Another death in the big smoke under the wheels of a big wheeler.
Such a shame. I do notice that the article names and shames the haulier while giving not a jolt about the driver. The poor driver must be beside himself now, not just about his own future but regardless of fault, he will be blaming himself for ages.
My thoughts to the poor guy that died and and his family, also my thoughts for the driver, having been in that situation I really can empathise with what he will go through.
This is not looking good for London at all.
By the sounds of the article he was waiting half way across the lanes to get to the other side. This very much a London thing and not seen very much elsewhere. Not a good place to wait with a truck there. Seems an overly long wait to get him out. FB saying they were waiting on the say so of the ambulance people.
bazza123:
By the sounds of the article he was waiting half way across the lanes to get to the other side. This very much a London thing and not seen very much elsewhere. Not a good place to wait with a truck there. Seems an overly long wait to get him out. FB saying they were waiting on the say so of the ambulance people.
It looked like it happened at the front so maybe the typical truck waiting in traffic pedestrian walks across and then waits in front in the blindspot under the windscreen and truck moves off.Itâs difficult to understand what the advantage in waiting to free someone caught underneath in that situation would be. 
Carryfast:
bazza123:
By the sounds of the article he was waiting half way across the lanes to get to the other side. This very much a London thing and not seen very much elsewhere. Not a good place to wait with a truck there. Seems an overly long wait to get him out. FB saying they were waiting on the say so of the ambulance people.It looked like it happened at the front so maybe the typical truck waiting in traffic pedestrian walks across and then waits in front in the blindspot under the windscreen and truck moves off.Itâs difficult to understand what the advantage in waiting to free someone caught underneath in that situation would be.
Are the ambulance crew allowed to get underneath and start work on people, assuming the thing is just sat there? What do they do on the underground? I have no idea.
FFS. Second time this week theyâve just âwaitedâ and let someone die. The other day it was âover an hourâ with a (alive) cyclist trapped under the wheels before FB could turn up with heavy lifting gear. Pronounced dead by the time theyâd ârescuedâ him/her.
Sod the f*****g H&S brigade⌠itâs pretty obvious someone trapped with a truck on top of them is going to die if left there for 30, 60, or more minutes. Surely someone, needs to be able to use a bit of common sense and make the decision to say âYouâre going to be HOW long ? Ok, sod it, roll it off him slowly - otherwise this poor bugger IS going to dieâ - without the fear of being sued.
For the underground, hopefully youâll make it to the suicide pit and then await the lines to be switched off and the LU recovery team can remove said person, there was a documentary about those guys last/this year and what they do and how they do it, but thereâs only a few teams for the entirity of London.
As for not moving the vehicle off of someone, I think I remember watching one of those medial/emergency 999 programmes and it was something to do with internal bleeding and blood pressures being maintained.
Ironically the vehicle imposed on the person maybe artifically keeping their blood pressure up to keep them concscious/alive even though they are still internally bleeding, obviously if they moved the vehicle straight away that patient could lose their blood pressure immediately and hence die extremely fast.
Hence they keep the vehicle in position until they stabilse the patient and then move it when they are absoultely sure they can pull them out without causing anymore complications that has already occurred to said patient
But the fire brigade wonât move stuff until they are told to be doctorâs/paramedics as they are ultimately responsible for that patient and know the best ways of handling things with the patient. Theyâve got more experience than us in doing this, hence why they do their job and we do ours. I think the fire brigade even said that in the article!
I donât know anyone in the fire brigade, or ambulance service anymore but I could ask my cousin whoâs a traffic officer, he might know more of the technicalities.
Thoughts go out to all of those involved in that tragic incident.
C
first off, my sympathies to all concerned.
iâve only ever done the basic of basic first aid course, so not claiming to be any sort of doctor.
on the course they told us about crush syndrome and if someone has been crushed for 15 minutes or more, or you donât know how long, then you need to leave them trapped. i think they said it was something to do with you body producing a chemical that needs neutralising before youâre released, otherwise it can kill you.
they said the hardest part can often be convincing people to leave them trapped
HiyaâŚthe old days we always carried a jack, maybe it would have been usefull for this poor chap.
Very sorry for all involvedâŚAt one firm iâd worked a lorry backed over a mechanic, someone screemed
stop or simular the driver drove forwardâŚtwice the poor chap(lad of 18)was put under the pressure
of been run overâŚyes he lived but i would think heâs spent some nights awake and in pain.
