Police research into Lay-by parking

Terry T:

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police

Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath…

Come around the 406 for the first time in a while last night, and was surprised at how many “overnighting trucks” there were on the approach to ■■■■■■■■ street (Angel Edmonton Tunnel)

At least the bloody tunnel was open at 3am for a change! :unamused:

Winseer:
Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath:
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As Robroy earlier posted, why does it bother you? I have two main criteria in my life; “does it impact on my life in either a positive or negative way?” If the answer to either is no then I ignore it. Life is way too short and vastly way too precious to worry about things that affect me in no way whatsoever.

the maoster:

Winseer:
Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath:

As Robroy earlier posted, why does it bother you? I have two main criteria in my life; “does it impact on my life in either a positive or negative way?” If the answer to either is no then I ignore it. Life is way too short and vastly way too precious to worry about things that affect me in no way whatsoever.

Exactly mate, too many old women and fannies on the job fussing about stuff that has no bearing on their lives.
Why does it not surprise me Mr Winseer is one of them.
Mind your own ■■■■ business I say, and if you can’t and it bothers you Soooooo much :unamused: , join the Old Bill,…apparently they’re under manned according to our mate on traffic. :bulb:
Jeeez H. :unamused:

robroy:

the maoster:

Winseer:
Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath:

As Robroy earlier posted, why does it bother you? I have two main criteria in my life; “does it impact on my life in either a positive or negative way?” If the answer to either is no then I ignore it. Life is way too short and vastly way too precious to worry about things that affect me in no way whatsoever.

Exactly mate, too many old women and fannies on the job fussing about stuff that has no bearing on their lives.
Why does it not surprise me Mr Winseer is one of them.
Mind your own [zb] business I say, and if you can’t and it bothers you Soooooo much :unamused: , join the Old Bill,…apparently they’re under manned according to our mate on traffic. :bulb:
Jeeez H. :unamused:

Why does it bother you that it bothers him? That’s what bothers me… :neutral_face: :smiley:

Reef:

robroy:

the maoster:

Winseer:
Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath:

As Robroy earlier posted, why does it bother you? I have two main criteria in my life; “does it impact on my life in either a positive or negative way?” If the answer to either is no then I ignore it. Life is way too short and vastly way too precious to worry about things that affect me in no way whatsoever.

Exactly mate, too many old women and fannies on the job fussing about stuff that has no bearing on their lives.
Why does it not surprise me Mr Winseer is one of them.
Mind your own [zb] business I say, and if you can’t and it bothers you Soooooo much :unamused: , join the Old Bill,…apparently they’re under manned according to our mate on traffic. :bulb:
Jeeez H. :unamused:

Why does it bother you that it bothers him? That’s what bothers me… :neutral_face: :smiley:

Dunno mate …not bothered. :smiley:

robroy:
Dunno mate …not bothered. :smiley:

:laughing:

Dipper_Dave:

chloelovesfur:
Was thinking of putting an advert for myself in a layby, on a big mobile hording, thinking twice about it now :grimacing:

I know what you mean, I had a post drafted about the dangers of trying to get in a tight one when approaching to fast or the risk of someone going in your back doors if entering to slow.

A good point though, since the demise of phone boxes where can ladies who offer truckers some temporary companionship advertise.

Oh and where are you tonight… ■■

Errrrrrr hang on Mr Dipper Davie, did I say my mobile advertising hording was for companionship ? Could have been for my multi national (its a secret) conglomerate ?

Calm your passion young man !!! :blush: :grimacing:

I can only apologise for my previousness, it appears in my rush for some companionship I have spoke out of turn. I look forward to looking into your ‘conglomerate’ at a future date.

Regarding laybys perhaps on upon their initial conception some thought could be taken into the width of the bloody things as the narrow ones are not only unfit for purpose but a bloody danger to society.

Lighting the laybys would also be a good idea to deter the diesel fairy’s a bit, also help Chloe find my truck as last night I ended up with Colin by mistake. Quite good company to be fair.

Terry T:

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police

Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

We do, frequently, however as with most other moans about us if someone like you doesn’t see us do it, i.e. passing in the 20-30mins it takes then they assume we don’t do it. Its the same for people moaning they never see Police cars patrolling their area - unless they happen to look at the window in the minute we are passing their house they assume we are never there.

