+1

Its an easy job and you we all know what we signed up for when we took the job.

Not true, back in 2006 i was living near heathrow airport. When i first passed my class c & c+e my first job i got i was on £25.000 a yr basic not including overtime, that was mon-fri working about 40hrs doing air freight. I was even offered £100 extra a week to change from mon-fri to tues-sat. Now a few yrs later the money is alot less whoever you work for unless you do mega hrs. Like i said though im happy with my job as the working hours suit me etc etc. We all know the pay isnt what it used to be but thats life.

[mike-c]

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap.

You’re getting confused with low (or your desciption crap) hourly rates and a good wage. £700 per week is an excellent wage by anyone standards.

tyler4164:
You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!!

No you don;t have to be out of your mind. You just need to want to earn £700 a week so bad and you have no other way to do it, its simple. You make a choice.

tyler4164:
At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must.

Ah !!! The old “i’ll do what suits me” trick !!

tyler4164:
Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

Hang on, you just said…oh forget it. I personally think everyone is just doing what suits them !!!

[saaamon]

tyler4164:

Saaamon:

Squiddy:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap. You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!! At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must. Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

So set up your own haulage company and pay your drivers minimum wage whilst you lap it up in your three houses and high performance cars. If your boss managed to make it to the big bucks why can’t you?

+1

Its an easy job and you we all know what we signed up for when we took the job.

Not true, back in 2006 i was living near heathrow airport. When i first passed my class c & c+e my first job i got i was on £25.000 a yr basic not including overtime, that was mon-fri working about 40hrs doing air freight. I was even offered £100 extra a week to change from mon-fri to tues-sat. Now a few yrs later the money is alot less whoever you work for unless you do mega hrs. Like i said though im happy with my job as the working hours suit me etc etc. We all know the pay isnt what it used to be but thats life.

Things were different in 06, everything was booming, everyone had money or atleast acess to the stuff. Times have changed, business are skint and will look for any saving possible and this rate cutting evenutally works its way down the line to the drivers pocket. There are also more drivers than jobs too, but as much as people dont want to believe it, I think, things are picking up companies are starting to spend again.

[tyler4164]

Mike-C:

tyler4164:
The wages are rubbish in this game no matter what you earn. Anyone who thinks £700 for 70-80hrs work is good needs their head examining. Its not good its total crap.

You’re getting confused with low (or your desciption crap) hourly rates and a good wage. £700 per week is an excellent wage by anyone standards.

tyler4164:
You have no family life whatsoever while the top dogs at the company live in nice houses drive nice cars & live fantastic lifestyles. You must be out of your mind being prepared to work so many hours!!

No you don;t have to be out of your mind. You just need to want to earn £700 a week so bad and you have no other way to do it, its simple. You make a choice.

tyler4164:
At the end of the day my job doesnt pay great money but for what i do & the hours i work it suits me but i admit the moneys still crap but needs must.

Ah !!! The old “i’ll do what suits me” trick !!

tyler4164:
Until drivers stick together things are only gonna get worse

Hang on, you just said…oh forget it. I personally think everyone is just doing what suits them !!!

So what your saying is that all the drivers working 70-80hrs a week do it because they want to■■? I dont believe that for 1 minute! £700 a week is good if you dont work away all week but for 70-80 hrs its not good & any1 who thinks it is is talking rubbish. If i earned that for what i do now it would be good money. But i wouldnt work or be at work for 70-80 hrs as my time is worth much more then that thanks

[robroy]

£700 per week in it,s self is a good wage, it is the amount of time spent at work to earn it, that makes it a not so good wage, whether you are driving, loading, sleeping while waiting, or sat scratching your arse, in company time, you are by definition working,
The fact is the job is crap, end of, but if you don,t like it try and get out, if not, stick with it and hope that it may get better, but after saying that, when you get certain drivers on here defending certain employers actions, which go a long way to causing the job to be crap, it will always be that,…crap!!!

[sdg1970]

Saaamon:
Things were different in 06, everything was booming, everyone had money or atleast acess to the stuff. Times have changed, business are skint and will look for any saving possible and this rate cutting evenutally works its way down the line to the drivers pocket. There are also more drivers than jobs too, but as much as people dont want to believe it, I think, things are picking up companies are starting to spend again.

