ckm1981:
The government have my full support on this,been a long time coming too.
Never once have they offered to subsidise my mortgage so why should other have there rent subsidised.
So you’re not doing well with the artificially low interest rate on your mortgage paid for by low saving interest rates and pension funds losing out you blood sucking leech of a human? Don’t let the eton boys have the poor fighting to keep each other down and open your mind.
scottishtrucker:
ckm1981:
The government have my full support on this,been a long time coming too.
Never once have they offered to subsidise my mortgage so why should other have there rent subsidised.So you’re not doing well with the artificially low interest rate on your mortgage paid for by low saving interest rates and pension funds losing out you blood sucking leech of a human? Don’t let the eton boys have the poor fighting to keep each other down and open your mind.
^^^^^^^ This + 1 ^^^^^^ well said Scotty 
Just another example of the nasty party’s divide and conquer strategy. Renaming council housing as “subsidised housing” is just a way of laying further blame on the working classes. Blaming this country’s problems on lower social classes whilst giving obscene tax breaks to the wealthy is typical tory practice.
I put myself through university twice (which I’m still paying for) and spent 2k5 of my own money to try and improve my situation. Instead of saving for a deposit and moving on, I’m going to have to pay extra for exactly the same product.
trux:
scottishtrucker:
ckm1981:
The government have my full support on this,been a long time coming too.
Never once have they offered to subsidise my mortgage so why should other have there rent subsidised.So you’re not doing well with the artificially low interest rate on your mortgage paid for by low saving interest rates and pension funds losing out you blood sucking leech of a human? Don’t let the eton boys have the poor fighting to keep each other down and open your mind.
^^^^^^^ This + 1 ^^^^^^ well said Scotty
On that note the champagne socialists amongst the Labour ranks are as bad.Yes low interest rates that rip off savers are all part of the same housing benefits issue which are all about subsidising the symptoms of a low wage economy rather than fixing the cause.The difference being that the OP’s moan would have been justified ‘if’ it had been about the incomes issue rather than the ( correct ) policy of cutting housing benefits amongst other in work benefits/ subsidies.
‘Opening of minds’ in this case means ditching ‘both’ the low wage agenda of the Cons ‘and’ the dependency culture of the Socialists and we won’t do that without a move to a protectionist anti free markets Nationalist administration. 
scottishtrucker:
ckm1981:
The government have my full support on this,been a long time coming too.
Never once have they offered to subsidise my mortgage so why should other have there rent subsidised.So you’re not doing well with the artificially low interest rate on your mortgage paid for by low saving interest rates and pension funds losing out you blood sucking leech of a human? Don’t let the eton boys have the poor fighting to keep each other down and open your mind.
+2.
As i said earlier divide and rule.
The ruling class (and sod all to choose between the two main parties) are ■■■■■■■ themselves, they’ve got genuine working people at each others throats, meanwhile they ■■■■ the nations wealth on vanity projects bogus charities which are now more political than useful, the EU con, illegal wars, irresponsible immigration they cannot control because we are no longer a sovereign nation (the queen having virtually confirmed that recently in the land of the fourth reich) and foreign aid…all paid for by the taxes of working people.
Best of it is, those same working people who are going to be picked off one by one, fell for it again hook line and sinker and voted tribally for the same bunch of crooks who’ve led us into the toilet over the last 30 years.
Enjoy the cheap mortage if you have one, but don’t get too cosy cos we’ve seen 15% interest rates before under a tory govt, history can easily repeat itself.
Captain Caveman 76:
Just another example of the nasty party’s divide and conquer strategy. Renaming council housing as “subsidised housing” is just a way of laying further blame on the working classes. Blaming this country’s problems on lower social classes whilst giving obscene tax breaks to the wealthy is typical tory practice.I put myself through university twice (which I’m still paying for) and spent 2k5 of my own money to try and improve my situation. Instead of saving for a deposit and moving on, I’m going to have to pay extra for exactly the same product.
The correct answer to which ( would/should ) be yes let’s get rid of the housing ( wage ) subsidies but let’s ‘also’ pay sufficient wages that reflect a modern industrialised economy.
As opposed to let’s create a high density cheap housing low wage reflection of Stalinist China. 
As for university education it seems obvious that is now all about trying to hide the fact that our industrial wealth creating sector has been wrecked and all the government have to offer is empty promises.Based on the idea of hiding the lost job opportunities in self funded pointless ‘education programmes’.Until that is that self funding also inevitably runs out.
Juddian:
Best of it is, those same working people fell for it again hook line and sinker and voted tribally for the same bunch of crooks who’ve led us into the toilet over the last 30 years.
^ This
they will always vote for one of the 2 until a 3rd who isn’t raving mental comes up with a genuine alternative.
lol , 
I always laugh to myself and at those , when they mention champagne socialists ' , another divide of those that but feel the need to procrastinate. So prey tell, what will the Nationalists bring to the party :question: , oh wait , they didnt win did they , the Country voted with its feet on a whole , and that includes the north of the borders.
