Political discussions...

Let me explain…
It was humour…
Whether or not YOU find it funny is irrelavent.

Too many words for you again?
Ok.

A joke suck it up.

To be fair, some of you stuff is very funny though. :grinning_face:
I loved this one from yesterday.

Trump looking out for…us…!
Brilliant :grinning_face:

as we are all buddies with the eu again can we get the germans to fit the showers in these new homes for migrants?

Yeah ok… but that would only work for you if I had actually said that.:thinking:
Where as THIS is what I said…including the inverted commas on the word ‘‘concern’’
I’ll help ya…

No…didn’t say it…sorry.
Nice try, but try again.

You know, lately mate you excel even yourself as coming across on here as a bit of a prick.:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

No comments on Rayner crawling around the arses of the Moslem fraternity I notice, in a Starmer/Macron stylee…too uncomfortable for ya?

“Crawling around the arses of…”
You are a parody of yourself.

So here is it all.

  1. “Meanwhile the US has warned Starmer’s clown crew about alowing a Chinese embassy building close to Sensitive UK infrastructure in fear of potential espionage activities…the Tories cautiously binned the idea previously it was reported”.
    I do not give a toss what Trump says. If the UK security services “OK” the plans then fine. If the UK security services say “No” then block it.
    It is that simple. Tell me that the UK services are against it and I would agree with them.

  2. “Previously the US also showed ‘concern’ for the UK on the gradual erosion of free speech, after people are in prison for gobbing off on FB due to Starmer and his 2 tier policies.”
    Yep, you have put the concern in inverted commas. No one in their right mind would possibly think that Trump cares about the UK.
    That is why I found it so funny.

  3. “Some may interpret it as Trump sticking his nose in, I for one am all for it, at least somebody has our interests at heart, whatever the motives may or may not be.”
    Again. Hilarious. Well done. But on this occasion you left out any inverts?
    You have spoken many times about other countries and individuals interfering in the affairs of others. Yet here, mimicking a full on, brass necked, hypocrite you make a 180 handbrake turn and praise it! Especially since it is Trump who, as we all know, has the slogan “America First” and has never even pretended to care about anyone else. To be honest, I very much doubt he cares about 99% of Americans.
    And to highlight the phrase “whatever the motive might be” …?
    What? So you would welcome the interference even if you knew it was for bad motives?
    Brilliant. :grinning_face:

  4. “On the other hand I seem to remember Starmer’s crew sticking their fat snouts in the US elections to scupper Trump’s plans…that went well eh?”
    The Labour people were there to aid the Democrat machine, yes.
    Just as the Tories have had party members in the US helping Republicans.
    Anyone else who we know? Oh yes! St Nigel of Florida was a frequent visitor wasn’t he?
    Stuffing envelopes and operating the copi…No? Oh, making speeches, wasn’t it.
    I guess you equally think that he should have kept his fat snout out of it?

bull shirt you would… the uk services warn against the illegals but you wont listen to that

even though you quoted the comment about rayner et al just the usual lefty rubbish the poster but to be fair you did manage to post 12 characters on it. yet against trump 2220 characters.

are you worried that britain will follow suit and deport all your pedo mates?

Ooooh !! The absolute irony of that one …from YOU of all people :flushed_face::joy::joy:
Your quote of the year so far.

Well judging by your bullet point responses (and the tone of them :joy:) to my post about the US (and in fact Rayner :joy:) it looks like I was bang on the button with that one eh? :joy::joy:

It was all there,… the seething hatred, the spite, the sarcasm the frustration at the uneasy truth…just all trademark loony lefty responses to criticism, and points made that you/they don’t agree with…:joy:
You are slipping…you missed the ‘‘ist’’ labelling there.

And then the absolute piece de resistance, …YOU accuse ME of becoming a parody of MYself…:joy::joy:
( Hang on…Wait to I console myself with chokes of laughter for a minute…there ya go.)

You just show yourself up to what you really are at every post you make mate.:joy:

Well you didn t agree as ever with the Tories when they knocked it back…presumably slmost certainly after advice from the security services I would bet.

Of course he dosent he’s a raving mad assed Lefty.
‘‘Refugees welcome here’’ and all that.

Yes I say that.
And so have you.

I have also said repeatedly that illegal immigrants should be sorted out from genuine refugees ASAP and the illegals deported.

Hope you don’t lay too much in stake money.
Here is an article saying that the Tower Hamlets Council had refused planning permission.
“An emergency strategic development committee this week voted unanimously to reject the application following strong opposition from local residents and community groups”.
No mention of Stella Rimington raising her eyebrows.
Chinese Embassy: council rejects officers’ advice and refuses plans again - Construction Management.