Yep, I agree, things are imperceptibly starting to turn; though it will take a good few years before we are back to anything like it was in 06/07. Many would say - I am one of them - that it should not be allowed to get to a 5-7 year cyclic repetition of extreme boom and extreme bust (as now). It only gives the Banker’s short thrift to repeat the mistakes of the past, but hey, ho no doubt it will. Too many Drivers now for definate, but things will turn, but I’d be dubious of going back to 06 excesses. I managed to save a hell of a lot when I was clearing good money back then, and now sit relatively happy and dip into that money as and when required (if I get a short week from the agencies etc).

I noted a dig at shareholders earlier in the thread, wellI I am guilty of being a Stobart shareholder until fairly recently and I have to say I enjoy a dabble or ten in the stockmarket and make a decent second income from it (anyone can open an online trading account, it just takes a bit of ■■■■■ to take the time to buy and sell the right equities or commodities). Stobart shares have done fairly well in the past 18 months or so. It’s certainly not limited to the suited and booted brigade, if they can do it, well, my approach was always have a go yourself. As it turned out, it’s a very engaging hobby/second income. GLA DYOR

[orys]

dessy:
£550-£600 a week tramping is reasonable money! Do you earn that on a Sprinter in The Eurozone then Orys?

Since you asked…

Actually I don’t like to talk about it, as noone seems to believe me, but what I can do if it’s true? So this is how it is, and if you don’t want to believe - it’s OK. I know what is on my pay slip and that’s enough for me.

Last week I was doing Aberdeen - Bergen (N) and then Kobenhavn - Leeds. On the way up I visited my friends in Rotterdam for a dinner and coffe. Later I had one easy day (as after clearing customs in Svinesund I knew I won’t be able to do it to Bergen that day, so I just was taking my time and sightseeing on the way up. Then next day after my delivery I had a picnic on the bank of the fjord and about 3pm in the afternoon was told to 'head slowly" to Hamburg for next day evening. Still plenty of time, so I had some sighseeing again. Then when I arrived to Hamburg I had phone call to tell me that my Hamburg job is canceled, but I have another one in Kobenhavn next day, so back to Denmark (no rush again, as the job wasn’t ready till next day, and it’s only about 4 hours drive + 40 minutes ferry crossing).

I left Glasgow Saturday morning, and I was back Friday early afternoon… Driving fast and long hours

My take home pay for that week was 890.

Saying that that’s off course not my average week. Some weeks it’s very quiet and I work like 20 hours and get sometimes less than 200. But hey, then I sit home for most of the week.

I know that the drivers who do Europe all the time have about 700-800 per week on average. But then they are almost never at home.

Over my last year my average week has been about 480 take home. But I am “second league” of the drivers, there are some who do Europe every week, I do lots of local runs (by local I mean “Glasgow - Heathrow and back” ) so I am spent a lot of time home. I think it’s pretty good wage for driving a sprinter…

The wages are so big, as we are paid flat rate per hour from the moment we leave home to the moment we are back in the yard. If you are away for week (like in runs to Greece or Turkey) you are paid 24/7.

We do not have allowances, but if we decide to go to the hotel, we are reimbursed for the hotel (and sometimes it’s really expensive one) but 8 hours is taken from our salary.

Sometimes I just stop and go to the Formula 1 or something similar if I feel like that and do not ask for reimbursment, the boss said it’s ok for him.

That way I am paid for 8 hours sleep and the hotel only cost me 3 hours of my salary so I have 5 hours pay in my pocket for spending a night in a hotel - still much better than having 22 overnight allowance.

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I don’t wanted to get into my wages, i mentioned them earlier only beacause I think that if I get so much for driving a sprinter, and I know it’s nothing unusual in that industry, I think the class one european driver should earn much more than me.

[daveb0789]

You could try bus driving. Pay rates are better than £8 an hour and you are home every night. Obviously London rates are far better. Or you could try my casual job which is coach driving. Rates of pay very similar but you get to go places. You can do anything from a school trip to the swimming pool to a tour of Scotland. But just like Trucking it doesn’t have earning potential unless you do National Express work.

