topmixer11:
I AINT im getting a pay cut so jog on oh and for the last 18 years ive been on avg 24 grand so SO MUCH FOR TRYING HARDER back too where most of you are now TAKING IT UP THE ARSE FOR POCKET MONEY
So you’ve been on well above the national average wage for most of the last two decades and you’re living in a council house which is supposed to be for the less fortunate?
OH AND MY RENT ITS 525 a month for 1 bedroom hardly subsidised
Your rent could be £1000 a month but if the market value for the same type of property is £1200 a month you’ve had yours subsidised but I wouldn’t expect a thick ■■■■ like you to understand such a simple concept.
waddy640:
What exactly did Labour do to help the working man during their 13 year reign.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage with an annual incremental rise, Working tax credits, Child tax credits, set the Bank of England free to set interest rates so we would no longer end up in a situation like we did in the 80’s and 1992 with the government ramping up the interest rate 5% in a single morning, scrapped the fuel duty escalator… Would you like me to go on?
So the OP says he hasn’t claimed a bean in all the time while being in the flat■■? Er yes you have subsidised rent!!! So while most on here have to pay rent and mortgages at proper rates on less than £600 a week and don’t bleat on here about it
Poor you NOT welcome to the real world of standing on your own two feet for a change or is it a bit much and you need a sit down.
waddy640:
What exactly did Labour do to help the working man during their 13 year reign.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage with an annual incremental rise, Working tax credits, Child tax credits, set the Bank of England free to set interest rates so we would no longer end up in a situation like we did in the 80’s and 1992 with the government ramping up the interest rate 5% in a single morning, scrapped the fuel duty escalator… Would you like me to go on?
Oh yes the BofE in charge of interest rates, that’s why it pays virtually nothing on savings and gives wonderful deals to borrowers.
They did more for the wasters than the workers, as usual.
like i said im going too get pay cut got it in writing not a prob me and thousands of others will so ME 1 GOVT 0 OH AND 3 pages in less than 14 hrs thread of the month perhaps anyway must dash got 5 hr shift to do
topmixer11:
like i said im going too get pay cut got it in writing not a prob me and thousands of others will so ME 1 GOVT 0 OH AND 3 pages in less than 14 hrs thread of the month perhaps anyway must dash got 5 hr shift to do
Typical system playing benefit cheat. Not much can be done to stop you though. Bit sad that you’re so proud of yourself.
Two sides to this, it a a very expansive topic due to the various facets to the debate.
Firstly it is not the O.Ps fault that consecutive giverments have failed to replenish the housing stock Thatcher sold off naively due to lack of thought for the long term. The housing market is still paying for this. It’s also paying extra in rent to private landlords instead of housing associations via DWP. Through no fault of his own his rent will be jacked up, a very shrewd move lowering wage to avoid costs.
I find all this talk of subsidising is nonsense, these homes were paid off some time ago and everything now is likely to be profit. Not one person here is subsidising the o.p.
But, and I mean but, the lack of affordable homes in this country is at epidemic level and also poses an individual moral dilemma. Should a decent earner be in a cheap rental accommodation that is more suiting for a low earner like a NMW paying vocations?
What is more alarming is the fact this country is getting even more immigrants coming in and all servicea are stretched past their limitations. NHS, Schools, Housing and DWP, this will only get worse.
just been reading on this and it said up to £70 per week, not it will be £70 for a start.
agree with the above we have in our village had over 400 homes built in the last 5 years, they are trying to push through a further 280 (all of this with no provision for the local schools, doctors etc.) the transport infrastructure is still the same as it was 10 years ago but without the extra 500-700 cars daily coming through it.
It is. He is the one that is playing the system to keep his subsidised housing.
CMH:
I find all this talk of subsidising is nonsense, these homes were paid off some time ago and everything now is likely to be profit. Not one person here is subsidising the o.p.
We would be bringing in a much larger profit if the property was rented privately so yes we are subsidising him. We accept the lower profit because the property is supposed to be used by someone in need.
I 100% agree that we have a housing shortage (or rather an overcrowding issue), but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the OP is a benefit player. He can pretend he’s never claimed a penny in his life all he likes but really he has been claiming a fortune while bragging about his decent salary no doubt.
AlphaOmega:
I 100% agree that we have a housing shortage (or rather an overcrowding issue), but that doesn’t take away from the fact that the OP is a benefit player. He can pretend he’s never claimed a penny in his life all he likes but really he has been claiming a fortune while bragging about his decent salary no doubt.
We don’t have a ‘housing shortage’.A housing shortage is when the estate agents all go out of business because they have no houses to sell in their windows.What we have is an affordability issue caused by the fact that as the OP is saying even £600 pw isn’t enough let alone the minimum wage.That’s because of a combination of bs inflation figures which say one thing.While it’s obvious that the reality is a pound isn’t even enough to buy a cheap tabloid Sunday newspaper,and weak downtrodden unions who even believe all the Thatcherite 1970’s ‘militancy’ bs themselves.We’ve then got localised hotspots in large part because the Northern etc NIMBY’s don’t want to take their fair share of the immigration and development quotas which they support just so long as the South East takes it all.In addition to a planning policy along the lines of Stalinist thinking of over supply in the form of zb high density urban zb holes where no one wants to live.
