Political discussions...

you do realise that the land the embassy stands on is considered to belong to that country and subject to their laws.

what is stopping them crossing into the first safe country if they really are being persecuted and then applying from there. what is stopping them applying online? what is stopping them doing any number of legal things?

and if its so dangerous how come there are daily flights from baghdad to london for under 300 quid??? or are they all empty. you do come up with some cobblers try thinking for yourself for once. or is it as many have suggested your unable to.

“We want to work with the 10% of the population that is responsible for 70 to 80% of its use,” explains Richard Kirby, head of Birmingham Community Healthcare NHS Trust, one of the key partners at Washwood Heath. “The NHS cannot meet their needs on its own – it requires partnership working.”

When I’m not smearing and bashing the government on it’s green credentials, I like to switch to moaning about it’s attitude to the NHS…

Firstly Kirby’s statement subtly in the same way trump etc does, attack ill people.
Donno about you lo, but the default state for most of us preferably is to be healthy. After all the entire system is designed around manageable demand which can’t exist if we’re all ill, but anyway, that 10% 80% statement is designed to marginalise the ill, switch the blame for a failing NHS away from mismanagement and onto the very people it is designed for, the ill.

And the second part of that statement clearly like nasty farage, points directly the intended move to a privatised health system.

Defend your NHS.

Nah, it’s because the '‘bollox’'of incentive will not apply if they enter that way through proper channells…
They will have to fend for and fund everything themselves.
Or…
Look for a gullible lefty like Franglais to look after them, in the style of those good UK people who actually show substance to their opinions, and provide the refugees (who intend to returrn after their war) with a temporary home.
#fatchance

I think you know people personaly that have taken in genuine refugees from ukraine. what funding are the refugees given to eat etc or are they allowed to work.

A bit like those shysters in the vid who returned to Iran,.their country they supposedlly 'fled’to get here, for a home visit type holiday you mean?
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thats a point how did they get passports to leave the country or is it more leftie cobblers that they come here undocumented so cant be sent home.

Me?
I do know some, their kids and the refugee kids go to school with mine…nice people, both the locals who take them in, and the actual Ukranians, all who have integrated into the local area succesfully.

I have not discussed what (if any ) funds or assistance any of them get, but at least 2 of the women work…
I say women, as there are amazingly NO ‘‘young men of fighting age’’ among them…(shock horror, surprise surprise :flushed_face:) …
As they are too busy defending their country to try and re.coup a home for their loved ones over here…ie the GENUINE REFUGEES,… and not free loading criminal scum succesfully conning people like Franglais
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If Ali, who is an opponent of his Gov, walks into an Embassy in Kabul (except that, there is not one there of course) then as soon as he leaves with his nice Visa what would happen to him do you imagine? Would he be left alone to go the airport?

That is not possible. Asylum can only be requested when the applicant is in the UK.

This really is very, very, basic stuff.

Who knows mate…:roll_eyes:
Nothing would surprise me any longer on this stuff of the lengths this country go to cater for these people.

Ask Franglais…he’ll have an official link up his sleeve no doubt.:grin:

he is put in secure accommodation until safe transit can be organised.

yet 254.000 ukrainians managed it

Yes, the Taliban and Iraqi security are well known for their hospitality.

I was starting to think that you were giving CF a run for his money in the talking bollox stakes. I now think you have overtaken him.

Yes… a VISA

2018 4 ukrainians came here illegaly
2019 none labeled so assume all other category ie 31
2020 …again no appropriate category… other 1306
2021 again no appropriate category… other 4860
2022 again no appropriate category… other 6825
2023 again no appropriate category… other 7203

a maximum amount of ukranians entering illegally is 20,229 ie less than 8% so how did the other 92% manage??? maybe just possibly legal routes.
as you say…

well done you have finally realised there is a legal way into the country from outside. and you know what else they have internet in every country including all the safe ones between iraq and here.

sorry i forgot myself i forgot that you need everything spoon fed to you because you cant think for yourself… maybe just maybe the british consulate has secure accommodation for their staff that isnt controled by the taliban or iraq ffs

just fyo List of diplomatic missions in Iraq - Wikipedia

The requirements for a visa are not the same as the requirements for granting of asylum.
They are very different things.

The existence of www is irrelevant.

Asylum can only be applied for when in the country.

9th time how did those from ukraine do it then…
so ali or who ever you said gets a visa to visit his relatives in the uk… he is in the bloody uk then isnt he shock horror he has also done it legally. but as siad many many many times he wont get all the milk and honey and he will have to have his travel documents etc so can be traced.

That is if he is granted a visa, and what sort of visa he is applying for.
wirk, visit, marriage.

Special arrangements were made (quite rightly) for Ukrainians.

Arrangements not available to inhabitants of most countries.

No, because Ali cannot walk safely into the UK consulate in his home oppressive country.
Even if he could, although he may qualify as an asylum seeker once here, he may not qualify for a Visa to get here. . The requirements are different.

and why is that… isnt because they arent fleeing war?

we just established that he could with no harrasment from outside

again why would that be that he is an undesriable that we dont want here??? no surely not they are all teachers and doctors and a general benefit to english society that will amalgamate themselves and live by our customs and values.