Also, when dealing with these we usually tuck in close at the front, to the nearside and without lights as we want to be subtle so as not to warn any others who pull in behind for a break meaning we get a 2 for 1 deal :slight_smile:

We are well aware its a problem which is why all the multi-language metal signs went up at great expense, to support our enforcement and prevent the “i didn’t know” excuse. We then use a VERY expensive telephone interpreter service for any foreign drivers and it takes 2 times as long as dealing with an English speaker but still quite simple and we still do it, the only difference being if they don’t have a UK address they have to pay on the spot (usually £100=3pts but can be £30 only if they have only just stopped, or more if there are other infringements) and if they don’t have a valid card (or can’t get one from a boss) we take them to a cash machine or clamp them at J31 services until they can pay, with an additional £80 on top.

The bridge at the top of the hill coming from J27 on the A track towards J28 (known as ‘Skinners’) is a common one and I have before had 5 at once - there were 3 in a row so I parked at the front and started at the back, in the time it took to deal with the 3 (plus payments and interpreters) another 2 had joined the party)

The main issue with all of this goes back to not being enough of us to patrol the motorways as we used to, with time to deal with these - usually we only see them when on our way to a RTC or other job (which won’t necessarily be on blue lights as it might be pressing, so we don’t have time to stop but not urgent enough for a blue light run.

robroy:

Terry T:

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police

Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

Why does it bother you exactly, is it that you would want to park there?..I’m bloody sure I wouldn’t.
Those guys don’t matter a crap to me as it has [zb] all to do with me. :bulb:
There is more important crap about this job that concerns me more.

Firstly its dangerous (and many park without lights) as sometimes a car will take avoiding action for something ahead like debris, or a vehicle braking and swerve onto the hard shoulder not expecting a lorry to be there - we have seen this very thing and when the car saw several units there he tried to swerve back and hit the bull nose of the barrier, with severe injuries.

Secondly, it blocks the emergency route for us - when the motorway is blocked up due to a large accident or other incident, we will frequently see 30-40 of you (because it is often UK trucks of all companies so likely to be some of the members on here) meaning we can’t sail past everyone to get to the incident and actually clear/deal with it - the same applies to Highways and recovery trucks who can’t squeeze through gaps we can so this problem (which includes one or two parking under a bridge for tacho break) adds to the delays.

Winseer:

Terry T:

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police

Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath…

Come around the 406 for the first time in a while last night, and was surprised at how many “overnighting trucks” there were on the approach to ■■■■■■■■ street (Angel Edmonton Tunnel)

At least the bloody tunnel was open at 3am for a change! :unamused:

…and why exactly do you think we are driving at speed? We are either going to an incident or potentially trying to catch up with a vehicle of interest ahead (which could mean no lights). It could also be someone from another force area getting to a deployment, or a local non-traffic car who wouldn’t be trained or allowed to stop and deal with these.

You basically imply we pass by when we aren’t doing anything else but can’t be bothered to stop and deal. Thanks for that.

Why is it every time you lot get criticised you wheel out the same wheelbarrow of crap?

Police cuts…

The reason the flip flops park under bridges is because you cannot be arsed to do anything about it. I’ve personally witnessed cops going past them on more than one occasion. Must have been on their way to a job…

It’s also been mentioned on here about diesel theft. Fat lot of good a crime reference number is when you’ve had a screwdriver through your tanks.

Pointless contacting you lot for anything, you never turn up. Yet you come on here asking for help :unamused:

EssexTrafficSgt:

Terry T:

EssexTrafficSgt:
I am a Road Policing Sgt with Essex Police

Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

We do, frequently, however as with most other moans about us if someone like you doesn’t see us do it, i.e. passing in the 20-30mins it takes then they assume we don’t do it. Its the same for people moaning they never see Police cars patrolling their area - unless they happen to look at the window in the minute we are passing their house they assume we are never there.

