No. Don’t think they done anything wrong.
Chances are they will end up folding anyway.
dave docwra:
Is the cab not Pegaso?
The CABTEC cab was a joint project set up by DAF & PEGASO. They only found one other customer which was SEDDON ATKINSON
DAF Cabtec made their cabs in Westerlo while Pegaso and Seddon Atkinson were built in Cabtec Madrid.
Cabtec became owned by IVECO and Westerlo carried on with the DAF 95, 85 and 75 series
One aspect that popped to mind and made me sorry for those concerned is that most times people are made redundant they can find a similar job elsewhere in same industry. Many of these will have sailed for the last time which must be hard as I imagine for some it’s like this job, becomes your life almost
wakou:
ETS:
I don’t know. Are you boycotting all the companies that sell underpriced products courtesy of questionable workplace practicies or every single company who has moved their entire production overseas (capital, jobs, taxes - everything) but continues to import and sell their products here? ALso pretty sure it’s not up to the driver to chose which ferry co they get to cross withIt is difficult, but I try… Amazon, Dyson, Starbucks, (and Sky, The Sun, The Daily Mail etc. )
And the driver can refuse, or at least make his feelings clear to whoever is doing the booking. And with the support of his or her Trade Union could absolutely refuse.
On what grounds could the driver refuse with union backing?
switchlogic:
One aspect that popped to mind and made me sorry for those concerned is that most times people are made redundant they can find a similar job elsewhere in same industry. Many of these will have sailed for the last time which must be hard as I imagine for some it’s like this job, becomes your life almost
Most of those now would be of an age where they knew the race to the bottom nature of the merchant navy labour market.Its nothing new it goes back at least one generation.
Having said that there are only certain specific trades which are ship related.
While others like catering and retail jobs can be recreated onshore with no big difference.
While it’s still possible to find opportunities in the other trades in the long haul deep sea container bulker or car carrier cruise ship sectors.
Prossibly more interesting work for the lifestyle with good shift patterns like 2 months on 1 or 2 months off.
Always liked P&O out of Liverpool when crossing to Ireland socially. The free food and 8hr crossing fitted with my journey better than the 3-4hr crossing out of Holyhead. Used to get a cabin and treat it like a floating hotel, waking up ready to go.
It’s gotten worse over time though. Firstly the stopped accepting dogs, meaning when I took my pets I had to use Holyhead. Then they cut the night crossing, meaning sleeping during the day. If they do away with the free food, like Duncan Bannatyne, I’m out…
LazyDriver:
Always liked P&O out of Liverpool when crossing to Ireland socially. The free food and 8hr crossing fitted with my journey better than the 3-4hr crossing out of Holyhead. Used to get a cabin and treat it like a floating hotel, waking up ready to go.
It’s gotten worse over time though. Firstly the stopped accepting dogs, meaning when I took my pets I had to use Holyhead. Then they cut the night crossing, meaning sleeping during the day. If they do away with the free food, like Duncan Bannatyne, I’m out…
Liverpool Dublin still has an overnight crossing
Carryfast:
Having said that there are only certain specific trades which are ship related.
While others like catering and retail jobs can be recreated onshore with no big difference.
Ah yes because working in a corner shop is exactly like working and living on a ferry. Be like someone telling you parcel delivery is no different to night trunking 
For many it’s a lifestyle
P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550
switchlogic:
LazyDriver:
Always liked P&O out of Liverpool when crossing to Ireland socially. The free food and 8hr crossing fitted with my journey better than the 3-4hr crossing out of Holyhead. Used to get a cabin and treat it like a floating hotel, waking up ready to go.
It’s gotten worse over time though. Firstly the stopped accepting dogs, meaning when I took my pets I had to use Holyhead. Then they cut the night crossing, meaning sleeping during the day. If they do away with the free food, like Duncan Bannatyne, I’m out…Liverpool Dublin still has an overnight crossing
Really? Every time i go to book, it only gives me a 9am option.
LazyDriver:
switchlogic:
LazyDriver:
Always liked P&O out of Liverpool when crossing to Ireland socially. The free food and 8hr crossing fitted with my journey better than the 3-4hr crossing out of Holyhead. Used to get a cabin and treat it like a floating hotel, waking up ready to go.
