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Let’s hope we can get rid of pyjama judges, these are judges in Europe that are on the end of the telephone line for a last minute telephone call to issue a last minute executive order or law.

The expression is derived as it’s mostly late at night for the call and the choice of clothing could be pyjamas.

A very hot topic is the ECHR, is this law no longer fit for purpose?

And ONE of the biggest hold backs for this country.
Afaik Churchill was one of the organisers of this after the war when very few if any people had access to legal help.
It served it’s purpose but it has developed into having too much power and coming up with mad assed verdicts,.(usually serving the Left) like chicken nuggets and PTSD after covid ffs, to prevent sending illegal entrants to our country back.
We need a Trump type character or organisation in it s place,.who do not succumb to woke b/s but take a hard line putting the intetests and security of our country first and foremost.
Yet another example of the Leftist type cancer ruining us.

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You see me defending Islam because you are attacking Islam.

I am correcting the misapprehensions (there is diplomacy for you) you and others have about Islam and about the murderer and about the religion. Just as I correct the misapprehensions you and others have about the EU and Brexit.

If you were not spreading ■■■■■■■■ I would be here telling you, you are talking ■■■■■■■■.

I do not see myself as a defender of Islam as a religion.
I do see you and others spreading hate and misinformation, in this case against Islam.
I do not think that is the way Great Britain should be and I call out your lies.

If you were telling the same lies about Shinto, or Hinduism ,or Christianity, I would defend them against your views in the same way. I am standing up for any one religion. I am calling out ■■■■■■■■.

Yep. That is my personal suspicion.
Not mentally ill, acting in full knowledge of his own actions, and the consequences.

Converted by whom? When?
There is about as much evidence to support that as there is to support him being a Christian fundamentalist or a Nazi or anything else.

What facts are missing then?
On one hand we can never be sure that we know 100% of every little detail, but what did the Police miss?
In the real world we do not know every thing about someone, and certainly not what goes on their mind.

That we do not have a nice easy to understand motive for the murders is not comfortable.
But to look for scapegoats (as you look at Islam) to explain away a difficult situation is plain wrong.

That is true.
But I would have a bet that if he had, it would have been all over the media in half a second.

If he had not visited a mosque where and when would he have been radicalised? The Police went through all his online stuff and found zip that I can see.

:joy::joy::joy: oh the hubris!

The ECHR definitely needs modernisation.

Attacking? …please yourself.
If I am attacking, it is in the same way I would attack any religion.
In my view ALL religion is primitive bull sh, that causes more trouble than good.
And especially if in my view is that religion in this case is the catalyst to the brutal slaughter of kids the same age as my little grand daughters…which I do.
That is the issue here I focus on , not defending some piece of scum as you appear to beby making excuses for him and refusing to see an alternative pov

Oh ffs you even shoehorn Brexit into this sensitive subject…give it a rest man.you are a Brexit Bore.
And btw I have NO * misaprehensions* about the Brexit or the EU.
:roll_eyes:

Yep well to be fair you are an expert in that field yourself as you constantly demonstrate on here.

:joy::joy:…So many possible retorts to THAT little gem coming from you of all people.:joy:

:flushed_face: Oh so I’m a LIAR now as well eh… :joy:
Your bravery is legendary mate…would you call me that to my face in your ‘’‘Fox and Grapes’’ pub? …not a chance…

Ooh what a hero.
All primitive total b/s defended by a brainwashed idiot…(and yes I WOULD say it to your face in a heartbeat.)

The usual closed mind to anything non official narrative based.

How tf do I know, I am making a judgement from what I see hear and perceive…not from what I am told to believe.

Not true…your interpretation pertaining to your agenda and the agenda of your political masters.

I have just wasted 20 mins of my life responding to your brainwashed servile crap…what was the point.
I could have done it, and wrote it off in two familiar and very apt words.
‘‘USEFUL IDIOT’’.
:roll_eyes:

Full impressive marks for the use of that one mate…seriously. :+1::grin:
I’ve got to admit I had to google it.:joy:

Look out for me using it in future.:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Nah it just needs kept in Europe.
It’s ineptitude and incompetence fits in just nicely with the EU.:joy:

These are the type of politicians we need in power, not the mamby pamby limp wristed woke clowns we have now.
People who take no sh, and who say things as they ARE… and to hell with the offended snowflakes

Got to say though his punch reaction technique needs a bit of work for a big bloke…that was the kind of slap you get from a drunken woman.:joy:

Got to get all these in before I go to Spoons for breakfast before the game.:joy:…I’m a busy man.:grin:

More EU cosying up by Starmer…re entry through the back doors…ohh err Mrs :joy:

Here’s Nigel (my hero ) Farages view on the latest affront to democracy under the guise of ‘doing good for the country’ by these 'kin pro EU clowns.

