Political discussions... (Part 1)

[robroy]

@Maoster.
Stiched my old Dad up today…he’s 88 and still as fit as a streetfighter btw.

We were talking about Starmer maybe leading us into WW3, my Dad ex RN (and a Labour voter btw) said ‘‘I wouldn t be too keen about fighting for that ■■■■ if I was still in the Navy’’

I said …‘‘It was on news Dad they are short of personell and are calling up old guys, vets like yourself to do training …does yer uniform on the loft still fit ya’’?
He never knows ever if I am winding him up and I saw him thinking hard but trying to convince me he didn’t believe me .

I said ‘‘They are re.comissioning HMS Belfast for you guys to crew it’’

Thing is the old bugger looked ‘‘well up for it’’ ..(.just before I got a ‘‘■■■■ off man’’ )

[robroy]

@robroy

Starmer keeps cancelling and delaying elections he knows he aint at all popular, nobody loves him anymore and he can’t face the rejection…ahhhh.

@franglais

You brain seems to refuse to be incapable of thinking for itself. Just repeating (edited videos

Omg my poor brain is at it again.
Here’s another ‘‘edited vid’’.

Take it away Matt.

Even the Electoral Commission is calling out Labour’s plan to cancel democracy #ukpolitics #politics

If you feel concerned about immigration you're not the fringe minority you're the forgotten majority

[cav551]

Whatever anyone may think about these people, what they are alleged to have done, or their beliefs there is certainly one issue surrounding them about which we should be concerned. And that is the fact that they are On Remand awaiting Trial and have been for getting on for a year. Whether we like it or not, legally they are innocent until proven guilty by a court, and that is the principle of law upon which our whole justice system is based.

The government has failed miserably in its dealing with these prisoners and created a rod for its own back. They should have allocated a trial date a long time ago, instead they have backed themselves into a corner they cannot get out of. They are now faced with the alternatives of presenting these prisoners’ supporters with the spectacle of the accused being stretchered into court, or the likely hostile worldwide publicity when they start dying and the funerals are held.

We could contrast this current situation with the long term results of the 1981 Irish Hunger Strike. At least they were terrorists and had been convicted of serious crimes, they hadn’t just sprayed paint and broken into a factory. The two hunger strikes however are similar, both sets of strikers had done something far more serious than their actual crimes: they had upset the Establishment.

It will be History which judges this and we may not like the view it takes.

The IRA hunger strike and Fleet Street's graveyard of truth | Roy Greenslade

[franglais]

@maoster

The absolute tragedy is that I’d rather live under Putin than Starmer. At least I’d get more freedom.

Irony(?) can be very difficult to convey online.

British men are moving to Russia and having a total nightmare

[franglais]

I agree the Gov are getting a lot wrong here.
The proscribing of Palestine Action, because of “Trust me. They are bad” is not the way to go. It appears that those on remand are there not for terror related crime, but for protesting, and vandalism.

[robroy]

Still don’t care.
Are they dead yet btw?

They are doing this voluntarily it’s their own doing.
And look who is one of the chief protestors about how it is being handled…none other than the ultumate lefty f.tard…Jeremy Corbyn😂.
That alone is enough for things to go against them rather than for them.

And if the alleged inaction by the govt is putting them in (yet another) bad light, what is not to like here exactly?

These people are still firmly on my ever increasing CGAF list,.there are actual important things to worry about than a few idiotic misguided kin lefty morons.

[franglais]

@robroy

Still don’t care.
Are they dead yet btw?

Of course you don’t care. Wouldn’t expect anything else.

You don’t care that some appear to have been locked up for protesting against the Labour Gov?
So much for your shouting about free speech.
So much for all the posturing you normally do about Starmer and censorship.
“Free speech for me!” but screw the others.

Some people are prepared to give up much more for what they think (rightly or wrongly) is right, than the plastic patriots begging for cash on YouTube.
I daresay that many of us will have seen this by now?
But will we all choose the same high/low points from it?

For me the first point is the “rabbit caught in headlights” look on Yaxley-Lennon’s face.
No posse of tattooed blokes in bomber jackets surrounding him here.

