If they want to make things better would rather sign a petition for better planning not faster speeds too ■■■■ dangerous.
Be a planners christmas oh look joe blogs can go quicker let’s dump more crap on him so your doing more work “faster”.
No ta very much 52 is fast enough thank you please 
NO THANKS… I do my nights work in ten hours… why would I want to do it in nine and lose an hours pay each night ■■?
Ditch the limiter ■■? No bloody way as there’s enough nutters doing 50 without letting them loose to do over 70, think the poster has fallen out of his tree and landed on his head !! 
MAWCOURIERS:
.A driver could theoretically drive an exra 100 - 112 miles per working day
Which, as anyone with the most basic understanding of transport will confirm, would simply push wages downwards so you were doing more work for less money, as happened every time maximum gross weights have risen.
Harry Monk:
MAWCOURIERS:
.A driver could theoretically drive an exra 100 - 112 miles per working dayWhich, as anyone with the most basic understanding of transport will confirm, would simply push wages downwards so you were doing more work for less money, as happened every time maximum gross weights have risen.
Or to look at it another way compare the pathetic productivety increase provided by the token increase from 32t to 44t gross against inflation and fuel costs and with it profitability v costs increases in real terms over that period.On that note we don’t seem to have heard the same type of wage isssues regarding Dutch or Scandinavian drivers over the same period.Who by your logic would have been a lot worse off than their UK,let alone East Euro,counterparts. 
While the speed mileage issue is more a matter of driver solidarity in turning any average speed increase in a return to at least 60 mph running,into less hours at work and more time at home.
Trukkertone:
NO THANKS… I do my nights work in ten hours… why would I want to do it in nine and lose an hours pay each night ■■?
The reality is that as average speeds and payloads ( productivety ) reduce in real terms v costs the hourly wage rate just reduces in line with it to reflect that.So you work more hours for the same,if not less,hourly rate in real terms.As opposed to vice versa.
Trukkertone:
NO THANKS… I do my nights work in ten hours… why would I want to do it in nine and lose an hours pay each night ■■?
One hour a night, five nights a week, there’s £50 a week gone. £200 a month, £2400 a year. Gone. Once you loose it, you never get it back. I’m with Trukkertone on this one. Put it as a trampers point of view. Getting back to the yard every night and travelling home and back in the morning. Not only is the overtime lost but it’s now costing to travel and night out allowance.
Any response from MAWCOURIERS yet about the most stupid comment of the year?
Apart from the person who started the petition, only three people have signed it in 24 hours, and considering there have been 1,300 views of this thread, I’d say there isn’t a great deal of support for the idea.
As for myself, if I worked in a sausage factory and there was sign on the wall saying “Only make 56 sausages an hour” then why would I petition to be allowed to make more?
I did nearly 70mph down that big hill on the A34 last week and it felt like I was going to take off 
Wouldn’t fancy doing that constantly to be honest. Back in the 80s though that was cruising speed and the F12s and F16s would leave you for dust.
Harry Monk:
Apart from the person who started the petition, only three people have signed it in 24 hours, and considering there have been 1,300 views of this thread, I’d say there isn’t a great deal of support for the idea.As for myself, if I worked in a sausage factory and there was sign on the wall saying “Only make 56 sausages an hour” then why would I petition to be allowed to make more?
To be fair a 70 mph limit for 40 tonne + trucks is a joke in which the risk/costs/rewards equation doesn’t add up.While 60 mph + a bit to spare if/when needed to get overtakes done quicker is fine.In which case what’s wrong with a 60 mph limit no limiters under present conditions of 10% + 2 mph tolerance after that means loss of licence no ifs no buts.
As for the sausage factory if we’re saying let’s improve the capacity and speed of the machinery so we can turn out more sausages and earn more money per hour and work less hours per week what’s not to like. 
If three or four sausages collided somehow I dont think the carnage caused would be quite as bad as three or four trucks colliding at 70 mph +
Limited to 70 or unlimited to 60 mph +10% + 2 mph would only drop the max by 2 mph to 68 so not much difference is there ?