It’s gotten worse over time though. Firstly the stopped accepting dogs, meaning when I took my pets I had to use Holyhead. Then they cut the night crossing, meaning sleeping during the day. If they do away with the free food, like Duncan Bannatyne, I’m out…Liverpool Dublin still has an overnight crossing
Really? Every time i go to book, it only gives me a 9am option.
Limited capacity at night for private vehicles due to the freight demand less freight demand during the day so they push the private vehicles onto the day sailing
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Having said that there are only certain specific trades which are ship related.
While others like catering and retail jobs can be recreated onshore with no big difference.Ah yes because working in a corner shop is exactly like working and living on a ferry. Be like someone telling you parcel delivery is no different to night trunking
The retail and catering type of jobs on ferries are obviously more of an onshore related type of job which won’t generally be found in other sectors of the shipping industry.With the exception of passenger/cruise ships.
It’s only really the jobs of deck hand, engineering, and ship’s officers that can be considered as being specific to the ‘lifestyle’ and therefore transferrable within the industry.
Although my bet is that,
like being typecast by working in the least ‘interesting’ sectors of the road transport industry,
working on local ferries would be more of a hindrance than a help on the CV when applying for a job in the deep sea container, bulker, or car carrier sectors.
Lifestyle indeed.
blue estate:
P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550
More misery .
Stena won’t ship / don’t want to ship unaccompanied trailers on the Cairnryan - Belfast route . That meant last week I lost 4-5 hours a day either on boats or waiting for boats . Then add in the fact that prices have gone up and the boats are running late because they are not sailing until they are rammed full and you can see the mess this is . I normally ship out on a Monday morning from Larne to Cairnryan with a load for Scotland / Northern England tip it , reload and then back to Cairnryan to ship the trailer home , lift one that has been shipped out and so on to a Friday when I catch boat home , usually about 2500- 3000kms a week . last week I had to start early 11.30 Stenna on Sunday just to get out , tipped and loaded on Monday , when I arrived back to Stenna I had to ship back in to Belfast just to swap trailers and then next boat I could get on was the 07.30 Tuesday . Same again on Wednesday so worked round Northern Ireland on Thursday and Friday . Total kms for the week - 1900 .
Where are the mighty unions on this ? Should the country not be on strike ? Or is it the case that as usual they are talking but actually doing nothing about it ? Is this not workers rights ? unfair dismissal , failure to negotiate redundancies ? The inaction of the Unions on this tells its own story .
Carryfast:
The retail and catering type of jobs on ferries are obviously more of an onshore related type of job which won’t generally be found in other sectors of the shipping industry.With the exception of passenger/cruise ships.
If you ever travelled on the HSS ferries you will have experienced "off boat catering " .Food and meals were prepared off site , put in a 20 foot container , taken to the boat and hoisted on board were they were reheated and served . Stenna food still hasn’t recovered from the reputation that got them and the HSS have been laid up / sold / scrapped about 15 years ago .
beefy4605:
blue estate:
P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550More misery .
Stena won’t ship / don’t want to ship unaccompanied trailers on the Cairnryan - Belfast route . That meant last week I lost 4-5 hours a day either on boats or waiting for boats . Then add in the fact that prices have gone up and the boats are running late because they are not sailing until they are rammed full and you can see the mess this is . I normally ship out on a Monday morning from Larne to Cairnryan with a load for Scotland / Northern England tip it , reload and then back to Cairnryan to ship the trailer home , lift one that has been shipped out and so on to a Friday when I catch boat home , usually about 2500- 3000kms a week . last week I had to start early 11.30 Stenna on Sunday just to get out , tipped and loaded on Monday , when I arrived back to Stenna I had to ship back in to Belfast just to swap trailers and then next boat I could get on was the 07.30 Tuesday . Same again on Wednesday so worked round Northern Ireland on Thursday and Friday . Total kms for the week - 1900 .Where are the mighty unions on this ? Should the country not be on strike ? Or is it the case that as usual they are talking but actually doing nothing about it ? Is this not workers rights ? unfair dismissal , failure to negotiate redundancies ? The inaction of the Unions on this tells its own story .
RMT are only interested in their railway members at SWT and Govia theams link
beefy4605:
blue estate:
P&O Ferries ship detained over crew training concerns bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550More misery .
