Police research into Lay-by parking

speedyguy:

azza91:
maybe if we had decent parking facilities we wouldn’t need to park in [zb] lay-bys :imp:

Excellent idea, who should pay for them and run them ?

Well the government of course! Otherwise known as the taxpayer…revenue from road fund licence and fuel duty is around 7 times the amount actually spent on the roads…maybe if we re-directed some of the tens of millions the government (that’s us taxpayers again) currently give to the rapists and paedophiles infesting the charity world we could have the kind of facilities we can only dream about presently? :wink:

the nodding donkey:
Rightly or wrongly, on the whole, this country lives it’s sedate life of gentle contentment, because of the law. I dare say, that 90% of the citizens of this country, wouldn’t know what denial of rights means. What loss of freedom really means. What a lawless society really feels like.

Try exercising your right to silence when youre being investigated for speeding. Failing to name the driver is an offence in itself.

On occasions I’ve been denied the right ( although it was overturned in time) to freely travel in this country because I was attending a football match. Despite no convictions for football violence (or anything else for that matter) myself and everyone else were forced to use “officially sanctioned transport” to the game.

I was recently arrested, handcuffed and along with my car, searched. Apparently they can do that under section 23 of the misuse of drugs act. Nothing was found and they failed to tell me what “intelligence” led to them stopping me.

There was the famous case of the old guy who was arrested under anti terror legislation for heckling Tony B Liar.

The authorities now have the power to moniter your internet use. Strangely enough these powers came in just before they launched a crackdown on pirate downloads, but the legislation is to combat terrorism. :laughing: No, really it is!

And of course you could try and express your views publicly on this country’s emigration policy. Hmm, maybe not.

This isn’t a free country, and it’s getting worse. More often than not it’s done under the guise of “protecting the public”.

Now of course, if you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve nothing to worry about. And the removal of these rights and liberties won’t affect you.

And breath, rant over.

the nodding donkey:

robroy:

the nodding donkey:

robroy:
Ah well, after reading some of your posts on this, it looks like I’m in a minority with my opinions of the UK Police then eh.
Do I care? …do I [zb] !

We’ll see if some of your opinions change when you see that bellend Nairn specimen in his unit is running alongside you in lane 2 posing in his sunglasses, while his ■■■■ of a mate is recording you eating your coronation chicken sarnie.
Then the same night you park up and get your fuel nicked because PC Nairn and his chum have booked off for the day after making x no of pounds revenue.

I’ll come back and see if your sympathies have changed any eh?
:unamused:

Alternatively, if we did away with the deterent of the law, it would be each for themselves.
I doubt that even your save industrial estate parking spots would be save, if there was no law…

I’ve no problem with laws mate, it’s the way they are cherry picked by the Police in order of perceived priority that I have the problem with. :bulb:

When was the last time a copper pulled you over, and expected you to pay him a bribe? (As a former Euro driver, I expect I don’t need to explain this to you. If I do, you are sadly lacking in experience…).
Like it or not, the police have only so many bods, and need to cover a lot of bases. Rightly or wrongly, on the whole, this country lives it’s sedate life of gentle contentment, because of the law. I dare say, that 90% of the citizens of this country, wouldn’t know what denial of rights means. What loss of freedom really means. What a lawless society really feels like.

A UK copper has NEVER knocked me for a bribe…and nor would I expect them to…(.trying to get my head around the ‘experience’ crack btw :open_mouth: , not sure about what that’s supposed to mean,… but never mind :neutral_face: )

Look mate, can I just make something crystal here once and for all, as it looks like by your comment I am being misunderstood as some Police hater. :unamused:

I am not coming at this from the same direction as my mate Beaver, he has got his own opinions, and I may not agree with some of them, but he is rightly fully entitled to air them.

As for me, I certainly do NOT hate the Police, but I DO certainly have a problem with some of their methods. Also with how actual ‘‘poiicing’’ in this country has changed so much towards the negative, to the point of it being dumbed down, and especially as I have been on the end of it (ooo er Mrs :smiley: ) myself, including 2 occasions I have pointed out on this thread.

