Police research into Lay-by parking

[eagerbeaver]

EssexTrafficSgt:

eagerbeaver:

ezydriver:

EssexTrafficSgt:
Also, when dealing with these we usually tuck in close at the front, to the nearside and without lights as we want to be subtle so as not to warn any others who pull in behind for a break meaning we get a 2 for 1 deal

Allowing dangerous and illegal practice so as to fill the coffers? And you were just begining to restore my faith in the police until you said that.

Correct. Sneaky, dangerous & illegal.

Pretty much sums them up

No, it just sums up your narrow view and opinion - how about i don’t tell you how to do your job and you leave me to do mine? (sneaky yes, intentionally so but neither dangerous or illegal, which shows you know nothing)

I know you CAN’T do my job

But it would be a piece of ■■■■ to do yours. (Sweet FA) So you were in your own time earlier? What about this evening? Is that your own time too? Or are you ’ off ’ today?

[robroy]

You should get yourself wrapped up Beav, you’ll catch your death in that uniform in the pic, you aint getting any younger you know.

[eagerbeaver]

robroy:
You should get yourself wrapped up Beav, you’ll catch your death in that uniform in the pic, you aint getting any younger you know.

I’m just enjoying this ’ serving police officer ’ losing his cool mate

As for uniforms, I’ve decided to go for a police one next. I reckon Ol’ Beav would make a cracking police officer.

First thing I would do is arrest that french ■■■ who keeps crying his eyes out to the mod’s.

[dieseldave]

pierrot 14:
But still you let him slag off the police Diesel

Hi pierrot 14,

There’s no breach of forum rules involved, so even though we don’t necessarily agree with what somebody says or the view they hold, we couldn’t just censor it because we don’t agree.

On other topics, there’s plenty of stuff written that I don’t agree with, but IMHO it would be a gross misuse of power for us to remove it simply for that reason alone.

I think that people agreeing to disagree in a fair debate is a good thing, but the line is drawn on TN when the forum rules get broken by such things as personal attacks and petty name-calling.

[eagerbeaver]

dieseldave:

pierrot 14:
But still you let him slag off the police Diesel

Hi pierrot 14,

There’s no breach of forum rules involved, so even though we don’t necessarily agree with what somebody says or the view they hold, we couldn’t just censor it because we don’t agree.

On other topics, there’s plenty of stuff written that I don’t agree with, but IMHO it would be a gross misuse of power for us to remove it simply for that reason alone.

I think that people agreeing to disagree in a fair debate is a good thing, but the line is drawn on TN when the forum rules get broken by such things as personal attacks and petty name-calling.

You could use my ’ blunderous approach ’ on him Dave if you want

[eagerbeaver]

pierrot 14:
But still you let him slag off the police Diesel

I slag the filth off to their face mate. Love a good night at Runcorn custody suite, especially when that short arse bald custody sergeant is on duty. Thinks he’s Robocop

If they want to do anything about me they can contact the site administrators for my personal details which I give full permission to do so.

And even IF I crossed a line and they took me to court, it’s not an unfamiliar arena for me Thoroughly invigorating experience, and worth every penny of the fine

[captain_caveman_76]

eagerbeaver:

pierrot 14:
But still you let him slag off the police Diesel

I slag the filth off to their face mate. Love a good night at Runcorn custody suite, especially when that short arse bald custody sergeant is on duty. Thinks he’s Robocop

If they want to do anything about me they can contact the site administrators for my personal details which I give full permission to do so.

And even IF I crossed a line and they took me to court, it’s not an unfamiliar arena for me Thoroughly invigorating experience, and worth every penny of the fine

I hope you remind them that you pay their wages whilst they twist you up!

[essextrafficsgt]

pierrot 14:

GORDON 50:
Interesting stuff here…not sure if the OP is a genuine cop or not but all things seem to say that he (or she) is, if so then as above, individual coppers don’t make laws and are only acting under instruction from above, which is where any grievances against the police should be directed.
As for budget cuts, yeah, it is having an effect on policing but the police forces themselves could stop wasting money and tighten their belts when it comes to unnecessary spending, like replacing all 4 tyres on a police car simply because it gets a puncture (I heard this from a serving copper who is a friend of a friend), and no doubt other OTT outgoings which totally unnecessary.

Yeah, heard this from my mate too.

Well i can assure you this doesn’t happen in Essex, we also repair/plug when appropriate (not very often due to speed/risk)

[essextrafficsgt]

GORDON 50:
Jam sandwich…that’s something I haven’t heard in years!

I was thinking the same

[essextrafficsgt]

Eagerbeaver, you have shown yourself for what you are so any further rants will go unanswered i’m afraid.