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Apart from the person who started the petition, only three people have signed it in 24 hours, and considering there have been 1,300 views of this thread, I’d say there isn’t a great deal of support for the idea.As for myself, if I worked in a sausage factory and there was sign on the wall saying “Only make 56 sausages an hour” then why would I petition to be allowed to make more?
To be fair a 70 mph limit for 40 tonne + trucks is a joke in which the risk/costs/rewards equation doesn’t add up.While 60 mph + a bit to spare if/when needed to get overtakes done quicker is fine.In which case what’s wrong with a 60 mph limit no limiters under present conditions of 10% + 2 mph tolerance after that means loss of licence no ifs no buts.
But if everybody has the bit more to spare, they’ll be a fair proportion who’ll be using it all the time, so no difference in the overtaking time when you get 2 of them side by side.
Carryfast:
As for the sausage factory if we’re saying let’s improve the capacity and speed of the machinery so we can turn out more sausages and earn more money per hour and work less hours per week what’s not to like.
But if all the sausage factories have the same machine, the price of sausages will fall, but the pay won’t go up and the hours won’t go down.
raymundo:
If three or four sausages collided
I’d call that a gay ■■■■■■■■! 
Its all very well saying do the limiter away with to leave a bit spare for overtaking but when you have guys who have the brass neck to post on here looking for ways to get out of a speeding fine because they’ve been caught doing 50mph in a 40 zone, do you really think they’ll stick to 60mph if the truck can do 70mph+? Not a chance. They’ll have the foot down, flat to the mat and some of them would at some point no doubt cause utter carnage.
Even if the limit WERE to be raised, it would be brought back down pretty quickly the first time some ■■■■■■■■ ploughed 44 tonnes into a line of stationary traffic at 70mph.
Besides which, you could raise the speed limit to 100mph and the elephant races would STILL happen as some people just HAVE to get past if they have 0.0005mph extra
The funny thing about speed is it gives a false sense of security, back in the day when 65+ was the norm to complete an overtake elephant racing was less well known, yes it still happened but not to the extent of day.
Blimey I remember seeing a wobblebox ahead and preping for an overtake, now the buggers overtake me all the time.
That said pulling at 65 like in the old days is worlds apart from being pushed at 65 when coasting now. So 70mph is a terrible idea (we are talking ■■■■■■■ on a bloke territory here) for the current crop of drivers who drive amongst us.
FFS 56 was the speed we used to reduce to when things got a bit windy, now the buggers cant even stay upright at this speed.
As far as sausages go the more you can make the more the gaffers will want you to make. The worker on the front line will find speed is not his freind.
Luckily for me I only have a chipolata to worry about.
raymundo:
If three or four sausages collided somehow I dont think the carnage caused would be quite as bad as three or four trucks colliding at 70 mph +Limited to 70 or unlimited to 60 mph +10% + 2 mph would only drop the max by 2 mph to 68 so not much difference is there ?
I think you missed the point I’m not saying increase the limit to 68 mph.It’s if you’re caught at 68mph or above you lose your licence no ifs no buts which isn’t exactly the same thing.It’s obvious in that environment no one with any sense is going to run at more than 65 mph max with the win win situation that we also get rid of elephant racing.While as I said we didn’t have pre limiter motorways strewn with the wreckage of multiple 70 mph truck crashes then so why would that be any different now.Especially with what amounts to a much stricter speed regime than we had then while at the same time keeping all the benefits.
muckles:
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Apart from the person who started the petition, only three people have signed it in 24 hours, and considering there have been 1,300 views of this thread, I’d say there isn’t a great deal of support for the idea.As for myself, if I worked in a sausage factory and there was sign on the wall saying “Only make 56 sausages an hour” then why would I petition to be allowed to make more?
To be fair a 70 mph limit for 40 tonne + trucks is a joke in which the risk/costs/rewards equation doesn’t add up.While 60 mph + a bit to spare if/when needed to get overtakes done quicker is fine.In which case what’s wrong with a 60 mph limit no limiters under present conditions of 10% + 2 mph tolerance after that means loss of licence no ifs no buts.
But if everybody has the bit more to spare, they’ll be a fair proportion who’ll be using it all the time, so no difference in the overtaking time when you get 2 of them side by side.