(At the risk here of bring told to ‘‘Let it go man, it was over 10 yrs ago’’ :unamused: :smiley:,…) I don’t want to have yet another cry and bellyache about my original post, of being in a line of about 10 trucks one night, getting penalty tickets at a place I had parked for bloody years, for the one and only reason of deterring truckers from parking, at said location, that had suddenlly just became an attraction for scum, robbing stuff off the back of trucks.

Imagine the Police pre shift briefing.

‘‘So heres the plan for tonight guys.
We’ll patrol problem ind est, not catch the thieves, but penalise the drivers, and let the scrotes get away with it. So no real actual police groundwork to do, so win win , easylife time, and here’s the clever bit we’ll .gain we’ll some revenue at the same time. Brilliant! :sunglasses:
and remember Hey hey…let’s be careful out there’’
(Hill st Blues, google it :laughing: )
:unamused:

Now !, does this example of lowest common denominator ■■■■ poor policing not classically personify just what I am pointing out?? :bulb:
Even the copper on here must have been embarrased on that one.

As I keep saying to the bleeding hearts on here :unamused: who are sooo concerned about ‘‘offending the nice Policeman’’ :unamused: … This guy came on a public forum, with a username indicating he was purely in the capacity of a Traffic Police officer, so why should we not air grievances (on a forum :bulb: :bulb: ) towards him as a representative of an organisation.
I do hope (and I would put a bet on it) that he is man enough to take it, and he will continue to come on regular to try and give a Police perspective, …and as I said, despite what some think, I do respect him for it, and for setting himself up as a target while doing so.

Who knows, if his superiors are monitoring him as he has implied, they might get some of this stuff right through their swedes, and have a ponder as to how and why they are not flavour of the month. :bulb:

Not holding my breath on that last bit btw.

TiredAndEmotional:

speedyguy:

azza91:
maybe if we had decent parking facilities we wouldn’t need to park in [zb] lay-bys :imp:

Excellent idea, who should pay for them and run them ?

Well the government of course! Otherwise known as the taxpayer…revenue from road fund licence and fuel duty is around 7 times the amount actually spent on the roads…maybe if we re-directed some of the tens of millions the government (that’s us taxpayers again) currently give to the rapists and paedophiles infesting the charity world we could have the kind of facilities we can only dream about presently? :wink:

100% correct there. When developers put in plans for huge industrial estates, when AmaTes want a big RDC, why dont the planning authorities specify a truck park on the plans? They need trucks,and we know they arent hung on skyhooks overnight.
Local councils who take Business Rates surely have some duty to reinvest in the infrastructure?
OK, were sliding into politics about what councils are/arent allowed to do with “their” money by central gov, but the principle stands good. But no, for years weve been under-investing in our infrastructure. In order to get our tax bill down were now lumbered with motorway service areas designed for traffic levels of the 60sand 70s. (Road fuel taxes are swallowed up into the general pot, theyre not ring-fenced). We preserve a few green bits of grass to run horses on, at the cost of trucks parked on the hard shoulder, and young adults unable to buy a decent home etc etc. (curtail rant here*) Tarmac parks arent free its true. But their cost should be bourne by businesses in general. Those companies who use road haulage (whether they have their own fleet or not) should bear some of the responsibility and this should be reflected in the taxes they pay by way of business rates. As I said in a previous post, Ive no real input into the OP`s original question, but do wish the OP luck in it.

Franglais:
When developers put in plans for huge industrial estates, when AmaTes want a big RDC, why dont the planning authorities specify a truck park on the plans? They need trucks,and we know they arent hung on skyhooks overnight.
Local councils who take Business Rates surely have some duty to reinvest in the infrastructure?
OK, were sliding into politics about what councils are/arent allowed to do with “their” money by central gov, but the principle stands good. But no, for years weve been under-investing in our infrastructure. In order to get our tax bill down were now lumbered with motorway service areas designed for traffic levels of the 60sand 70s. (Road fuel taxes are swallowed up into the general pot, theyre not ring-fenced). We preserve a few green bits of grass to run horses on, at the cost of trucks parked on the hard shoulder, and young adults unable to buy a decent home etc etc. (curtail rant here*) Tarmac parks arent free it`s true. But their cost should be bourne by businesses in general. Those companies who use road haulage (whether they have their own fleet or not) should bear some of the responsibility and this should be reflected in the taxes they pay by way of business rates.