To the person who sent me an email (from an r........@sky.com email address at 1440hrs on the 12th, only just seen it) “To check you aren’t a troll” - i did get it but replying would be using my individual work email (also why i haven’t quoted your full one) so i’ll just confirm here i received it to hopefully satisfy you.

[eagerbeaver]

EssexTrafficSgt:
Eagerbeaver, you have shown yourself for what you are so any further rants will go unanswered i’m afraid.

To the person who sent me an email (from an r........@sky.com email address at 1440hrs on the 12th, only just seen it) “To check you aren’t a troll” - i did get it but replying would be using my individual work email (also why i haven’t quoted your full one) so i’ll just confirm here i received it to hopefully satisfy you.

You are no match for me anyway fella. Best let you get back to your busy shift…

[speedyguy]

If EPS is who he says he is (which has supposedly been confirmed) the initial post comes across as someone who wants to try and solve a problem but is maybe using the wrong tactics and from reading it is going to be caught out. There have already been some useful posts on here reminding you to be careful

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police, working primarily in the South of the county around the M25 borders. I am currently dealing with an increasing issue of large mobile billboard trailers parking in Laybys and in doing so blocking potential spaces for yourselves and other road users.

Yeah i used to do that as well for a Gov agency responding to letters from Mr Angry of Essex and elsewhere. In fact there was one chap who was quite giddy writing to the minister and whoever else though could ‘fix’ his problem around the ‘Cobham’ area.

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am often finding that when left unchecked, other companies will think to themselves ‘i’ll have some of that’ and we get 2-3 in the same stretch to take advantage of the key commuter exposure.

You may, and there’s beggar all you can do about it unless you become creative or use some obscure legislation.

EssexTrafficSgt:
I have been issuing tickets for unnecessary obstruction with an accompanying letter explaining that the local highways dept install and maintain the laybys for road users to take rest and refuge, not for them to park for a week or more for commercial gain and generally this has worked,

Completely and utterley wrong.

EssexTrafficSgt:
however one particular company is being resistant to the ‘ticketfest’ i have been having with their vehicles and even contacted me to state they don’t feel HGVs should be sleeping over night in the laybys (yes, i know!!) but there is nothing preventing them parking there so they will continue.

See above, why are you working on ‘scare tactics’ ? You will be found out and shown up big time, possibly already by the resistant company who knows the law and legislation more than you.

EssexTrafficSgt:
In order to support a potential court case against them i am trying to show the effect - i have contacted the RHA who have provided support and some information about the lack of overnight parking capacity in the South East however it would be really useful to hear from any of you who may have had trouble finding space for your daily rest (or even your 45s) because of these advertising vehicles blocking space - i would be especially interested in issues around the M25 ends of the A12 and A127 but generic examples are also fine. I don’t need personal details - a post here is fine.

Be careful you have no chance on the present tack, i have responded to more letters stating the legislation i care to bother about, i was sick to the back teeth of it, hence jacking RHA have their own agenda, to get truck parking at any cost provided for their members by anyone else to save their members paying for it.

EssexTrafficSgt:
Thank you in advance…

No problem, try smashing you’re head against a brick wall. Oh or try David Pope DfT freight liaison. The peeps at Ashford Truckstop in your neck of the woods can confirm their DfT contacts if you ever go in there.
There are other people available but it is a mixture between advertising and planning regulations/legislation and byelaws etc.

[pierrot_14]

Have they suddenly moved Ashford truck stop to Essex

[speedyguy]

pierrot 14:
Have they suddenly moved Ashford truck stop to Essex

Nice input
Read the posts

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police, working primarily in the South of the county around the M25 borders.

From what i gather Essex is next to Kent, bearing in mind he works in the south of the county and around the M25 they probably speak to Kent police and work the same motorways, As inferred by earlier posts and dumb-■■■/ignorant truck drivers parking behind bridge parapets etc

Speedyguy:
Oh or try David Pope DfT freight liaison. The peeps at Ashford Truckstop in your neck of the woods can confirm their DfT contacts if you ever go in there.

From someone 200 miles away who has spoken to all those mentioned, i don’t see why it would be too difficult (apart from your small brain processing it ) for someone ‘next door’ to pop in or make a phone call.

[martin]

GORDON 50:
Interesting stuff here…not sure if the OP is a genuine cop or not but all things seem to say that he (or she) is, if so then as above, individual coppers don’t make laws and are only acting under instruction from above, which is where any grievances against the police should be directed.
As for budget cuts, yeah, it is having an effect on policing but the police forces themselves could stop wasting money and tighten their belts when it comes to unnecessary spending, like replacing all 4 tyres on a police car simply because it gets a puncture (I heard this from a serving copper who is a friend of a friend), and no doubt other OTT outgoings which totally unnecessary.