Next is the “fact” that 90% of men convicted of ■■■■■■ young kids are Muslims (1min45)

And I also liked the one liner from Ty Michell near the end “Why don’t you ■■■■ off back where you came from”.

Boxer Ty Michell confronts notorious far right man Tommy Robinson in Dubai | Janta Ka Reporter

[robroy]

@franglais

Of course you don’t care. Wouldn’t expect anything else.

Pleased to oblige…at least I’m consistent then.

@franglais

You don’t care that some appear to have been locked up for protesting against the Labour Gov?
So much for your shouting about free speech.
So much for all the posturing you normally do about Starmer and censorship.
“Free speech for me!

In the same way that you are consistent for spouting bo11ocks.

So as usual (only for effect) you pretend to misunderstand, or interpret my apathy towards a few lefty terrorist supporting morons, as ‘‘not supporting free speech’’ …in order for you to posture and maintain your political agenda…business as usual then eh?

I’m all for free speech, the fact that I don’t gaf about these individuals means just that! about their rights, or anything else.
Why would I…there are enough servile lefty idiots like yourself defending them without me jumping on the bandwagon…
I do on reflection think they have a right to free speech like everyone else, but do not care enough to speak for them…has that penetrated through to comprehension?

@franglais

You don’t care that some appear to have been locked up for protesting against the Labour Gov?

…Dead right.
(Thats a bit of an own goal for you btw )
My answer to that due to recent events usually (but not this time) culminating in ‘Far Right’ accusations, and FB hurty words offences, I expect nothing else from this over authoritarian shower of sh govt, and this time the boot is on the other foot.

And why bring TR up on this ffs ?
Is it just your daily routine of spleen venting and TR is today’s ‘‘Franglais Target’’ ?

@franglais

Next is the “fact” that 90% of men convicted of ■■■■■■ young kids are Muslims (1min45)

Yep…musn’t call out or disrespect the Moslems eh?

@franglais

For me the first point is the “rabbit caught in headlights” look on Yaxley-Lennon’s face.

Yeah? I didn’t pick up on that, (funny that eh,.you maybe saw what you wanted to see in the same way ‘you only hear what you want to hear’ …usually from some official source.)

Way I saw it he stood his ground while presumably knowing he would be no match for this guy if it got a bit lively…

First rule on a confrontation…do NOT let the other guy think you fear him, (even if you are sectretly ■■■■■■■■ yourself.)…
I think he achieved that, he did not back down and stood up to him.

As usual mate you do not know wtf you are slavering about…and this time failed miserably in your ignorance whilst as usual being a smart arse.

[maoster]

@franglais

You don’t care that some appear to have been locked up for protesting against the Labour Gov?

Got any links to that? As far as I’m aware they (the hunger strikers) were jailed for vandalism within an operational military base.

Happy to be corrected.

[franglais]

They have not be jailed for vandalism. They have not yet been tried. They are on remand.

4 are accused of entering RAF Brise Norton and damaging aircraft. 4 are accused of entering a private defence related company.

The alleged crimes are serious, but do not, so far as I see, seem to be related to any action involving violence towards anyone. To be on remand for years, for B & E and vandalism?

If it was active violence or treason etc? No problem from me. It doesn’t look that way to me.
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Having said all that, I stand by previous comment, agree or not with their message, they are not afraid to risk a lot to get their message across.

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@robroy

I didn’t pick up on that

No surprise.

@robroy

maybe saw what you wanted to see

Exactly.
And how did I start my post?

@franglais

But will we all choose the same high/low points from it?

We will see it differently.

@robroy

@franglais

Next is the “fact” that 90% of men convicted of ■■■■■■ young kids are Muslims (1min45)

Yep…musn’t call out or disrespect the Moslems eh?

It would be a good idea if Yaxley-Lennon respected facts and truth. But that is very unlikely to happen.
Where does this “90% of child sex offenders being Muslim” or whatever come from?

[maoster]

@franglais

They have not be jailed for vandalism. They have not yet been tried. They are on remand.