Give it a rest mate eh? :unamused:

You’re talking FAR too much good sense and logic there.
Not a chance in hell of any politician or local councillor listening to that. :wink:

robroy:
As I keep saying to the bleeding hearts on here :unamused: who are sooo concerned .

Right. Let’s just clear this up. Some of the posts were out of hand and deserved comment. I wasn’t the only one who agreed with this, diesel Dave down.

You are very vocal and not short of dictating your opinion yourself, so don’t start twisting and mocking; calling people bleeding hearts just because a line of manners had been crossed that deserved comment.

You’ve spent the last 5 pages solidly winging and moaning. Moaning about the Police, moaning about sleeping in laybys, moaning that no one agrees with you. Moaning that “do you give a a F”. Etcetera etcetera…

Most of us have let it go, and let you get on with it whilst respectfully accepting your clear opinions.

Freight Dog:

robroy:
As I keep saying to the bleeding hearts on here :unamused: who are sooo concerned .

Right. Let’s just clear this up. Some of the posts were out of hand and deserved comment. I wasn’t the only one who agreed with this, diesel Dave down.

You are very vocal and not short of dictating your opinion yourself, so don’t start twisting and mocking; calling people bleeding hearts just because a line of manners had been crossed that deserved comment.

You’ve spent the last 5 pages solidly winging and moaning. Moaning about the Police, moaning about sleeping in laybys, moaning that no one agrees with you. Moaning that “do you give a a F”. Etcetera etcetera…

Most of us have let it go, and let you get on with it whilst respectfully accepting your clear opinions.

:laughing: :laughing:
Jeez mate, calm down ffs, you’ll bring a stroke on. :smiley:
Have I seriously hit a raw nerve here or what? :smiley:
…and anyway, I thought we had to agreed to differ, don’t take things so personally. :unamused:
Everyone evidently has not moved on,.as the thread is still live. :bulb:

You can construe my comments as whinging, moaning, whining or whatever tf you like, I aint really fussed, and I also accept your clear opinion …as you say
However they were just comments and opinions to the thread, and reactions to other’s comments…just like your response to me in fact :bulb: , …in other words the raison d’etre Rodney, of a forum…so what’s your problem here?

Also if I want to mock or take the ■■■■ when I feel it’s justified, and it does not break forum rules… I will.

Have a nice Sunday afternoon. :neutral_face: :smiley:

robroy:

Freight Dog:

robroy:
As I keep saying to the bleeding hearts on here :unamused: who are sooo concerned .

Right. Let’s just clear this up. Some of the posts were out of hand and deserved comment. I wasn’t the only one who agreed with this, diesel Dave down.

You are very vocal and not short of dictating your opinion yourself, so don’t start twisting and mocking; calling people bleeding hearts just because a line of manners had been crossed that deserved comment.

You’ve spent the last 5 pages solidly winging and moaning. Moaning about the Police, moaning about sleeping in laybys, moaning that no one agrees with you. Moaning that “do you give a a F”. Etcetera etcetera…

Most of us have let it go, and let you get on with it whilst respectfully accepting your clear opinions.

:laughing: :laughing:
Jeez mate, calm down ffs, you’ll bring a stroke on. :smiley:
Have I seriously hit a raw nerve here or what? :smiley:
…and anyway, I thought we had to agreed to differ, don’t take things so personally. :unamused:
Everyone evidently has not moved on,.as the thread is still live. :bulb:

You can construe my comments as whinging, moaning, whining or whatever tf you like, I aint really fussed, and I also accept your clear opinion …as you say
However they were just comments and opinions to the thread, and reactions to other’s comments…just like your response to me in fact :bulb: , …in other words the raison d’etre Rodney, of a forum…so what’s your problem here?