Stena won’t ship / don’t want to ship unaccompanied trailers on the Cairnryan - Belfast route . That meant last week I lost 4-5 hours a day either on boats or waiting for boats . Then add in the fact that prices have gone up and the boats are running late because they are not sailing until they are rammed full and you can see the mess this is . I normally ship out on a Monday morning from Larne to Cairnryan with a load for Scotland / Northern England tip it , reload and then back to Cairnryan to ship the trailer home , lift one that has been shipped out and so on to a Friday when I catch boat home , usually about 2500- 3000kms a week . last week I had to start early 11.30 Stenna on Sunday just to get out , tipped and loaded on Monday , when I arrived back to Stenna I had to ship back in to Belfast just to swap trailers and then next boat I could get on was the 07.30 Tuesday . Same again on Wednesday so worked round Northern Ireland on Thursday and Friday . Total kms for the week - 1900 .Where are the mighty unions on this ? Should the country not be on strike ? Or is it the case that as usual they are talking but actually doing nothing about it ? Is this not workers rights ? unfair dismissal , failure to negotiate redundancies ? The inaction of the Unions on this tells its own story .
The ‘inaction of the unions’ goes back decades to when the working classes bought the militancy, including in this case secondary action, is bad narrative.
Unions are only as strong as the level of solidarity and supportive action across all sectors.
In this case that means ASLEF and RMT calling a national rail strike in support.
Also Unite stopping road transport where possible.
Which they could have done before the working class bought Thatcher’s bribe of a free council house at the expense of those paying for their own.
This is the result unions which aren’t fit for purpose.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Having said that there are only certain specific trades which are ship related.
While others like catering and retail jobs can be recreated onshore with no big difference.Ah yes because working in a corner shop is exactly like working and living on a ferry. Be like someone telling you parcel delivery is no different to night trunking
The retail and catering type of jobs on ferries are obviously more of an onshore related type of job which won’t generally be found in other sectors of the shipping industry.With the exception of passenger/cruise ships.
It’s only really the jobs of deck hand, engineering, and ship’s officers that can be considered as being specific to the ‘lifestyle’ and therefore transferrable within the industry.
Although my bet is that,
like being typecast by working in the least ‘interesting’ sectors of the road transport industry,
working on local ferries would be more of a hindrance than a help on the CV when applying for a job in the deep sea container, bulker, or car carrier sectors.
Lifestyle indeed.
Your ignorance is showing again old bean.
LazyDriver:
switchlogic:
LazyDriver:
Always liked P&O out of Liverpool when crossing to Ireland socially. The free food and 8hr crossing fitted with my journey better than the 3-4hr crossing out of Holyhead. Used to get a cabin and treat it like a floating hotel, waking up ready to go.
It’s gotten worse over time though. Firstly the stopped accepting dogs, meaning when I took my pets I had to use Holyhead. Then they cut the night crossing, meaning sleeping during the day. If they do away with the free food, like Duncan Bannatyne, I’m out…Liverpool Dublin still has an overnight crossing
Really? Every time i go to book, it only gives me a 9am option.
Are you a freight or passenger customer? Possibly only freight these days. Only took a handful of cars anyway at best of times as you’ll know. Maybe they binned them off for some reason. The overnight boat is incredibly busy for freight. Often unless you’re working for a larger company who block books getting a space can be hard
beefy4605:
Carryfast:
The retail and catering type of jobs on ferries are obviously more of an onshore related type of job which won’t generally be found in other sectors of the shipping industry.With the exception of passenger/cruise ships.If you ever travelled on the HSS ferries you will have experienced "off boat catering " .Food and meals were prepared off site , put in a 20 foot container , taken to the boat and hoisted on board were they were reheated and served . Stenna food still hasn’t recovered from the reputation that got them and the HSS have been laid up / sold / scrapped about 15 years ago .
I’ve always avoided the High Speed Cat things.Like hovercraft no good in anything but a flat calm sea and not enough time to sit and eat and drink and then have sit out on deck and then do some shopping at best.Which sort of defeats the object.
It’s difficult to go from Sicily to Malta without having to use the things and one of the main reasons why haven’t bothered going there so far.
I’m done with Dover/Calais anyway.
I’ll try to use Portsmouth Caen etc and it’s less of a trek back across to Eastern France than I’d always thought it was from there and the A3 is much better for me than going to Dover now that the Kent routes are a basket case and I’ve always enjoyed sea travel.
So no downside for me.
blue estate:
RMT are only interested in their railway members at SWT and Govia theams link
Moot when the working class themselves voted like turkeys voting for Christmas by swallowing the militancy is bad narrative.
So RMT couldn’t call rail workers out in sympathy now even if they wanted to.