But you are not.
You do not say “he murdered because of religion.”
You say “he murdered because of Islam”

And you say in spite of there being no evidence that he was influenced by Islam, nor any other religion, nor any political group.

Yes I can see that is “your view”.
I cannot see anywhere, that there is any evidence to support that view.
I have repeatedly asked for some and received none.

karen-offa-facebook put out a video last year saying the murders were the work of a Muslim and the truth still has not reached you has it.

Best that we never ever meet in your Fox and Grapes pub mate, you are the most deluded and annoying individual I know of, and it would not end well.:roll_eyes:

I aint heard of many terrorist atrocities commited in the name of any other religion lately,…have you? …So a fair analysis and assumption I would say, especiallly with it having the trademark features as pointed out to you by someone else., and with this piece of sh studying Al Qaeda manuals…unless they are Buddhists if course in your warped mind.

:joy:
You really are a weapons grade bell end mate.:joy:

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself for even speaking up for in any way, and jumping to the defence of this animal.
It shows you up to what you really are.
Shame on you.

That same lie.
Where have I said anything in defence of the murderer?

The same false narrative.
Were the murders “committed in the name of” any religion?

Why do you keep repeating the same nonsense?

Apparently the murderer had a PDF of a military report of an al-Quada manual. Yes.
He also had stuff about Nazis and Rwandan genocide, Mau Mau, Genghis Khan, Korean war. Ukraine war, etc etc

You are cherry picking on one detail that fits your narrative, but ignoring everything else.

One thing and you make a mountain from it.

Yep ok …whatever you say.

Bored with your obtuse for effect drivel…(especially after a couple of pints where my zero tolearance towards d/heads usually kicks in.)

So.

2 syllables/3 F.s
Bye for now .
:roll_eyes:

i could be wrong but i think its being discussed this week to be implemented in the future some time.

thing is though it doesnt solve the problem and is nothing new. we already have laws that say if you break the law your out. However they are never implemented and if they are it gets taken to caught and they win on some lefty excuse about not being able to see their family or some such crap. Even if they are thrown out they just come back again. there was some ee drug dealer in the papers the other week. He has been thrown out the country 4 times.

these laws dont address the real issue which is to stop the buggers coming here in the first place

OMG :joy:…I absolutely love this one.

So Reform not only rightly want to get us to hell out of the clutches of the ECHR, then sling all the scrounging freeloaders out on their arses out of their 4 star hotels..but also…

wait for it…

Dump them on the lefty Lib Dem and Green areas.:smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
Brilliant :joy:

They all like to gob off how much they support them, how welcome they are here, wielding their placards…(but stop short of offering them a room when pinned down, needless to say) so this is their chance to provide them with an area to live.

Warning to @Franglais
Your present situation of living in a cocooned area where you never see (especially when wearing your blinkers) the negative effects of these creatures is now coming to an end.:flushed_face:

Lock up your female relatives (and your doors) and stand by for the sudden crime wave…from your ‘‘doctors and solicitors’’,…and ‘‘young families’’ who ‘‘enhance our society’’.:joy::joy:

Welcome to the ‘‘Real World’’ at last, where you will have to put up with all the sh that the rest of us have had to.:joy:

Oh God I would love it if he had a crowd of beligerant cocky feral young men with no resoect to anybody or anything, rock upon his street.:joy::joy:

If you Googled ‘‘Poetic Justice’’ or ‘‘Ironic Scenarios’’ this post would come up.:joy::joy:

Ok I know it’s probably a bit TIC…but Jeezus, IF ONLY.:joy:

You sir are a clown. Grow up.

The great lengths you are going too here to defend stuff like this is one of the reasons we have such a problem with radical Islam here in the UK, we still have a section of society on the left who sticks their fingers in their ears going la la la la nothing to see here. All the while we sit back and watch yet another attack on innocent people.

Everything about Southport bears the hallmarks of an Islamic terror attack. You can choose to be blind to that if you want and believe what you are told by your masters, who lets face it have a reason why they wouldn’t want the truth being exposed or be seen to rock the boat. But do not forget that innocent little children were the victims here, killed in the most vile inhumane way.

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself for defending the blatant cover up and parroting what those in power want putting out there.

“defend”/? What on earth are you on about?
What am I defending?

Really what are all these hallmarks?
The Islamic message pushed by the murderer? None.
The meassage given by his group? None.
Did he go to a radical or indeed any mosque? No.
Radical Islamist literature? He had a stuff from a al-Quada terror manual. He also had stuff about Nazism and other stuff related to mass violence.

Was the murderer a Muslim? No.

What cover up?
What is being hidden?
What do you know that we don’t?

what ever i dont like people that think ■■■■ is ok