Also if I want to mock or take the ■■■■ when I feel it’s justified, and it does not break forum rules… I will.

Have a nice Sunday afternoon. :neutral_face: :smiley:

Fine straw man fallacy you’ve done there. No nerve hit. Not stress. No strokes. Nope, just being direct, But I suspect you know that.

Far from stressed, putting the wheels and shielding back on the car after some work, having a coffee and browsing trucknet before we head down south for the day then simulator prep later. Takes a bit more than a forum on make believe land to stress me out.

A man of contradictions you are :laughing: . No one is saying you can’t moan. Just expect equally robust replies. Give as you take etc.

The very same to you. Have a good Sunday :smiley:

Freight Dog:
Fine straw man fallacy you’ve done there. No nerve hit. Not stress. No strokes. Nope, just being direct, But I suspect you know that.

Far from stressed, putting the wheels and shielding back on the car after some work, having a coffee and browsing trucknet before we head down south for the day then simulator prep later. Takes a bit more than a forum on make believe land to stress me out.

A man of contradictions you are :laughing: . No one is saying you can’t moan. Just expect equally robust replies. Give as you take etc.

The very same to you. Have a good Sunday :smiley:

Yeh? Well I’m chilling in Asda coffee shop browsing Trucknet while Mrs Rob gets the shopping in. :sunglasses: :smiley:

I always am prepared to take as much as I give, and enjoy the banter, and like yourself (well usually anyway) do not take it too seriously.
I just thought that you had taken it a bit personal and reacted a bit ott, …and a bit out of character for yourself.
We aint going to fall out about it. :smiley:

robroy:

Freight Dog:
Fine straw man fallacy you’ve done there. No nerve hit. Not stress. No strokes. Nope, just being direct, But I suspect you know that.

Far from stressed, putting the wheels and shielding back on the car after some work, having a coffee and browsing trucknet before we head down south for the day then simulator prep later. Takes a bit more than a forum on make believe land to stress me out.

A man of contradictions you are :laughing: . No one is saying you can’t moan. Just expect equally robust replies. Give as you take etc.

The very same to you. Have a good Sunday :smiley:

Yeh? Well I’m chilling in Asda coffee shop browsing Trucknet while Mrs Rob gets the shopping in. :sunglasses: :smiley:

I always am prepared to take as much as I give, and enjoy the banter, and like yourself (well usually anyway) do not take it too seriously.
I just thought that you had taken it a bit personal and reacted a bit ott, …and a bit out of character for yourself.
We aint going to fall out about it. :smiley:

If you can see me in the real world you’d notice I’m not someone to fall out with anyone easily. Kind of always trained to be straight talking in my job when resolving argument and disagreement and fair comment, it can carry over a bit. But it’s always meant to be “what is right” not “who is right” (had to edit that as got it thre wrong way round :laughing: ). rather than anything you’d lift more than an eyelid for. Suppose that’s why LOL was invented, to defuse using three letters as opposed to twenty words. :laughing:

If I disagree with someone on here, I don’t change liking them. Unless they’re consistently abrasive, and there’s only a few on here like that and we all know them :laughing:

Freight Dog:

robroy:

Freight Dog:
Fine straw man fallacy you’ve done there. No nerve hit. Not stress. No strokes. Nope, just being direct, But I suspect you know that.

Far from stressed, putting the wheels and shielding back on the car after some work, having a coffee and browsing trucknet before we head down south for the day then simulator prep later. Takes a bit more than a forum on make believe land to stress me out.

A man of contradictions you are :laughing: . No one is saying you can’t moan. Just expect equally robust replies. Give as you take etc.

