albion:
m.a.n rules:
right, I think this thread need’s another tier to it. how’s the boat madam…
Behave or you’ll be in trouble too.
awww miss. ok i’ll behave 
Paye at £11 ph and this week the txt says there’s £710.74 going in my bank 67.75 hrs , mon - fri , 4 nights out
Previous week £627 net for 68.5 hrs , mon fri , 4 night out
No idea where extra £90 comes from
[No idea where extra £90 comes from
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I’d guess they shorted you 90 quid the week before
and as another (rank) outsider i reckon rjan and franglais posts are actually relevant to this topic, putting another slant on how the industry ended up with this brolly malarkey, although I do know they come up with similar stuff on other threads (doesn’t mean it’s not relevant tho) but if anyone doesn’t want to hear somebodyelse’s opinions then ignore away.
and as another (rank) outsider i reckon rjan and franglais posts are actually relevant to this topic, putting another slant on how the industry ended up with this brolly malarkey, although I do know they come up with similar stuff on other threads (doesn’t mean it’s not relevant tho) but if anyone doesn’t want to hear somebodyelse’s opinions then ignore away.
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The problem is someone will post a simple topic or question, wanting a simple discussion/answer about a certain subject - in this case PAYE v Umbrella and it gets hijacked by Rjan and Carryfast and very quickly becomes 20 pages of very long winded posts of historical political rants and opinions about trade unions, thatcher etc etc.
yeah but sometimes there are no simple answers, or they’re not as simple as you’d like. I take your point on the long-windedness tho.
personally I stopped driving for agencies when it became impossible to get work without signing up to umbrella or forming a LTD Co. - I’m fortunate that I was able to. I think that is starting to change now but I’m too old to be bothered.
Rjan:
Franglais:
Grandpa:
…If your posts limited themselves to factual issues you may have cause for complaint.
As you have stated, you have made comment on when and why the rot set in. Rjan and myself have only questioned or given an opinion (contrary) to your opinion.
Calling another’s comment “trolling” is not a very nice thing to do. I don’t think Rjan is particularly upset by it? I’m not. But if you choose to attack us as “oddballs” or “trolls” rather than address our posts, maybe a reasonable reader of this thread might conclude you have no argument against our points?Nooo, I’m not upset, for precisely the reason that a reasonable reader may conclude that he has no arguments against our points!
He is ultimately peddling superficially plausible nonsense whilst routinely allowing the scroll of his academic CV to drop to the floor for effect, and now rather annoyed because there are others here in a position to challenge his propaganda and whose command of the matter exceeds his.
If he were interested in debate, he could simply have countered our points rather than complaining of our arrival. He hardly has the excuse, both as an academic and as someone fond of putting posts of decent length, that he does not like to read long posts.
Rjan, if I even attempted to counter your ‘points’, I’d spend the next few days over 20 pages arguing anything from education, the history of the trade unions and the EU. Perhaps you had a bad experience with education yourself, perhaps you’re slightly autistic, but debating anything with you would quickly result in a will to live.
For heaven’s sake, it’s a forum; the law of averages says it’s going to attract some numpties. Unfortunately, I seem to be a magnet for yourself, Franglais and carryfast. Have your say by all means, but don’t try to get me involved in a discussion with you. I’m really not interested, in the same way that I don’t troll you around on your posts seeking an argument. Relax, be an anonymous keyboard warrior and take it easy. 
Check the deductions you have only recently started your tax does not always settle down immediately.
Grandpa:
Rjan:
…Rjan, if I even attempted to counter your ‘points’, I’d spend the next few days over 20 pages arguing anything from education, the history of the trade unions and the EU. Perhaps you had a bad experience with education yourself, perhaps you’re slightly autistic, but debating anything with you would quickly result in a will to live.
Then stop raising highly contentious points that potentially involve 20 pages of arguments. I don’t compel you to reply, and I haven’t got a problem with you putting arguments, but you have to accept that others may do the same in response. There is no entitlement to post any old political nonsense, without any response to it.
If I was haranguing you or turning it nasty, then that would be a ground for complaint, but I haven’t, I began simply by replying in turn and in kind, and at similar length to your own writings.
I also don’t think it is becoming to complain about the length of any analysis when you have adduced your own academic background on a number of occasions, and without solicitation. If you’re an academic who actually doesn’t like length and detail, then I suppose that is pertinent to whether people should give any weight to such claims, since the normal implication of being an academic is that you are accustomed to seek out and grapple with detail, and that your views should accordingly carry additional weight than those of the man on the street who has just arrived at the subject.
Indeed, it is you who turns things unpleasant, with repeated references to autism, to “numpties”, and you complain about Carryfast even though I don’t think he has even weighed in! Although I don’t doubt that it will be within his area of interest too, as it is with myself and many others.
And for what it’s worth, any poor experience of education has probably been with educators like yourself, who are not accustomed to having their views examined or put against the evidence - as many of us have now said, agencies were common in the 90s. But it is not, as you imply, any prior grudge against educators that motivates me, and I do not hold any such grudge. I reply to all in the same manner, it is simply a case of pointing out that your analysis here was incorrect and unwholesome.
For heaven’s sake, it’s a forum; the law of averages says it’s going to attract some numpties. Unfortunately, I seem to be a magnet for yourself, Franglais and carryfast. Have your say by all means, but don’t try to get me involved in a discussion with you. I’m really not interested, in the same way that I don’t troll you around on your posts seeking an argument. Relax, be an anonymous keyboard warrior and take it easy.
The only magnetism you are expressing is the fact that you repeatedly post political views and analysis. I do not follow you, I simply encounter your posts in turn.