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Maybe this should be merged with the Brexit Benefits Thread ■■
robroy:
Is it actually legal to sack somebody with no real reason, let alone instantly with no notice period, (unless of course they are going into liquidation,.which afaik ain’t so.)
Are they not in a Union that would fight a legal case for them, or at least get them some sort of severance payment.
Just another example of how we have gone back 100 years in terms of worker’s basic rights and fairness to employees.
I heard on radio today that Union solicitors are building a case against p&o
whisperingsmith:
Maybe this should be merged with the Brexit Benefits Thread ■■
Ah c’mon, even for the most rabid remainer that’s a bit of a stretch surely? 
If I was still in my previous office role, no way would I book with P&O.
As for loss making, just increase the rates by the necessary amount…
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msgyorkie:
robroy:
Is it actually legal to sack somebody with no real reason, let alone instantly with no notice period, (unless of course they are going into liquidation,.which afaik ain’t so.)
Are they not in a Union that would fight a legal case for them, or at least get them some sort of severance payment.
Just another example of how we have gone back 100 years in terms of worker’s basic rights and fairness to employees.I heard on radio today that Union solicitors are building a case against p&o
Basically if the job still exists it’s not redundancy and finding a lower bidder to do the job isn’t an excuse or every employer would be invoking getting a lower bid for anyone’s job.
the maoster:
whisperingsmith:
Maybe this should be merged with the Brexit Benefits Thread ■■Ah c’mon, even for the most rabid remainer that’s a bit of a stretch surely?
French workers enjoy greater protection than their British colleagues thanks to the Code du Travail (labour code).
The Code du Travail is an enormous doorstep of a document that covers everything from eating lunch at your desk to having ■■■ with a stranger on a business trip – (and how bosses can get rid of their workers) 
I guess driving a wagon counts as a business trip ■■?
robroy:
Star down under.:
peterm:
whisperingsmith:
This is serious CarryfastPlease STFU on things you know nothing about:-
You have never driven an HGV onto a ferry to mainland Europe (or probably never done a proper day’s work)
Many of us here have not only regularly used ferries with our wagons, BUT also are/were skilled Seafarers/Officers/Captains before driving wagons into Europe.
Silly boy. Don’t you know that experienced people talking just bounces off cf and turns on the ‘even more BS’ tap.
That ‘even more’ tap lacks an upper limit. I wonder if there is any subject your mate doesn’t consider himself an expert in.
When I go on ‘Who want’s to be a millionaire’’ I’ve got Carryfast down as my ‘‘Phone a friend’’.
I’m no fool.
Love it ROB ^^^^^^ 
toonsy:
robroy:
Is it actually legal to sack somebody with no real reason, let alone instantly with no notice period, (unless of course they are going into liquidation,.which afaik ain’t so.)
Are they not in a Union that would fight a legal case for them, or at least get them some sort of severance payment.
Just another example of how we have gone back 100 years in terms of worker’s basic rights and fairness to employees.Yes but the Conservatives are the party of the workers. And as they’re after oil from the Arab states its unlikely they’ll say much about it.
They even essentially paid a ransom of £400m the other day to release two people, something that as a country we say we never do any doesn’t set a great precedent for any future UK detentions… Yes it was a debt but when it’s paid to release prisoners it becomes a ransom IMO.On the original point… yes they can he sacked on the spot but they must be paid in lieu of notice. I heard on the radio earlier they’ll be getting 13 weeks pay plus two weeks pay for each year of service so there is a severance package there, it was just done in a very cold very calculated and extremely insensitive way.
But hey its allowed as the government have repeatedly failed to get involved and those so-called ‘fire and rehire’ procedures are still permitted
Not quite right are you??
I wont go into all the details, but it was actually money received by the UK gov many, many years ago,
for arms, paid by the Shah of Iran,
but they actually never received the goods due to a complete change in the infrastructure of the Iranian regime,
i.e. no more Shah
robroy:
Star down under.:
peterm:
whisperingsmith:
This is serious CarryfastPlease STFU on things you know nothing about:-
You have never driven an HGV onto a ferry to mainland Europe (or probably never done a proper day’s work)
Many of us here have not only regularly used ferries with our wagons, BUT also are/were skilled Seafarers/Officers/Captains before driving wagons into Europe.
Silly boy. Don’t you know that experienced people talking just bounces off cf and turns on the ‘even more BS’ tap.
That ‘even more’ tap lacks an upper limit. I wonder if there is any subject your mate doesn’t consider himself an expert in.
When I go on ‘Who want’s to be a millionaire’’ I’ve got Carryfast down as my ‘‘Phone a friend’’.
I’m no fool.
I hope you never need that lifeline, the episodes are only half an hour and they want fact, not BS. Good luck on your mission, though.
pierrot 14:
toonsy:
robroy:
Is it actually legal to sack somebody with no real reason, let alone instantly with no notice period, (unless of course they are going into liquidation,.which afaik ain’t so.)
Are they not in a Union that would fight a legal case for them, or at least get them some sort of severance payment.
Just another example of how we have gone back 100 years in terms of worker’s basic rights and fairness to employees.Yes but the Conservatives are the party of the workers. And as they’re after oil from the Arab states its unlikely they’ll say much about it.