Carryfast:
As for the sausage factory if we’re saying let’s improve the capacity and speed of the machinery so we can turn out more sausages and earn more money per hour and work less hours per week what’s not to like.But if all the sausage factories have the same machine, the price of sausages will fall, but the pay won’t go up and the hours won’t go down.
If we increase the limit to 60 mph with a bit to spare for overtakes why would those running at less than 90 kmh now suddenly all want to run at 60 mph ?.
As for the sausage factory if we’re using the extra productivety to produce the same amount of sausages in less time and at less cost and demand remains the same how does that create a fall in sausage prices.Having said that ‘some’ of the increase in productivety ‘can’ be used to reduce prices in which case the usual result is that demand increases.Hence the reason why Scandinavian drivers weren’t/aren’t earning less than Brits either at 32t gross or 44t.
Carryfast:
raymundo:
If three or four sausages collided somehow I dont think the carnage caused would be quite as bad as three or four trucks colliding at 70 mph +Limited to 70 or unlimited to 60 mph +10% + 2 mph would only drop the max by 2 mph to 68 so not much difference is there ?
I think you missed the point I’m not saying increase the limit to 68 mph.It’s if you’re caught at 68mph or above you lose your licence no ifs no buts which isn’t exactly the same thing.It’s obvious in that environment no one with any sense is going to run at more than 65 mph max with the win win situation that we also get rid of elephant racing.While as I said we didn’t have pre limiter motorways strewn with the wreckage of multiple 70 mph truck crashes then so why would that be any different now.Especially with what amounts to a much stricter speed regime than we had then while at the same time keeping all the benefits.
If nobody with any sense would go above 65 then surely you’ll still get 2 trucks trying to get past each desperately trying not to go above 65 but not willing to back off. And if the tolerance was 68 mph you’d still have plenty at 68 the same way plenty of people used to run max on the limiter on Dual Carriageway before the limit was raised.
Carryfast:
muckles:
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Apart from the person who started the petition, only three people have signed it in 24 hours, and considering there have been 1,300 views of this thread, I’d say there isn’t a great deal of support for the idea.As for myself, if I worked in a sausage factory and there was sign on the wall saying “Only make 56 sausages an hour” then why would I petition to be allowed to make more?
To be fair a 70 mph limit for 40 tonne + trucks is a joke in which the risk/costs/rewards equation doesn’t add up.While 60 mph + a bit to spare if/when needed to get overtakes done quicker is fine.In which case what’s wrong with a 60 mph limit no limiters under present conditions of 10% + 2 mph tolerance after that means loss of licence no ifs no buts.
But if everybody has the bit more to spare, they’ll be a fair proportion who’ll be using it all the time, so no difference in the overtaking time when you get 2 of them side by side.
Carryfast:
As for the sausage factory if we’re saying let’s improve the capacity and speed of the machinery so we can turn out more sausages and earn more money per hour and work less hours per week what’s not to like.But if all the sausage factories have the same machine, the price of sausages will fall, but the pay won’t go up and the hours won’t go down.
If we increase the limit to 60 mph with a bit to spare for overtakes why would those running at less than 90 kmh now suddenly all want to run at 60 mph ?.
According to you it would increase productivity and therefore their company’s would want them to run at the limit, of course some would still run a couple of clicks under to give them a margin, but many would be on the limit.
Carryfast:
As for the sausage factory if we’re using the extra productivety to produce the same amount of sausages for less cost and demand remains the same how does that create a fall in sausage prices.Having said that ‘some’ of the increase in productivety ‘can’ be used to reduce prices in which case the usual result is that demand increases.Hence the reason why Scandinavian drivers weren’t/aren’t earning less than Brits either at 32t gross or 44t.
Because there are lots of sausage factories chasing a finite demand, so price is dictated by the customer, if somebody offers a lower rate they get the work.
I’m under the impression that a lot of Scandinavian haulage, especially international, is now done by East Europeans. because even Scandinavian companies want cheap sausages.
why limit it to 70mph ?
how about also upping the daily driving to 18 hours, 7 days a week, and giving special dispensation to hauliers so that they can pay their drivers half of the minimum wage.