Mark my words, we haven`t seen the start of it yet
trux:
lol ,champagne socialists ' , another divide of those that but feel the need to procrastinate. So prey tell, what will the Nationalists bring to the party :question: , oh wait , they didnt win did they , the Country voted with its feet on a whole , and that includes the north of the borders.
Mark my words, we haven`t seen the start of it yet
Unlike France we don’t have any truly nationalist parties and even if we did the Socialists will always try to paint Nationalist as ■■■■ conveniently forgetting that ■■■■ is actually just another form of socialist not nationalist.
While a Nationalist government worthy of the name would obviously bring the only ingredients that would work in sorting out the wage crisis to the table.Those being an end to free labour and trade markets which make the Chinese Communist Party and Eastern Europe better off at our expense.
now the french boys do stand up and fight, there drivers block roads and all sorts if they have had enough
what do we do ? moan and still vote for the same crap, drivers in this country are like turkeys who would keep voting for xmas but complain about it
to the op
why dont you put in to buy your rented place it would work out cheaper with a discount you would have than renting by a good few bob
you have rented to years so why not get some of that money back and buy it ? no need to take a pay cut 
Juddian:
[Enjoy the cheap mortage if you have one, but don’t get too cosy cos we’ve seen 15% interest rates before under a tory govt, history can easily repeat itself.
That was in 1990 and I was six months into a 25 year mortgage.
Going out on a limb here…
But…
I’ll wager that most working class people over the age of 40 grew up in ‘social’ housing…
Until Maggie came along very few, if any, working class people would own their homes…unless they’d won the pools…and it was very much normal to live in a council house…now it’s somehow seen as scrounging to live in one?
I truly wonder how this country has got so broken…
Its not seen as scrounging to live in one, its seen as disgusting to have a good income, live in one with a low rent because its supposed to be for those in need, to then complain just because you’re now expected to pay the going rate because you’re on good money but rather than do that and provide more money to the council to help other people out, instead ask for a pay cut to get out of paying the extra.
■■■■■■ hell, another Conor post I agree with. This will never do.
topmixer11:
like i said im going too get pay cut got it in writing not a prob me and thousands of others will so ME 1 GOVT 0 OH AND 3 pages in less than 14 hrs thread of the month perhaps
Surely the company you work for is the main winner here, more a case of:
Employer 1, You 0, Govt 1.
Govt always win as cheaper wages bill=more profit=more tax liability.
Mate of mine lives in a council house, good job plenty of holidays, very happy. To be honest I was a little jealous once.
Doubt there are thousands in the same boat, too many holes in your story for this thread to be genuine… 20 years in a housing association property - really…
Kudos for triggering the political debate though.
trux:
lol , [emoji38] [emoji38] I always laugh to myself and at those , when they mentionchampagne socialists ' , another divide of those that but feel the need to procrastinate. So prey tell, what will the Nationalists bring to the party :question: , oh wait , they didnt win did they , the Country voted with its feet on a whole , and that includes the north of the borders.
Mark my words, we haven`t seen the start of it yet
Eh, Trux! Were you not looking but Nationalists won 56 of 58 seats. Probably a win then !!!
DonutUK:
Going out on a limb here…But…
I’ll wager that most working class people over the age of 40 grew up in ‘social’ housing…
Until Maggie came along very few, if any, working class people would own their homes…unless they’d won the pools…and it was very much normal to live in a council house…now it’s somehow seen as scrounging to live in one?
I truly wonder how this country has got so broken…
Broken doesn’t get much more broken than thinking its good live in a zb Socialist housing solution to low wage employment.All because the ‘Labour’ Party decided to follow the bs politics of envy socialist ideology.The end result being exactly the type of sub standard high density urbanised rationed zb holes that the employers wanted to save them the wages required for their employees to buy something better.
As for over 40 I’d guess that at least in my experience of being born into a 1950’s working class household the split was around 50/50.Possibly even a bit more in favour of private sector bought housing.Ironically in many cases so called ‘white collar’ families were living in council houses while my and other so called ‘blue collar’ ones were living in private purchase housing.
The topic and argument contains all the information needed as to where Labour and the unions went wrong and the solution if they are bright enough to change course.
Dipper_Dave:
Govt always win as cheaper wages bill=more profit=more tax liability.
That seems to be the erroneous thought process which the government are running the economy by.In addition to the idea of over supplying the labour market with immigrant labour and/or that it’s cheaper to import stuff made by cheap labour Communist Labour.
The result being less disposable incomes in the domestic economy,less economic activety,less tax revenues,more population to support from ever less wealth creation and more demand for housing but less wages to afford the increasing costs.The resulting financial deficits having now reached the point where robbing the non existent tax pot to subsidise low wage employment is no longer an option.IE Greece in all but name.
Jesus wept, since when has £31k gross been a good wage in lorry terms, particularly in the south east.