Okay then, what were they arrested for? I’ll nail my colours to the mast here and say that if I’d have been military security that day we wouldn’t be having this conversation simply because I’d have shot them dead and to hell with the consequences.

But that’s a pointless “if my Auntie had ■■■■■■■■ she’d be my Uncle” conversation.

[maoster]

Bowlocks was the word

[robroy]

@franglais

For me the first point is the “rabbit caught in headlights” look on Yaxley-Lennon’s face.

@robroy

Yeah? I didn’t pick up on that, (funny that eh,.you maybe saw what you wanted to see in the same way ‘you only hear what you want to hear’ …usually from some official source

@franglais

No surprise.

No you aint getting away with that cos it just did NOT happen.

If TR is daft enough to get into a ruck with a boxer and an angry one at that, that is his faux pas, it might have ended badly for him.

But not once did he back down, nor look like ‘‘a rabbit in the headlights’’ as you pompously suggest…
His whole body language was completely opposire to what you say.

I have seen both possible scenarios many times, your account is wholly inaccurate.

I have no desire to speak up or stick up for him, if he got a hiding, that would be his own stupid fault, not fussed…It is just that I am just tired of your smart arse know it all stance on everything, it’s becoming tireome…sweeping statements with no substance.

Just because YOU refute something from a biased pov, does not make any difference…it just did NOT happen

And another thing.
The fact that those morons did sabotage on a British military base. says to me they should not have had the chance to starve themselves…they SHOULD have been shot dead on sight.

Edit…;Just noticed this has already beeen stated by Maoster…I did not realise.

[maoster]

@franglais

Where does this “90% of child sex offenders being Muslim” or whatever come from?

Probably from the conviction rate, I dunno

[maoster]

@maoster

Probably from the conviction rate, I dunno

I realise that I’ve left you a furious fact check open goal here, do your worst

[robroy]

Yeah he wants an accurate percentage with a 0.01% percentage tolerance…You know how he just ‘has to be right’'.

(Highly surprised he aint played his lefty racist card )

The fact that most r4pe gangs in UK cities have been Pakistani Moslems just aint good enough for him…(apart from it going against the lefty official line moslem appeasement policy.)

That last sentence to be highlighted with a ‘‘What is your source’’ in 5 4 3 2…

[cav551]

So let’s take your example and build a picture. You have been arrested and charged with several offences relating to having shot one of these people. You have been jailed on remand awaiting trial. You maintain that you were within in your rights to do so. Your family agrees with you and have mounted a campaign protesting your innocence and are gaining a lot of publicity which has resulted in demonstrations in London. The government decided months ago that they will withdraw your right to visitors, including your family members because they consider them to be undesirable political agitators, and the demonstrations are costing a lot of money in police time. You decided to go on hunger strike as a protest with the aim of being able to see your family. As a result with no trial date set, or sign of being allowed contact with your family; you are now extremely ill meaning that if your hunger strike goes on much longer you will die soon.

How do you think your family feels about the fact that you have not been convicted of any crime because legally you are considered innocent until proved to be guilty in a court?

[robroy]

Just realised I aint mentioned illegal immigration pi55 takes for at least 2 hours..
I’m slipping.

Here’s a little routine which kinda sums a lot of it up with accuracy…maybe not the bit about a ‘‘new car’’ with every bloody thing else they get free over us. but I’m sure our resident lefty apologist will go through it with a fine tooth comb and come back and reveal to us his research and fact findings, interspersed with numerous refutements.

Here goes…

The illegal migrant song.

[Newlion]

@robroy

Still don’t care.
Are they dead yet btw?

They are doing this voluntarily it’s their own doing.

Spot on.

No-one other than they themselves are denying them food, if they end up dying then it’s on them and no-one else.

[maoster]

@cav551

So let’s take your example and build a picture

In this picture am I an armed guard at a sensitive military site protecting valuable hardware, or am I simply a trespasser armed with a rattle can and a handful of pronouns preparing to carry out an illegal act?

Just for clarity you understand.