Also, when dealing with these we usually tuck in close at the front, to the nearside and without lights as we want to be subtle so as not to warn any others who pull in behind for a break meaning we get a 2 for 1 deal :slight_smile:

We are well aware its a problem which is why all the multi-language metal signs went up at great expense, to support our enforcement and prevent the “i didn’t know” excuse. We then use a VERY expensive telephone interpreter service for any foreign drivers and it takes 2 times as long as dealing with an English speaker but still quite simple and we still do it, the only difference being if they don’t have a UK address they have to pay on the spot (usually £100=3pts but can be £30 only if they have only just stopped, or more if there are other infringements) and if they don’t have a valid card (or can’t get one from a boss) we take them to a cash machine or clamp them at J31 services until they can pay, with an additional £80 on top.

The bridge at the top of the hill coming from J27 on the A track towards J28 (known as ‘Skinners’) is a common one and I have before had 5 at once - there were 3 in a row so I parked at the front and started at the back, in the time it took to deal with the 3 (plus payments and interpreters) another 2 had joined the party)

The main issue with all of this goes back to not being enough of us to patrol the motorways as we used to, with time to deal with these - usually we only see them when on our way to a RTC or other job (which won’t necessarily be on blue lights as it might be pressing, so we don’t have time to stop but not urgent enough for a blue light run.

Im afraid your post isnt up the current standards here.
No insults, no ranting about your problems, just responding to a point.
Sorry, Ive no real input to your original post, except to repeat whats already been said, not enough proper parking anywhere for trucks in the UK.
Good luck with trying to help anyway.

Hi EssexTrafficSgt,

Thanks for the explanations.
Many of us appreciate the effort that you’re going to in order post and do your research on here, but there are some who can’t see further than the end of their noses, or just want to have an off-topic moan.

:bulb: Empty vessels make the most noise, for whom I apologise. :wink:

dieseldave:
Hi EssexTrafficSgt,

Thanks for the explanations.
Many of us appreciate the effort that you’re going to in order post and do your research on here, but there are some who can’t see further than the end of their noses, or just want to have an off-topic moan.

:bulb: Empty vessels make the most noise, for whom I apologise. :wink:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

eagerbeaver:
Why is it every time you lot get criticised you wheel out the same wheelbarrow of crap?

Police cuts…

The reason the flip flops park under bridges is because you cannot be arsed to do anything about it. I’ve personally witnessed cops going past them on more than one occasion. Must have been on their way to a job…

It’s also been mentioned on here about diesel theft. Fat lot of good a crime reference number is when you’ve had a screwdriver through your tanks.

Pointless contacting you lot for anything, you never turn up. Yet you come on here asking for help :unamused:

There is clearly no reasoning with you - to try and put it in an example you may understand how about you lose 15-20% of your drivers but are expected to deliver more loads? If you can take the chip off your shoulder and have a sensible conversation (preferably without the ‘flip flop’ comments) then I’ll try and answer any points as I have others.

I appreciate this has gone off topic, however other than a few helpful comments, for which I am grateful, the topic seems to have changed to I am either a troll (yet not actually doing anything trolls do), or I am in fact who I say I am so cue lots of moans about Police - to be honest life is too short, I knew I would get all the Daily Mail comments but really didn’t expect it to be so overwhelmingly negative - I was genuinely trying to help but life it too short for all of this so i’ll answer any posts after this over the weekend to allow for any Mon-Fri drivers who may actually contribiute then politely withdraw.

the maoster:

Winseer:
Great. When are you going to start fining drivers for parking under bridges on the M25 ?

:laughing: Hear Hear. Gets on my ■■■■ that, when you see cop cars driving straight past in lane 4 doing over a ton, whilst successive bridges have each got a johnny foreigner or three parked underneath:

As Robroy earlier posted, why does it bother you? I have two main criteria in my life; “does it impact on my life in either a positive or negative way?” If the answer to either is no then I ignore it. Life is way too short and vastly way too precious to worry about things that affect me in no way whatsoever.
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This, a hundred times this. We all have enough going on in our own lives to worry about without wasting energy on nonsense like this

I knew you’d opened a can of worms posting on here sarge, hope the experience hasn’t altered your views on truckers too much! :grimacing:

TiredAndEmotional:
I knew you’d opened a can of worms posting on here sarge, hope the experience hasn’t altered your views on truckers too much! :grimacing:

I don’t suppose he was under any illusions, we are after all a reflection of society in general, warts and all :neutral_face: