The bit that everyone forgets with PAYE/Umbrella is the agency and company do not have to worry about AWR if you’re not PAYE.
AWR being the legislation that gives you parity of pay/benefits with the full timers, ie your clients worst nightmare.
Driver 1 - LTD or Umbrella, big fat margin for agency and no administrative complications re making sure you don’t do more than 12 weeks for same end user.
Driver 2 - PAYE. ■■■■ all margin and bureacracy galore re AWR, including you (the agency) being liable for the costs pay parity incurs.
You wonder why clients and agencies love Umbrella/Ltd Co’s?
Conor:
When was that? I started with agencies in the early 90s working full time at places. At Hygena half the night shift were agency who were in there 4/5 nights a week, week in, week out.
Grandpa:
I’m looking through the jobs and reading that there is a shortage of drivers. They (wherever I read it) say that an estimated 15% of HGV vacancies aren’t filled. I believe it. The jobs are there, from £10ph to ‘earn £800-900 a week’, there’s plenty of them. The problem is the low take home pay after everyone has dipped into it.
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So, are there really plenty of £800/900 per week jobs? Or lots of adverts for them?
And if you want less people “dipping into” your pay, are you talking of Gov tax policies?
In which case which services do you want to have less funding, so you get more in your pocket? But, although you introduced the subject, I wouldn’t want to be accused of taking this thread off topic, so ignore this question if you like.
Putting in 50-60 hours pw on agency - should easily get you that. I guess “Agency” will never be considered a “proper job” by some though - even if one can pull £500-£900 EVERY week, with a build-up of holiday pay (PAYE) to boot…
Winseer:
Putting in 50-60 hours pw on agency - should easily get you that. I guess “Agency” will never be considered a “proper job” by some though - even if one can pull £500-£900 EVERY week, with a build-up of holiday pay (PAYE) to boot…
I wouldn’t say “easily” but ok
Agency is not a “proper job” because the £500 one week can easily change to £250-350 in quiet times, bringing your average over a few months to far below that of an employed driver in whose favor you, the agency driver will be benched when there’s not enough work to go around.
Grandpa:
Here they come, the usual oddballs, like moths to a flame. [emoji38]
I can’t be arsed to look it up again, but I seem to recall you previously posting:
“Attack the post, not the poster”.
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Whether you did or didn’t, it seems a good maxim.
I wouldn’t have said anything, but every forum has its idiots. They usually come in pairs or groups. The thread is about PAYE v Umbrella. If you have nothing to add why spoil it with your usual drivel. Rjan has already arrived, you’re just short of the other one for a hat trick.
I’ve been following this all along and have made my own relevant contributions.
I must admit I detected you weren’t best pleased to hear the actual history of British employment law and casualised working, rather than your own imaginary account in which all the problems began in the 00s.
Why would I be interested in the history of British Trade Unions? The thread is about current PAYE v Umbrella, when the rot set in and why.Your ‘contributions’ are therefore not relevant’, they’re the usual expected troll like interruptions.
Grandpa:
Here they come, the usual oddballs, like moths to a flame. [emoji38]
I can’t be arsed to look it up again, but I seem to recall you previously posting:
“Attack the post, not the poster”.
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Whether you did or didn’t, it seems a good maxim.
I wouldn’t have said anything, but every forum has its idiots. They usually come in pairs or groups. The thread is about PAYE v Umbrella. If you have nothing to add why spoil it with your usual drivel. Rjan has already arrived, you’re just short of the other one for a hat trick.
I’ve been following this all along and have made my own relevant contributions.
I must admit I detected you weren’t best pleased to hear the actual history of British employment law and casualised working, rather than your own imaginary account in which all the problems began in the 00s.
Why would I be interested in the history of British Trade Unions? The thread is about current PAYE v Umbrella, when the rot set in and why.Your ‘contributions’ are therefore not relevant’, they’re the usual expected troll like interruptions.
If your posts limited themselves to factual issues you may have cause for complaint.
As you have stated, you have made comment on when and why the rot set in. Rjan and myself have only questioned or given an opinion (contrary) to your opinion.
Calling another’s comment “trolling” is not a very nice thing to do. I don’t think Rjan is particularly upset by it? I’m not. But if you choose to attack us as “oddballs” or “trolls” rather than address our posts, maybe a reasonable reader of this thread might conclude you have no argument against our points?