The very same to you. Have a good Sunday :smiley:

Yeh? Well I’m chilling in Asda coffee shop browsing Trucknet while Mrs Rob gets the shopping in. :sunglasses: :smiley:

I always am prepared to take as much as I give, and enjoy the banter, and like yourself (well usually anyway) do not take it too seriously.
I just thought that you had taken it a bit personal and reacted a bit ott, …and a bit out of character for yourself.
We aint going to fall out about it. :smiley:

If you can see me in the real world you’d notice I’m not someone to fall out with anyone easily. Kind of always trained to be straight talking in my job when resolving argument and disagreement and fair comment, it can carry over a bit. But it’s always meant to be “what is right” not “who is right” (had to edit that as got it thre wrong way round :laughing: ). rather than anything you’d lift more than an eyelid for. Suppose that’s why LOL was invented, to defuse using three letters as opposed to twenty words. :laughing:

If I disagree with someone on here, I don’t change liking them. Unless they’re consistently abrasive, and there’s only a few on here like that and we all know them :laughing:

Yeh, me. :laughing: :laughing:
Take your point mate, cheers. :wink:

robroy:

Freight Dog:

robroy:

Freight Dog:
Fine straw man fallacy you’ve done there. No nerve hit. Not stress. No strokes. Nope, just being direct, But I suspect you know that.

Far from stressed, putting the wheels and shielding back on the car after some work, having a coffee and browsing trucknet before we head down south for the day then simulator prep later. Takes a bit more than a forum on make believe land to stress me out.

A man of contradictions you are :laughing: . No one is saying you can’t moan. Just expect equally robust replies. Give as you take etc.

The very same to you. Have a good Sunday :smiley:

Yeh? Well I’m chilling in Asda coffee shop browsing Trucknet while Mrs Rob gets the shopping in. :sunglasses: :smiley:

I always am prepared to take as much as I give, and enjoy the banter, and like yourself (well usually anyway) do not take it too seriously.
I just thought that you had taken it a bit personal and reacted a bit ott, …and a bit out of character for yourself.
We aint going to fall out about it. :smiley:

If you can see me in the real world you’d notice I’m not someone to fall out with anyone easily. Kind of always trained to be straight talking in my job when resolving argument and disagreement and fair comment, it can carry over a bit. But it’s always meant to be “what is right” not “who is right” (had to edit that as got it thre wrong way round :laughing: ). rather than anything you’d lift more than an eyelid for. Suppose that’s why LOL was invented, to defuse using three letters as opposed to twenty words. :laughing:

If I disagree with someone on here, I don’t change liking them. Unless they’re consistently abrasive, and there’s only a few on here like that and we all know them :laughing:

Yeh, me. :laughing: :laughing:
Take your point mate, cheers. :wink:

No crikey, you’re def not one of those mate :smiley: . We did our shop last night. Got up this morning and realised I’d left my topside of beef slices for my sandwiches sitting by the radiator on the chair. Flipping heck, bought that as a treat :laughing: . Think I’ll risk it.

Have a good un today.

Rikki-UK:
It amazes me that so many members here moan that they are not listened too, when they are asked to comment on new rules. they choose to show dance, rather than engage, looking at some of the posts in this thread its no wonder your opinion isn’t asked- because your behaving like arses. If you cant be a grown up for at least a few moments then don’t post.

Is any of that really a surprise?

The general public’s opinion of lorry drivers is largely that they are knobheads. Reading some of the ■■■■ in this thread makes that a perfectly understandable view to have. Sadly, knobheads is exactly what many are.

azza91:
maybe if we had decent parking facilities we wouldn’t need to park in [zb] lay-bys :imp:

You’re right, there is nowhere near enough around here (or generally) however I was trying to make a small difference by preserving the space available to you in laybys, the Daily Mail readers on here just can’t see that though and are too blinded by their Police rants to actually see someone trying to help the Commercial Vehicle community

robroy:
I’ve no problem with laws mate, it’s the way they are cherry picked by the Police in order of perceived priority that I have the problem with. :bulb:

But who’s perceived priority Rob? I could dedicate a large team of officers to only work on priorities as you see them, be that load/fuel thefts or whatever and keep you entirely 100% happy with what we were doing, but that would satisfy 1 person, meanwhile someone else, who isn’t affected by lorry issues or has a burglary problem in their area wants to know why we aren’t dealing with speeders in their road, or parking outside their school, or the amount of crashes at a junction, or middle lane hoggers, or, or, or - you get the point. We can’t please everyone, especially with unrealistic expectations and will always be damned either way.