Which more or less sums up Surrey’s planning policy over the years.The result being the fact that the most housing demand is in those areas with the highest supply and therefore population.Which in reality then translates as more demand in the ever decreasing less developed areas because no one with any sense wants to live in the ‘results’ of a housing policy based on the idea that supply is everything.
IE trust me most of those calling for more ‘supply’ won’t want to live in the resulting urban zb hole when they’ve done it.In addition the fact that it solves nothing because the population growth of urban areas outruns the extra supply.Which is why there is a larger housing problem in London than in rural areas.While at best by definition of trying to over supply the housing market to compensate for an incomes crisis would just cause yet more banking problems.In the form of a negative equity house value crash.Especially in those presently decent less developed areas that are suddenly turned into yet more over developed urban zb holes.
waddy640:
Oh yes the BofE in charge of interest rates, that’s why it pays virtually nothing on savings and gives wonderful deals to borrowers.
The BofE has nothing to do with the interest rate your bank pays you on your savings or the deals given to borrowers, those are entirely at the discretion of the bank you borrowed from. The Bank of England merely sets a base rate. What banks do with that is entirely up to them.
Good lord I pretty much agree with that Geoffrey I best call the doctor.
30 or 40 years ago most drivers and other working class people would have lived in a council house and no one would have thought any less of them.
Now they get had a go at or looked down on as tge media has brainwashed everyone to think any one who does is scum.
The selling off and only giving council houses to those deemed to be in need which is largely migrants and people with drink and drug problems etc along with lack of investment has ruined social housing.
kr79:
Good lord I pretty much agree with that Geoffrey I best call the doctor.
30 or 40 years ago most drivers and other working class people would have lived in a council house and no one would have thought any less of them.
Now they get had a go at or looked down on as tge media has brainwashed everyone to think any one who does is scum.
The selling off and only giving council houses to those deemed to be in need which is largely migrants and people with drink and drug problems etc along with lack of investment has ruined social housing.
not to mention single mothers who think breeding is a career
waddy640:
Oh yes the BofE in charge of interest rates, that’s why it pays virtually nothing on savings and gives wonderful deals to borrowers.
The BofE has nothing to do with the interest rate your bank pays you on your savings or the deals given to borrowers, those are entirely at the discretion of the bank you borrowed from. The Bank of England merely sets a base rate. What banks do with that is entirely up to them.
It would be fair to say that there is a direct link between base rates and savers rates.At present the fact is savers are being ripped off to subsidise the low wage economy.
kr79:
Good lord I pretty much agree with that Geoffrey I best call the doctor.
30 or 40 years ago most drivers and other working class people would have lived in a council house and no one would have thought any less of them.
Now they get had a go at or looked down on as tge media has brainwashed everyone to think any one who does is scum.
The selling off and only giving council houses to those deemed to be in need which is largely migrants and people with drink and drug problems etc along with lack of investment has ruined social housing.
Like the NHS council housing is a socialist solution and as such contains all the contradictions of that.IE most/all of the ( rightly ) most ‘militant’ working class who I knew ‘did’ look down on council housing.Being that the object of striking was all about getting enough money to afford to save a deposit and buy a decent house in a decent area in the private sector.While ironically much of Thatcher’s support was based on handouts in the form of a cut price council house.Which in reality was just a case of hypocritical working class people looking for an easy option rather than fight for decent living standards.Which is why the economy is where it is now.IE a bigger version of Greece but hidden by smoke and mirrors.
waddy640:
Oh yes the BofE in charge of interest rates, that’s why it pays virtually nothing on savings and gives wonderful deals to borrowers.
The BofE has nothing to do with the interest rate your bank pays you on your savings or the deals given to borrowers, those are entirely at the discretion of the bank you borrowed from. The Bank of England merely sets a base rate. What banks do with that is entirely up to them.
The BofE set the base rate and the rest of them follow therefore there is a link.
topmixer11:
looks like i will have too ask for one as from 2017 im going too be persecuted for trying too get on in life by finding decent work and paying too get it by obtaining licences etc ive been in my housing association home 20 years never claimed a bean in all that time ,paid my rent on time now because i earn 31 ,000 a year im going too be hit with a 70 quid a week increase in rent , by the looks of things ,i still have too pay bills etc pay for my car too get too work so im now going too look for a job under that figure above HOW IS THAT PRODUCTIVE MR CAMERON might as well sign on rather than try hard in life
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Ist off, well done on achieving your goal to rise in your station and better yourself,
2nd-ly, I feel for you my friend, rising above the parapet, only to get shot at socially and economically.
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Did you really expect the sympathy vote with a statement like that
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We, the working classes, have self respect and opinions too my friend, especially when it comes to monetary issues, if you dont want criticism , may i suggest a different choice of wording. or go buy your own place and join the property ladder like the rest of us minions, that 500 and odd quid would well be adding to your mortgage by now. . Social scroungers taking my hard earnt taxes i despise.. (and that is not a direct insult aimed at the op) . . Im also trying to get round the fact you earn 31k -live alone/and/or partner - in a 1 bed housing reduction property, yet after bills, you have no cash, you must have some serious debts or a very high living social lifestyle bud.
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Horses for courses I suppose
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Do you shop at Sainsbury`s per chance ?
anyway must dash got 5 hr shift to do
