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So, despite coming from a family of Christian evangelicals Rudicube developed a fascination with Islam and Rwandan genocide, a copy of the Quran was found in his bedroom along with other stuff obviously. So I’m gonna take a wild punt here and guess that Buddhism, Sikhism, Shintoism or any other ism save Islamism were his chief drivers here.

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Yes REALLY !! :flushed_face::flushed_face:

(But seeing as it’s you…not at all surprisingly)

Just read this on a Faceache group and thought it summed things up nicely….

Sir Keir Starmer has issued a ceasefire ultimatum to Vladimir Putin. Yes, really. That’ll have the old KGB man quaking—being scolded by a London human rights lawyer who can’t even deport a single Albanian drug dealer without bursting into an apology. The same bloke who lets dinghies full of fighting-age men wash up on our shores daily is now playing Temu Churchill. God help us.

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Don’t be so harsh on him mate. It’s easy to be misunderstood. I’ve just clocked his new social meeja profile :+1:

Interesting that you show that article. Chief constable says she was told not to reveal Rudakubana's faith

Chief Constable Kennedy wanted to tell the press ASAP that the murderer was not a Muslim to counter the false information that had resulted in Mosques being attacked etc., but a CPS official vetoed the idea.

He was not a Muslim. The article you linked makes that quite plain.

Did he have a Quran in his room? I see no mention of that.
He did have an al -Qaeda training manual, plus loads of other stuff from different sources.
He
–“watched graphic videos of murders and was “absolutely obsessed” with violence and genocide, including the Rwandan genocide, Adolf Hitler and Genghis Khan.[45] On his devices were found media relating to violent themes such as the Mau Mau rebellion; “clan cleansing” in Somalia; punishments against slaves; and wars including the Gaza–Israel conflict, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Sudanese civil war, the Korean War, the Iraq War, and the Balkan Wars.[73][74][63] Graphic images of dead bodies, victims of torture and beheadings; and cartoons depicting killing, violence and ■■■■, or which insulted or mocked different religions – including Islam, Judaism and Christianity – were also found on his devices”

He was obsessed with violence from many places.

Well you can have as many “wild punts” as you like, but don’t start confusing them with anything resembling reality.

This is somewhat akin to persuading a recalcitrant child to eat that pesky Brussel sprout!

So let’s start with basics shall we? All zealots no matter what persuasion are suffering from a mental illness, can we agree on that? Or do you think differently?

Do you agree that Rubickcube has a mental illness? Good, that’s established then. So let’s extrapolate this shall we? Rubik murdered a number of children and attempted the murder of many more, with me so far?

What do you personally think was his main influence in this act? Voices from the ether perhaps, or the teachings of that stone aged book?

Seriously, take your time, think this through and please try to deny that his actions had anything whatsoever to do with the documented peado and goat botherer Alllah

A dog born in a stable isn’t a horse. You’re splitting hairs for the sake of it (as is your wont).

Who says he is a zealot?
What? A mental illness? That means they can “cop a plea” of insanity under the law?
No, I do not agree.

Evidently he did. He knew what he was doing, he planned, and carried out the crime.

I am not a psychologist. I do not know.
But I will speculate a little.

The stone aged book? The bible?
The Quran? The one he did not own? I doubt that.

Since there is no report of him ever entering a Mosque, nor of having a Koran, I doubt he went from Christian Church going choirboy to Islamic zealot in a short time.

I guess that he was one of those sickos who is obsessed with violence for it’s own sake.
No need to go and find any religious, or political, or nationalistic, “excuse” for some people. They are just plain violent for it’s own sake.

Can I deny that his actions were due to any one influence? No, of course I can’t.
If I do not know what his reasons were, so can rule nothing out.

Certainty is for the religious and the zealots.

Care to explain that please?
I could have a “wild punt” about what you mean, but let’s not get at cross purposes.

I feel another ‘‘racist’’ accusation coming on here.:joy:

The go to default by these clowns if anybody DARES to go against…what’s the pc term?
‘‘A person of colour’’ ?
(although I was dubbed racist for going against certain WHITE people :joy::joy:)
… or against a certain (peaceful :joy:) religion .
(A double whammy for me there also btw.:joy: white people with radical Islamic views…you aint supposed to dislike them because of it…apparentlly.

Franglais actually personifies what has gone wrong with our country, due to the prominent influence of clowns from the left just like him,.and the strong influence they now have on society as a whole.