robroy:
…As for me, I certainly do NOT hate the Police, but I DO certainly have a problem with some of their methods…

…As I keep saying to the bleeding hearts on here :unamused: who are sooo concerned about ‘‘offending the nice Policeman’’ :unamused: … This guy came on a public forum, with a username indicating he was purely in the capacity of a Traffic Police officer, so why should we not air grievances (on a forum :bulb: :bulb: ) towards him as a representative of an organisation.
I do hope (and I would put a bet on it) that he is man enough to take it, and he will continue to come on regular to try and give a Police perspective, …and as I said, despite what some think, I do respect him for it, and for setting himself up as a target while doing so…

The only outright Police hater on here is Beaver, who clearly has an attitude and creates most of the problems himself (we deal with ‘difficult’ people like him regularly, and it always ends the same) however a great many of you are obviously quite anti, and ranting about all and every problem you perceive without recognising the significant good work we do which FAR outweighs any negative, mistakes, or missed opportunities. And yes, I have a thick skin and am used to all this so would otherwise have considered hanging around to provide a different view point on appropriate topics and some unbiased advice however with the huge imbalance of negativity and rants, with very few open minds willing to have an adult debate and accept certain explanations it seems there is little point and no upside.

Captain Caveman 76:
Try exercising your right to silence when youre being investigated for speeding. Failing to name the driver is an offence in itself…

And rightly so, otherwise we would be having even more deaths and chaos than there already is. Nobody has a ‘right’ to drive, you need a license and as part of that you accept certain rules, all created by society in general through the courts and MPs etc, one of which is a requirement to name the driver at the time of an alleged offence (who can then defend themselves) or face £1,000 fine and 6pts.

It has been argued numerous times through the Human Rights courts at every level, including the well known left leaning European ones and each time it was confirmed as not preventing peoples right to a fair trial which is why it remains, and will continue to do so.

Those that think/imply this is anywhere near a Police state need to actually consider the balance of powers and system of checks and balances, then maybe look at the rest of the world and powers those Police have, as I can’t think if a single country with softer laws and Policing.

Thanks for your contribution and efforts EssexTrafficSgt, some of us appreciate what you’ve attempted to do.

FWIW, I agree with your “very few open minds” observation.

Ok, final post before I delete my profile and leave you all to it, as you clearly don’t welcome outsiders or opposing views (I was surprised you didn’t seem to already have any Police on here as members, to offer advice/answer Qs etc. - a few posts in I quickly realised why, at least you’ll have nobody to disagree with you now or point out problems with incorrect assumptions) so will leave you to your anti-Police rants (you may want to explain how the prisons got so full if we are all so useless and lazy - if you Google ‘prisons full’ you will see articles from different dates over the last few years about prisons being 99% capacity, told to take more, full in 2 months and so on)

There are clearly issues with load/fuel thefts, just as there is issue with burglaries and various other crimes - whilst crime across the board has risen (ignore the spin the Gov try and put on it with the crime survey using selected opinions/areas and look at the actual figures, with many not bothering to report meaning its even higher in reality) and population/demand has also risen, we have lost around 24,000 officers with the same amount again in PCSOs and admin staff who were doing some of the support functions but now replaced by full officers. At the same time we are taking on many of the other agencies work due to not enough Social Workers, Ambulances or mental health workers meaning we spend at least 25-30% of our time dealing with issues which aren’t Police matters (this is some of the time when we could be attending the jobs you criticise us for).

With load thefts, in most cases our attendance after the fact won’t actually solve anything as there is unlikely to be any forensic opportunities so we would just record it along with the items taken so we can potentially match it with any found on arrests/warrants of known gangs doing this, and provide a crime number - this can all be done over the phone. Its like people reporting their car stolen from the drive, with no CCTV or witnesses - in the past we would have attended in person, for reassurance at least and would like to do so now but with so few resources against demand we have to prioritise, so turning up to say “yep, you’re right, it’s gone” won’t provide any additional benefit to a civvie dealing over the phone (whilst we look for the child reported missing for the umpteenth time). If we attend the load theft (and many we will), then we have to choose another job to NOT attend instead.