When I’m Coaching I’ll get £60 a day irrespective if the day length. But I rarely do more than 6 hours actual driving.

I think 70/80 hours a week for £700 is excessive. £10 an hour isn’t bad though.

I’m salaried at 46k for a 35 hour week in my main job. No idea what that works out per week.

[truckulent]

bubsy06:

Truckulent:
Driving through Wales scenery etc etc. What bolox. Most drivers, sit in traffic for hours every week, get treated like [zb] at every tip/collection and have to tolerate poor services and hardly anywhere to stop that won’t rip you off.

Truly you people are in a different world. It’s not about willy waving. It’s about being paid a decent amount that reflects the sort of money the firms you work for actually earn in profit, given the importance of the job of the driver.

Having read the post in this thread i don’t think some of you even know why you’re driving loads up and down the country. You just do it ‘cos the gaffer tells me to’.

These people are making THOUSANDS a day out of you.And you’re happy with a tiny percentage of that!!!

What is so wrong with demanded a decent day’s pay?

With regard to the Stobbies drivers getting their marching orders, the reason they keep on the trampers is 'cos they get more work out of you for less money so it’s good business sense for them. What a cheek the day/night lads have wanting to go home after a shift when they could be parked up in a manky layby somewhere kipping on a bunk and eating camp food.

Mods can you change his username to trucklusional
Obviously you have been taken for a mug mate

LOL, ain’t me that’s the mug mate… I can see when I’m being dry analed mate and I don’t do it. I’m lucky enough to have another non driving job so if I’m asked to drive for ■■■■■ money - I don’t accept. If everyone did the same then we’d be getting somewhere…

Thank God for RobRoy, one of the few that understands the point I’m making here. If you aren’t at home then you are working. It doesn’t matter what your tacho is set to. When you’re in company time you’re working.

As has been said in this post already, LGV drivers earn ■■■■■ money, whoever they work for.The difference is a few of us actually face up to reality and accept this and even want to try to do something about it. Whereas you yes men are happy to hide behind a pretence that you ‘don’t call that work’’ cos you happen to have been stuck in an RDC for 5 hours waiting to be loaded. Well yes, actually it is work, what else is it if you’re not at home■■?

With the attitudes on here it isn’t suprising that the transport companies are shafting us. Lots of drivers seem to enjoy being shafted and that really screws it up for the rest of us that actually expect to be paid a decent wage for doing a decent day’s work…

[dessy]

As has been said in this post already, LGV drivers earn [zb] money, whoever they work for.The difference is a few of us actually face up to reality and accept this and even want to try to do something about it. Whereas you yes men are happy to hide behind a pretence that you ‘don’t call that work’’ cos you happen to have been stuck in an RDC for 5 hours waiting to be loaded. Well yes, actually it is work, what else is it if you’re not at home■■?

With the attitudes on here it isn’t suprising that the transport companies are shafting us. Lots of drivers seem to enjoy being shafted and that really screws it up for the rest of us that actually expect to be paid a decent wage for doing a decent day’s work…
[/quote]

OK! Who do you work for then mate? Your like a broken record on this subject!
But we still don’t know who you work for or if you applied to Stobart and got blasted! A lot have!

Orys! Good money if you can get it every week! £550-£600 take home every week for 60 hours in the UK! No further north than Leeds Manchester! And no crossing to the continent!

[robroy]

dessy:
OK! Who do you work for then mate? Your like a broken record on this subject!
But we still don’t know who you work for or if you applied to Stobart and got blasted! A lot have!
!

I don,t really want to get involved in a slanging match between you two guys, and I,m sure Truckulent can speak for himself, but wheres the relavance in who he works for ffs the comments are based on the state of the industry, not an attack on Stobarts, it may be hard for some to digest, but believe it or not the world does not revolve around Stobarts , and guess what, there are actually guys on here, wait for it…, would not want to work for them, Yeh really!! , and to go a step further after the derisory tv shows, some may be, again wait for it… embarrased to work for them , and before you ask I have never dreamed, thought about, considered, wanted, applied, or been knocked back for a job at Stobarts, but hey , maybe I,m in a minority on here, and I don,t blindly accept, and certainly don,t repeat,company BS hit

[truckulent]

robroy:

dessy:
OK! Who do you work for then mate? Your like a broken record on this subject!
But we still don’t know who you work for or if you applied to Stobart and got blasted! A lot have!
!