They even essentially paid a ransom of £400m the other day to release two people, something that as a country we say we never do any doesn’t set a great precedent for any future UK detentions… Yes it was a debt but when it’s paid to release prisoners it becomes a ransom IMO.On the original point… yes they can he sacked on the spot but they must be paid in lieu of notice. I heard on the radio earlier they’ll be getting 13 weeks pay plus two weeks pay for each year of service so there is a severance package there, it was just done in a very cold very calculated and extremely insensitive way.
But hey its allowed as the government have repeatedly failed to get involved and those so-called ‘fire and rehire’ procedures are still permitted
Not quite right are you??
I wont go into all the details, but it was actually money received by the UK gov many, many years ago,
for arms, paid by the Shah of Iran,
but they actually never received the goods due to a complete change in the infrastructure of the Iranian regime,
i.e. no more Shah
Absolutely. And also a debt that had been proven by Iran through international courts - it was cut and dried thatvwe owed them the money.
And have done for 40odd years.
So using “now” to pay it sort of makes it a ransom does it not? The only difference being was it was a case of ‘pay us what you owe us’ for something in return instead of a ‘give us random money’ etc.
If someone owed me £400 million I’d be tempted to ■■■■■■ his wife until he paid up.
Well done lads page 2 an already off topic
whisperingsmith:
looks like the Brexit fire of red tape has enabled P&O to do this to their British Staff.Luckily for the French & other EU employees, they can’t be treated the same way as Brits as EU employment law still applies to P&O’s EU employees.
When this happened to Irish Ferries 15 odd years ago were Ireland in or out of the EU at the time?
Edit to add there are no Irish staff on the Dublin to Liverpool service to sack why? Because they were all replaced by Philipinos at least 20 years ago P&O are about 15-20 years behind the other ferry companies when it comes to cheap staff
whisperingsmith:
the maoster:
whisperingsmith:
Maybe this should be merged with the Brexit Benefits Thread ■■Ah c’mon, even for the most rabid remainer that’s a bit of a stretch surely?
French workers enjoy greater protection than their British colleagues thanks to the Code du Travail (labour code).
The Code du Travail is an enormous doorstep of a document that covers everything from eating lunch at your desk to having ■■■ with a stranger on a business trip – (and how bosses can get rid of their workers)
But strangely your EU utopia didn’t want to adopt it as an EU rule.Probably after some lobbying by the Europhile Tories.
whisperingsmith:
the maoster:
whisperingsmith:
Maybe this should be merged with the Brexit Benefits Thread ■■Ah c’mon, even for the most rabid remainer that’s a bit of a stretch surely?
French workers enjoy greater protection than their British colleagues thanks to the Code du Travail (labour code).
The Code du Travail is an enormous doorstep of a document that covers everything from eating lunch at your desk to having ■■■ with a stranger on a business trip – (and how bosses can get rid of their workers)
I guess driving a wagon counts as a business trip ■■?
That is a domestic French labour law not a EU law. The UK has had poor labour laws for a long time even when we was in the EU. So being in or out of the EU has made no difference to the poor souls who used to work for P&O, instead it was our own weak domestic labour laws that did it in for them.
BTWit isnt just a Tory thing either as te Labour government of 1997 to 2010 had the chance to repeal and strengthen the domestic labour laws but didnt!
robroy:
When I go on ‘Who want’s to be a millionaire’’ I’ve got Carryfast down as my ‘‘Phone a friend’’.
I’m no fool.
LMFAO!..
Good one rr.
That is a domestic French labour law not a EU law. The UK has had poor labour laws for a long time even when we were in the EU. So being in or out of the EU has made no difference to the poor souls who used to work for P&O, instead it was our own weak domestic labour laws that did it in for them.
BTW it isn’t just a Tory thing either as the Labour government of 1997 to 2010 had the chance to repeal and strengthen the domestic labour laws but didn’t!
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Give it three months and it will all be forgotten, as the world moves on. The media will move on. Transport companies will go with the most economical option. If P&O cut the shipping rate to regain a business it’s just like a haulier undercutting other hauliers.
ç’est la vie
msgyorkie:
[The UK has had poor labour laws for a long time even when we was in the EU. So being in or out of the EU has made no difference to the poor souls who used to work for P&O, instead it was our own weak domestic labour laws that did it in for them.
BTWit isnt just a Tory thing either as te Labour government of 1997 to 2010 had the chance to repeal and strengthen the domestic labour laws but didnt!
Our union rights were much better before we joined the EEC/EU.Such as the closed shop, demarcation and secondary action.
But the merchant marine had arguably been allowed to go rogue to the lowest foreign bidder before that.Just like our ship building industry.
Carryfast:
whisperingsmith:
This is serious CarryfastPlease STFU on things you know nothing about:-
You have never driven an HGV onto a ferry to mainland Europe (or probably never done a proper day’s work)
Many of us here have not only regularly used ferries with our wagons, BUT also are/were skilled Seafarers/Officers/Captains before driving wagons into Europe.
Ferries also take those other things called cars and I’ve used more ferries in that regard from the North Sea routes to Scandinavia before they were closed down and the Italian Islands and the Adriatic to Yugoslavia than you would even know existed.
Wowsers, that’s some ego. So, you used some ferries, of course you know more than a European lorry driving actual former seaman. Come on Carry that’s comical even by your daft standards.