John
chester:
This is not looking good for London at all.
+1
Itâs got to be the worst month on record for death Ă la large vehicle?
Iâm a london bus driver.
We are told, that, in the event of someone trapped under the bus, ONLY the ambulance service can ask for it to be moved.
Sometimes, itâs better to leave the person under the vehcile until all the resorces are in place.
Simular to if someone is stabbed, most people will pull the knife out if the attacker has left it in the victim, but that can cause more damage.
rambo19:
Iâm a london bus driver.
Commiserations.
A lot of my time is in London at the moment. And I have lost count of the number of cyclists trying to squeeze past, ride in front as I start moving. Itâs a nightmare. No matter how cautious you try to beâŚI think itâs just the law of averages before itâs my turn. 
When I did regular trips to London, people seem to see vehicles approaching, walk out in front and stand there until they can cross âsafelyâ to the other side. Itâs no wonder so many end up âcrossing to the other sideâ as the floral tributes attest to.
Chris1207:
FFS. Second time this week theyâve just âwaitedâ and let someone die. The other day it was âover an hourâ with a (alive) cyclist trapped under the wheels before FB could turn up with heavy lifting gear. Pronounced dead by the time theyâd ârescuedâ him/her.Sod the f*****g H&S brigade⌠itâs pretty obvious someone trapped with a truck on top of them is going to die if left there for 30, 60, or more minutes. Surely someone, needs to be able to use a bit of common sense and make the decision to say âYouâre going to be HOW long ? Ok, sod it, roll it off him slowly - otherwise this poor bugger IS going to dieâ - without the fear of being sued.
I hope your not around if it ever happens to me
rambo19:
Iâm a london bus driver.We are told, that, in the event of someone trapped under the bus, ONLY the ambulance service can ask for it to be moved.
Sometimes, itâs better to leave the person under the vehcile until all the resorces are in place.
Simular to if someone is stabbed, most people will pull the knife out if the attacker has left it in the victim, but that can cause more damage.
Hiya it did say the ambulance was there 1 hour before the lifting gear. going back years ago, their was a crash on
the M25 near Godstone which involved about 50 vehicles, a petrol tanker was in the crash. the petrol leaked and
caught fire to many of the vehicles⌠there was a chap in a transit trapped by his foot. no one had the guts to tie
a rope round his leg and â â â â â â his foot (possibly off)clear⌠the young man burned to death. which would you have
tried as a last resortâŚYes each job needs assesing.
John
stevieboy308:
on the course they told us about crush syndrome and if someone has been crushed for 15 minutes or more, or you donât know how long, then you need to leave them trapped. i think they said it was something to do with you body producing a chemical that needs neutralising before youâre released, otherwise it can kill you.they said the hardest part can often be convincing people to leave them trapped
Similar to suspension trauma then if you fall and remain suspended on a harness usually for that period of time 15 mins or more. That does need some very specialist rescue procedures prior to release, otherwise the toxins build up and kill you upon you being released and they have to inject you too to neutralise those toxins before they reach vital organs.
Hence why lots of scaffolders I worked with always argued about bothering to clip on or talked about just cutting themselves away before it took affect and always carried a knife.
So makes a lot of sense why they have to take their time before they âjust rollâ a vehicle off a person. I didnât think they did it just for fun and âstood aroundâ for an hour waiting for stuff to arrive etc.
Again been a dark week for London and our image. Hopefully all parties will try to remember this and have respect for each other, as much as some donât like it, we HAVE to SHARE the road space together.
Most importantly incredibly sad times for all those poor people who have died, those left behind and all the families who will have to pick up the pieces, you have my condolences.
Stay safe out there.
C
Constantine:
Again been a dark week for London and our image. Hopefully all parties will try to remember this and have respect for each other, as much as some donât like it, we HAVE to SHARE the road space together.C
The fact is itâs not going to help the situation for vulnerable road users like pedestrians and cyclists to be put in the false sense of security that drivers can do much more than they are already doing in most cases.We need to get back to the pre PC situation in which vulnerable road user groups are told exactly where they stand in regards to the potential danger which they are in if they are in close proximity to large vehicles at least.As opposed to them believing in the non existent,impossible,bs utopia of the eco nutters who are in charge of TFL at present.