With the thefts from your vehicles - we DO patrol services and key areas, however unless you see us passing between the lanes of vehicles or checking laybys (which is when we started noticing the bill board issue) in the few minutes we’re there (when you may be asleep or eating etc.) you assume we don’t do it. We DO catch people for these crimes - I already mentioned the Brentwood A12 multiple fuel theft example and we have also sent several people from the same gang to jail, its just we do work in the background on intel of vehicles/criminals in the area and sometimes have to play the long game - two local examples below but there are many, many more. (my favourite was when they took a gamble by taking boxes without knowing what was in them and had actually stolen 3,000 pregnancy testing kits!!)
http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/crime-court/dagenham-gang-member-jailed-after-stealing-from-parked-lorries-1-4715124
http://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/south_essex_news/11236396.M25_lorry_thieves_jailed_for_5_years/

As mentioned in a previous reply above, we can never please everyone and not cover all demands, so have a generic response team to try and respond to 999 calls and general demand, then specialist teams to deal with specific crimes, i.e. the Child Abuse team will only deal with these crimes and not RTCs or give out speeding tickets etc., the same applies for the Burglary and Gangs teams, CID, community team, Domestic Abuse, Modern Slavery, Cyber Crime, ■■■ offenders and so on - Roads Policing however (the clue is in the title), deal with Traffic offences and problems and try and reduce casualties on our roads (halved from the 3,000+ deaths per year we used to get, partly due to better vehicle safety but also enforcement, education and engagement). We won’t generally deal with burglaries etc. (although are called and respond if nearby when its happening/just happened) just as the other teams would for a serious crash nearby, so suggesting we should go and catch ‘real criminals’ rather than giving out tickets or dealing with drivers is like someone else suggesting the drugs team should leave people to it (as if they want to kill themselves through drugs, who cares) and deal with speeding in their village instead. For those who would say “i still think your priorities are wrong”, you have clearly never been affected by, or spoken to anyone who has experienced a road death/serious injury. The numbers of dedicated traffic officers is already at a record low (very approximately 1 per 100,000 people, less in some areas with lots of forces having NO dedicated Roads Policing officers) and we are the first to be cut when numbers reduce as other more political areas such as crime and burglary (which don’t kill anywhere near as many combined) are seen as more important

The plane crash in Iran has been towards the top of the news pages for a day or so due to 66 people killed - on average 66 people die on our roads every 2-3 weeks however that is just taken for granted (fatal accidents rarely make National news). That’s pretty much the equivalent of a 737 crashing every month, killing everyone on board. Can you imagine that being accepted? Well that’s what’s happening, and we (Road Policing) are the only ones dedicated to trying to bring the number down even more, and I will never apologise for that or be made to feel i’m not doing ‘proper Police work’.

To the mods, thanks for being fair in your approach and thanks anyway - I’ll delete my profile now as there really is no benefit in remaining and leave you to it and wish you luck - no doubt there will be ‘teddy in the corner’ or ‘couldn’t take it’ comments, however as there are so few on here with an open mind willing to have a sensible conversation/debate and accept certain things, life is too short. I could probably count on one hand the amount of replies which were (A) relevant to the actual post and (B) helpful, with the rest of the 10 pages being anti-police rants or presuming I’m a troll (without actually clarifying how or why my polite posts were winding people up or being rude/unreasonable as a troll would)

A parting thought - for all the comments about crap police and individual examples, I have had MANY experiences with truck drivers driving in cruise with their feet on the dash, using a laptop, watching films and even cooking a meal on a gas stove in the middle, yet I haven’t grouped all drivers together and assumed you’re all ‘knobheads’ (as a previous poster put it), because i’m an adult and can differentiate between people rather than label everyone within a wide group - maybe some on here should try it?

Mods - I’ve looked in the User Control Panel (and tabs within) and also checked FAQs but can’t see how to delete my profile, can you either tell me how or delete it for me pls.