I don,t really want to get involved in a slanging match between you two guys, and I,m sure Truckulent can speak for himself, but wheres the relavance in who he works for ffs the comments are based on the state of the industry, not an attack on Stobarts, it may be hard for some to digest, but believe it or not the world does not revolve around Stobarts , and guess what, there are actually guys on here, wait for it…, would not want to work for them, Yeh really!! , and to go a step further after the derisory tv shows, some may be, again wait for it… embarrased to work for them , and before you ask I have never dreamed, thought about, considered, wanted, applied, or been knocked back for a job at Stobarts, but hey , maybe I,m in a minority on here, and I don,t blindly accept, and certainly don,t repeat,company BS hit

+1
Exactly RobRoy!! I work for myself. No other way. I say yes if I like the place and wage and no if I don’t. I have never applied to Steady Eddies and I never will-■■■■■ wages and an excess of ■■■■■■■■ would mean I never would unless the wages increased by about 45%. However it’s not just Stobarts there are plenty of other places that shaft the hand that feeds them.

See robroy’s post for further info - couldn’t have put it better myself

[dessy]

So you won’t say! Mhhmm! Well that says everything for me!
I feel hurt that you would think I spout company BS!
But as you don’t know me!

Are you actually a driver? Most will BS about their wedge! But they do actually drive the things!
+1
Exactly RobRoy!! I work for myself. No other way.

[robroy]

dessy:
So you won’t say! Mhhmm! Well that says everything for me!
I feel hurt that you would think I spout company BS!
But as you don’t know me!

Are you actually a driver? Most will BS about their wedge! But they do actually drive the things!
+1
Exactly RobRoy!! I work for myself. No other way.

You don,t make it clear who your question is directed to, but assuming it,s me, thanks ever so much for your interest in my career , Yeh I am actually a driver, since 1979 in fact, (nowt to boast about I know before you start) CPC holder, most aspects of the job covered flat, tipper, taut,fridge in fact every type excluding tanker, ex owner driver and small fleet owner, UK and European work, ADR (expired) and so on, so what exactly is your point? (please don,t be so predictable to imply I am saying I have done more than you,ve done so what" as I,ve already stated it,s nowt to boast about,) you asked I answered.
You say most "bs about their wedge, you speak for yourself bud, I dont bs about my crap wages or consider myself loyal to the shower of sh I work for, and I certainly dont believe or repeat the excuses they spout for said wages they pay me crap wages cos they can, I make the best of it the only redeeming feature is I,ve got a half decent motor to live in, and the manager at our branch depot is a decent guy thats as far as it goes.

[ollienotts]

Well I’ve just finished for a place paying £7.50 for 48 and £9.75 after I went for the money and was told I’d be out all week but that 500 in the bank each Friday soon got less and less when it got quiet and the ‘favourites’ got the work. I knew it was crap but the money I earnt served it’s purpose as I’ve just come back from hol with the kids yesterday and I’m off again with the mrs for a week on sat. I did 69 hours one week and not including nights out cleared £436. £436 for almost two people’s wages
Some guys like it, some guys loath it. I loathed it in the end, missing seeing the kiddies growing up so I can give up my life for a crap wage working for a very wealthy bloke who was only too happy to dock wages for anything he could think of made me think f’uck this I’m out of it. Instead of moaning about it I’m doing something about it
Each to their own though, if someone wants to spend 80 hours a week at work and think they have a good home life then fair game. I couldn’t make it work long term, and I wouldn’t ‘want’ to ever work 69 hours a week regular again no matter what the pay. Life is for living and I can’t seem to find a happy medium regarding the hours/money/being at the beck and call 6 days a week. So I’ll get s job that’s fits my lifestyle choice. And also a lot of drivers ‘choose’ to live for the job and the money isn’t the sole reason they go to work like it is for me so fair play and good luck to em