As I said I personally take it as a compliment now if someone pulls me up for speaking my mind…(although nobody has dared to in REAL life, only from behind the safety, surity, confidence and anonimity from a keyboard so far.:joy:)

Let’s take the heat off Franglais for a minute, even he is finding it a bit of an uphill struggle to defend and justify the official narrative in this case.:joy:
Let s give him a bit of time to come up with some official stats and links.:joy:

So let’s get back to my biggest annoyance for a minute…
‘‘The irregulars in their hostels’’
Or as we all know it …The criminal scrounging scum languishing in luxury compared to our own homeless.

let em in it doesnt matter if they ■■■■ and murder children apparently they are all innocent and welsh choir boys. Page after page of crap about boris but all this ■■■■ is ok its only the far right that complains.

hopefully it wont be long till some on here find out what far right is

The guy had an Al-Qaeda training manual, he practically beheaded one of the poor little girls, another was stabbed over 70 times. Actions and atrocities like this are done by radical Islamist extremists and are done for maximum effect and shock. I know that’s an uncomfortable thing for you to comprehend or admit. But then again no-one expects anything less of you.

They covered up the motivations of the scum that killed those poor innocent children. Knowing a full admission that this was yet another radical Islamist terrorist attack that we’ve unfortunately got used to would case civil unrest, they decided to try and paint him as some Welsh choir boy.

I don’t recall hearing about any Buddhism, Sikhism, Jewish or Christian psychopaths going out and attacking innocent members of the public.

I can’t for the life of me think who this poor deluded woman reminds me of.:thinking:
Refusing to refer to these scum as ‘‘illegal’’ refusing to see how fleeing France is a legitimate asylum claim.

The funniest quote is at 3. 54. ..‘‘Failing to recognise the positive contribution they bring to this country’’ :joy::joy:
These characters live among us.

Yes, but it is not only Islamic extremists who kill in nasty ways for effect.

What do other religious or terrorist killers do?
Call out religious phrases. Make videos beforehand to spread their message. Use their trial as a platform for their cause.
They use killing as way to get publicity.

This is not the case here.
An “Islamic terrorist” with no Quran, who never went to any Mosque, who never had any contact with any extremist groups? Really?

Looks to me like the murderer is a “nutter”. (I won’t say insane as that would let him off the hook in a sense)
Looks to me like he wanted to kill either for the sake of killing itself. Or to get publicity for himself.
He did not use his crime as a way to further any religion or other cause.

Nonsense.
You are just repeating that this was a religious attack but providing no evidence for it.

If there was evidence out there would those who have all be quiet about it? Where are the whistle blowers who have the religious link?

Wtf are you on exactly here mate?:roll_eyes:

Why are you sermingly on a one man mission to defend Islam?

What is your true agenda here…

Is it that it is totally against all your warped political princples to go against antything you are told to subscribe to by the govt (only a one you support btw) and you feel you are letting the side dowm if you show any slight disbelief.

This govt is well known for defending and favouring anything Islam related, …Do you HAVE to be a political sheep in your ‘useful idiot’ role on everything…no matter how offensive it comes across by defending this piece of scum in a very raw and sensitive subject?

Or thr other options of course could be just arguing for the sake of it , or of course one big wind up.

Fact is this individual COULD just be one downright evil s.o.b. (that really should be put down and incinerated) …ie not normal,.. ie MENTAL issues’’ seems to be the buzz words for it now.

IF that was the case and an official diagnosis was formed, he would be in Broadmoor in a luxury cell faster thsn you could say ’ ‘‘Mental Health’’'… the lefty do gooders in authority would see to that.
Do you not accept that either in your deliberate obtuse ways.

On the other hand he COULD be a lone converted radical Islamist.
Don’t give me all your usual.self righteous bull crap about ‘‘I need evidence’’, you do not know if he has visited a mosque or not, and wtf does it matter in the grand scheme of things if he has or not.

None of us know the true facts…because in my view the govt is covering them up to prevent a total sh storm kicking off.

So shut the f up trying to be obtuse,.clever and superior,.and at least admit he at least thathe COULD may well be an Islsmist on a one man terror spree (as said the particular type methods point to it) and for a change without adding the ususl smart arse sarcastic type caveat of …
‘Yeah he also COULD be a f. kin leprechaun’’ ,
or something equally as pompous.

Ffs get off your superior high horse man you are coming across as embarrasing.to even yourself now because of it.

Looks like Reform has these inept lefty idiots running scared after all…:joy::joy:

A slight movement to the right after at last realising at long last how out of touch they are with most British people?

OR

The same old Labour style ‘‘Smash the gangs’’ type soundbite spin and b/s for effect, with no real substance.?

No mention of the main bone of contention the stopping of illegal economic imigrants posing as refugees.and the obscene cost to us keep them in luxury…A step too far for them I reckon.

But as ever wait and see, and IF it is genuine, it’s a start.