There are very good reasons for replacing all 4 tyres when one has a puncture, on a high performance car that is used at high speeds it is important that all 4 tyres are the same, have one that has more tread or a different balance could be suicidal when doing 150mph is a police chase…
That’s why F1 cars always have tyres in sets of 4!

[raymundo]

Wonder what they do with the three remaining good tyres, could do with a few spares capable of doing 150 + mph ■■?

[robroy]

EssexTrafficSgt:
As for the money in the coffers reference, i really am sick of getting this flung at us so will add it very clearly here - THE POLICE DON’T GET ANY OF THE MONEY FROM FINE - NOTHING, NADA, ZIP - THE MONEY GOES DIRECT TO THE TREASURY AND ISN’T LINKED TO OUR BUDGETS IN ANY WAY OR ANY OTHER INCENTIVE. As officers we also get no bonus or performance related incentive either way (which is why some officers simply move them on without any ticket however that won’t provide any deterrent and they will be back again the next day.

So i can be absolutely sure, please confirm exactly what it is those of you who want us to deal with the parking under bridges want us to do - if you want us to catch and deal with them (rather than “rushing past”) then that is exactly what i have said, if you want us to just ask them politely to move on so as not to help the Gov coffers, then this is entirely pointless and will solve nothing.

Who said it did exactly??
It’s totally irrelavent that the money does not go to fund the Police…God help us btw if it ever does go that way.
You are Civil Servants, the money goes to the Government, I fully understand that.
My grievance is that you have gone from law enforcers, crime fighters and preventers to tax collectors, ignoring real problems suffered by the public, but instead prioritising on situations that will raise revenue.
So like you I am also sick…, Sick of hearing about crime numbers being dished out like confetti, instead of investigations, sick of random situations of example, like my young lad getting assaulted at a traffic light when a Police car was sat 100 yds away but didn’t see it, but managed to nick him 10 mins later for having a noisy exhaust as he drove home to sort his cut lip.
These are the sort of things that ■■■■ most of us off.

I aint having a personal go at YOU mate, but you represent an organisation that needs to go back to basic values and remember the reason it is there.

To get back on thread, you asked what I would want you to do about bridge parking and that you are inundated with… truckers complaining.
I aint one of them as it’s none of my ■■■■ business, so since you ask, here’s my radical suggestion…
Why not kick the billboards and msa sliproad/bridge parking into touch, and spend your time more productively as a bit of PR, by having one of your famous ‘purges’ on catching those low life ■■■■ bags who make me sleep with one eye open all night wondering if my load or fuel is about to get nicked.

I don’t expect an answer by the way as I notice you tend to side swipe any important relavent (and evidently uncomfortable) points I put to you.

[andrewg]

raymundo:
Wonder what they do with the three remaining good tyres, could do with a few spares capable of doing 150 + mph ■■?

Likely bin them. Some 4x4’s with electronically controlled gearboxes have to have tyres replaced in pairs (some like Audis Q7 all four) as the rolling radius of a worn tyre will obviously be smaller than a new one and this can cause damage to the box even though it is just a few mm.

[gordon_50]

EssexTrafficSgt:

pierrot 14:

GORDON 50:
Interesting stuff here…not sure if the OP is a genuine cop or not but all things seem to say that he (or she) is, if so then as above, individual coppers don’t make laws and are only acting under instruction from above, which is where any grievances against the police should be directed.
As for budget cuts, yeah, it is having an effect on policing but the police forces themselves could stop wasting money and tighten their belts when it comes to unnecessary spending, like replacing all 4 tyres on a police car simply because it gets a puncture (I heard this from a serving copper who is a friend of a friend), and no doubt other OTT outgoings which totally unnecessary.

Yeah, heard this from my mate too.

Well i can assure you this doesn’t happen in Essex, we also repair/plug when appropriate (not very often due to speed/risk)

Fair enough, maybe my mates mate was talking high performance cars as mentioned earlier. As for your original question, yes, dumped trailers have caused me a few problems over the years, so too have badly parked cars, but with cars you don’t know what it was like when THEY pulled into the layby and vehicles around them pulled away after.
It all boils down to lack of parking, specially when we HAVE to stop by law, as also mentioned previously, looking for a night out spot can take 2 or 3 goes, and if you do get lucky on the first go and find a slot to park in, you may still have an hour or so driving left which the boss will pick up on and ask why you finished early.
I think it needs sorting out at government level otherwise county councils will just keep passing the problem on.

[chrisg46]

Fascinating thread, and very entertaining - if nothing much to do with the original question asked.

I was quite surprised to see the query, essentially because a few minutes reading should have shown the officer that nothing much is taken seriously here . . .