Franglais. You have nothing worthwhile to say on anything. Your posts and those of your fellow traveler are disruptions about the EU and a tirade about anyone with an education. This isn’t the first time you’ve disrupted a thread, it’s constant. Anywhere else that constitutes trolling. Even now you can’t stop arguing and would carry it on for pages if you get the chance. You’re one of the forums numpties Franglais, get used to it. I’ll see if there’s a way I can put you and the other one on ignore, or otherwise just ignore you both from now on. How’s that for a compromise!
toonsy:
In fairness, as an outsider, I don’t see anything wrong with what Franglais or Rjan has posted■■?
Granted Rjan can create “wall of text” syndrome which means I skip read some if his musings but honestly I’m not seeing what all the fuss is about
It’s not a fuss, it’s just a constant mainly off topic disruption. These two will argue just for the sake of it and I noticed that after only a few days here on other threads. It’s annoying at best. The thread isn’t about the Trade Unions, or me, it’s about PAYE v Umbrellas. You look down the drivers forum and they don’t have a thread between them, just a constant interruption of others and whining. Slight autism? It’s not a problem as such, I’ll just have to learn to ignore them.
If your posts limited themselves to factual issues you may have cause for complaint.
As you have stated, you have made comment on when and why the rot set in. Rjan and myself have only questioned or given an opinion (contrary) to your opinion.
Calling another’s comment “trolling” is not a very nice thing to do. I don’t think Rjan is particularly upset by it? I’m not. But if you choose to attack us as “oddballs” or “trolls” rather than address our posts, maybe a reasonable reader of this thread might conclude you have no argument against our points?
Nooo, I’m not upset, for precisely the reason that a reasonable reader may conclude that he has no arguments against our points!
He is ultimately peddling superficially plausible nonsense whilst routinely allowing the scroll of his academic CV to drop to the floor for effect, and now rather annoyed because there are others here in a position to challenge his propaganda and whose command of the matter exceeds his.
If he were interested in debate, he could simply have countered our points rather than complaining of our arrival. He hardly has the excuse, both as an academic and as someone fond of putting posts of decent length, that he does not like to read long posts.
nsmith1180:
Oh, but there are good PAYE jobs out there. I’ve just been offered £31k a year take home. OK, I have to tramp for that but its still bloody good money!
But the devil is in the detail. £31k take-home requires around £40k gross. Assuming you are putting in 65 hours a week, that’s about £11.80 per hour. Not shoddy, for sure - but doesn’t really equate with what most people would call “bloody good money” these days.
nsmith1180:
Oh, but there are good PAYE jobs out there. I’ve just been offered £31k a year take home. OK, I have to tramp for that but its still bloody good money!
But the devil is in the detail. £31k take-home requires around £40k gross. Assuming you are putting in 65 hours a week, that’s about £11.80 per hour. Not shoddy, for sure - but doesn’t really equate with what most people would call “bloody good money” these days.
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And if it includes night out money it’s even worse
nsmith1180:
Oh, but there are good PAYE jobs out there. I’ve just been offered £31k a year take home. OK, I have to tramp for that but its still bloody good money!
But the devil is in the detail. £31k take-home requires around £40k gross. Assuming you are putting in 65 hours a week, that’s about £11.80 per hour. Not shoddy, for sure - but doesn’t really equate with what most people would call “bloody good money” these days.
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We paid between 45-54k gross, inc night out, excluding expenses which if abroad could top 100.00 a week, that figure doesn’t include hotels. It worked out roughly half and half abroad vs UK, some weeks barely topped 40 hours, others would be well maxed out, but before or after a long run we’d make sure people were rested and paid for standing down.
So I’d say there are decent PAYE jobs out there, though you can argue I would say that.
nsmith1180:
Oh, but there are good PAYE jobs out there. I’ve just been offered £31k a year take home. OK, I have to tramp for that but its still bloody good money!
But the devil is in the detail. £31k take-home requires around £40k gross. Assuming you are putting in 65 hours a week, that’s about £11.80 per hour. Not shoddy, for sure - but doesn’t really equate with what most people would call “bloody good money” these days.
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We paid between 45-54k gross, inc night out, excluding expenses which if abroad could top 100.00 a week, that figure doesn’t include hotels. It worked out roughly half and half abroad vs UK, some weeks barely topped 40 hours, others would be well maxed out, but before or after a long run we’d make sure people were rested and paid for standing down.
So I’d say there are decent PAYE jobs out there, though you can argue I would say that.
Ah. But.
You can argue there WERE good jobs out there!
And I’m sure there still are, but are there as many as there were?
And your particular case is you’d have to admit specialized?
And not open to massive competition?