Ok…I stand corrected…
Turns out I am wrong on that one…

(Never been afraid or embarrased to admit I was wrong btw…it shows true character, and it’s better than blagging it out by digging deeper holes instead…as some repeatedly do on here.:thinking:)

So no big deal eh?

and have repeatedly been shown that the genuine ones come here legally not on rubber dinghies.

Ok let’s both cut the crap between us for a minute shall we?
(or not if you like btw,… up to you not fussed either way)

Being that we are both at the direct opposite end of the political spectrum, hence our views on these illegals..
What in your opinion is the ratio between genuine bonafide refugees seeking help and asylum , and economic migrants here for just what the hell they can get off us free?

Not trying to catch you out or lead you into some kind of petty trap…it’s a genuine question

So I’ll start…
You know my views on it so judging from what I see around here, ie mostly young fit men in designer gear, making absolute nuisances of themselves, and tbf as well as the other ones keeping a low profile, I see them as the vast majority.
Maybe the ‘‘low profile ones’’ are genuine…who knows

My mate who used to do security at the hotel reckons most of those guys are freeloaders, with a smaller percentage on the run from The Taliban Afghan, some who were atattched to the Allied forces out there …*he is ex Forces and served there btw.)

He also told me that there had been a few families and one or two women but an extremely small minority of women.
Apparentlly lone women stand a chance of being sex trafficked during their journey from ME to France…he also told me of rumours of organ harvesting ffs :flushed_face:.. as they call it.

So my educated guess from what I have seen and been told by somebody first hand involved, I would guess 80% (ish) non refugee.

So over to you…if you come back with a much smaller ratio against, I aint going to go down the route of ridicule etc…
As you keep telling me…'‘reason for a forum’'etc etc.

im not calling you or your mate a fibber. But how come it has taken them over 3 years to come here. there were forces still there after the fall of kabul. So they must of chosen to stay… now they come here with out their wives and children saying they are being persecuted. If they were special forces they would have means of contacting people outside the area and getting help for all their family not just running off themselves.

i posted this before about the age range of illegals…

The dumbest C of the E ever ffs give the job to Diane Abbott, or to quote John McEnroe “You cannot be serious”.

Yeah I see what you mean.
Tbf it would be maybe last year when he jacked the hotel in, after it closed when they moved them on, I’ve heard they are about to re.open (or re ‘comandeer’ it shortly :roll_eyes:)

Afaik he’s doing some other tyoe of security work abroad at the moment,.I aint seen him for a while now.
I’d assume he was being non specific on time lines and speaking generally mate I don’t really know tbh.

Tbf mate I think they are all out of their depth and just blagging it.

The commies are turning Kent into Camden.Show a Socialist green fields and orchards he sees it as an inner city urban crap hole full of immigrants.

Yes.

I want illegal immigrants deported ASAP.
It really is better if we try to use the correct terms for /immigrants/ legal and illegal/ asylum seekers/refugees/ irregular migrants.
If you want to use different terms, that is up to you, but I may end up interpreting them in the wrong way, but that is not deliberate.

We can agree that genuine asylum seekers deserve help? Yes, I am sure as you have said so. I too do not want queue jumpers and the like here.

How many are genuine today? We know that now most are accepted, and that has been so for several years. (actually the Blair Gov rejected more than half of asylum claims it is not a left/right thing)
I have no insight as to how many fake claimants get in. I have no insight as to how many genuine claimants are refused.
I don’t know.
I do know that the process is carried out by people who are trained to look for evidence and have more information at their disposal than I have.

I expect your mate knows more than me.
But I expect he knows less than those who liaise with the Home Office, the Police, Border Force etc. Those who interview the applicants and know the criteria about who is and isn’t a refugee.
If I want to know about a transport company, drivers might have some interesting tit-bits, but I would listen to to a qualified accountant before listening to the likes of thee’n’me.

So I take on trust the experts who decide that currently, and indeed under the rather more right wing gov with Patel and Braverman as Home Sec, the majority are genuine.

Currently about 25% of applicants are female. That may be different where your mate works.

Yep. So that explains why some men leave their families behind and try to gain asylum here before trying to bring their more vulnerable close family all the way here.

I would ask how you arrive at that educated guess? What info do you have? What checks have you made about the claims of asylum seekers?

If they are young blokes in “designer gear” does that prove anything? I would have a guess that most of that gear is cheap knock-off stuff with fake labels anyway! N Africa etc markets are awash with such like.

Cough…Kwarteng…Cough…

Fantasy…You think that those who aided the UK forces could just wander past the Taliban and say “S’cuse me, but I want to get to see my buddies so I can escape from you” or “Please give me a passport so I can run away” ?

Fantasy… What would they do? Use the www? Write a letter? Make a call on their Bat-Phones?