Well I’m thinking that Jimmy the feline is kicking ■■■■ here. Bet CF has got a shock that someone has actually bothered reading past the first “socialist bs” quote and is now comprehensively picking his arguments apart.
Of course he’ll rebuke that, but I know what I see.
desypete:
war1974:
war1974:
in life you have to adapt, something people with your stance seem very unwilling to do. like I have said irrespective of who is/was/might be in power and no matter what idealism you want to follow, the basic way of the world at present is if you want to buy something you will have people who want quality and will pay for it (on this you can demand higher wages) or people want stuff as cheap as possible (cars/trucks/fuel/food etc.) where you cant pay top notch wages.you keep banging on about these ‘great’ companies and idealisms yet all of them have gone to the wall, why? most didn’t change most sat back on a comfy chair believing they were the best and people would always buy ‘british’ or the likes. you stand still too long and life will overtake you am afraid. go back 20 years when all the call centres were in England - people started trying to demand more money to answer phone calls, end result some indian is now doing it for a fraction of the price
While obviously people like you think that the answer to that isn’t to close the doors and start making stuff for ourselves again at decent wage rates.No let’s turn to socialism and turn the place into another version of zb Socialist China instead.In which case the OP is obviously way ahead of the agenda in calling for less wages to maintain his housing benefit dependency.
I want quality goods at a price I can afford without making myself obsolete like so many of your era did, I don’t want to follow an ideal or outdated way of the world if no one else is doing it.
the reason the UK manufacturing industry took such a hammering was because we turned out dross for years expecting good old British folks to do their duty.
I have had a mg rover which needed a head gasket about once a month then I went to a Subaru which as long as I changed the oil and belts was bullet proof.
I have seen shipbuilder strike over water / dockers walk out because the guys son didn’t get the job and they had the nerve to give it to someone better qualified, same at royal mail.yes your way was brilliant carryfast :roll
where as your way has us doing what ?
from what i see most people are to scared to stand up for themselves anymore as they will be out of a job, that is paying less and less as the years go by
what can they do about it ? nothing but accept whatever pay they can get as the going rate and of course put the hours in to make sure they can keep there roof over there heads
times have changed because the people have let it happen. drivers are the worse case as they have always been that way when it comes to making a stand, there to busy hoping somoene else will make a stand for them and if they lose there job they will be first in line to try to get the job
all drivers are any good at is moaning about poor pay, moaning about long hours, the answer is stop moaning and do something about it
i wonder if there will ever come a time where drivers would unite and say enough is really enough ?
maybe in 5 years time when 9 quid an hour is the going rate it might just make a difference drivers might stand up for themselves,but i dont think it will to be honest as 9 quid an hour is a huge pay for the people who come from poorer country’s
so all i can see happening in the future is the same that has happened to the nhs
you will be lucky to find an English speaking dr or nurse these days and it will be the same for trucking. that’s the Britain of the future
thanks to people like you who just dont have back bone to stand up and be counted. instead you let it all drift by in some sort of hope that it will never get that bad
have you not got a carrier bag to go and [zb] in pete?
I went and learned new skills which in turn made me more employable, I earn a decent wage so does my wife who has also studied and improved from what she was doing.
you don’t have to accept [zb] wages if you have belief or as others have said on here are good at your job etc. the difference is you seem to think if people don’t earn what you think is a good wage its wrong, personally I don’t give a flying [zb] what people earn as long as they are happy with it.
your a relic old boring repeat the same crap on every thread yet no longer do what you were doing.
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you my friend will be one of the first to complain in life should you or your wife lose your jobs or being undercut by the people coming over here from other lands, for the moment you seem to be in a good position in life and well done
if you honestly believe you are to good to be replaced by the cheap workers coming over here then your in for a shock, like so many others have found out when it starts to affect them, but until such time as it does affect them directly well there going to be sitting in a good place, but for how long ?
you seem to have a good knowledge of carrier bags or people who carry them i wonder do you also have a limp ? as there is nothing worse than a carrier bag limping know all in my book, there almost as bad as a cpc sat nav moron who drives automatics and gets paid the same rate as someone who can do the job and is good at there job without such aids, or even worse than that a class 2 driver, now that is the bottom of the pile
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strange pete but yes I have drove agency, I also ran a haulage firm, have drove most types of gearboxes moved with the times and got a satnav. but unlike you i moved with the times, i have never had a problem finding work in my life. as i am good at my job i don’t think i will lose it and i get enough offers from other companies to know if i did i wouldn’t be out of work for long.
i have been all over Europe without a sat nav too, i don’t limp and when i was on agency earned more than the scruffy full timers. most places offered me a job but again i like to pick and choose when i drive and work as a driver not be forced onto some bull crap rota.
we had people like you about 12 years ago when the polish lads first came over and the same now, just look on here the drivers who are good have decent jobs. you made a stand which is fair enough (i also didn’t do the dcpc as i don’t need it, i earn enough without the need to drive and if i need to drive i will go and do it). what i don’t do is class everyone else as a moron because they chose to do it to support themselves and their families.
and my final note on this thread as i have said enough - page 12 is my favourite TNUK page so far, its like university challenge.
I just typed Carryfast Socialist into the search box and it came up with 336 results. That’s a whole lorra socialism 
Curryfart retuned 212 results
This just gets better and better. Got this in an email from the government yesterday.
If you’re a first time buyer, save up to £200 a month towards your first home with a Help to Buy ISA and the government will boost your savings by 25%. That’s a £50 bonus for every £200 you save. You can receive a bonus of up to £3,000.
new accounts will be available for four years, but once you have opened an account there’s no limit on how you long you can save for
accounts will be available through banks and building societies from Autumn 2015
you can make an initial deposit of £1,000 when you open the account – in addition to normal monthly savings
there is no minimum monthly deposit – but you can save up to £200 a month
accounts are limited to one per person rather than one per home – so those buying together can both receive a bonus
only available to individuals who are 16 and over
the bonus is available to first time buyers purchasing UK properties
minimum bonus size of £400 per person
maximum bonus size of £3,000 per person
the bonus will be available on home purchases of up to £450,000 in London and up to £250,000 outside London
the bonus will be paid when you buy your first home
if you save £12,000, the government bonus will boost your total savings to £15,000
So, Carryfast, not only are you socialist friends going to give me a 20% discount on my new house they’re going to give me another £3k to spend on a 60" Smart TV and surround sound system.
God bless socialism
Oh God don’t set him off again ffs. Stand by for another 12 pages of Political lectures, and we’ll all blame you for it
robroy:
:roll: Oh God don’t set him off again ffs. Stand by for another 12 pages of Political lectures, and we’ll all blame you for it
But I think you’d miss him! 
You would lose the: He’s been “carryfasted!”, and you can’t argue with yourself pal! 
However, I’m not sure carryfast would suffer the same infliction.
Not even is solitary confinement… 
Terry T:
So, Carryfast, not only are you socialist friends going to give me a 20% discount on my new house they’re going to give me another £3k to spend on a 60" Smart TV and surround sound system.God bless socialism
£3000 for a 60" smart tv? You should shop around a bit more.
I just bought (well, two weeks ago) a Samsung 65" 4K (ultra HD) smart tv AND surround system for £2600.
With that extra £400 you could also get yourself some top drawer designer threads just to REALLY rub it in 
AlphaOmega:
Why should I be subsidising your housing costs when you get paid more than I do? Why don’t you just get a normal house?
+1
Housing assoc and council properties should be on a 1 year lease , then reapply to see if circumstances have changed
Look at that fat union boss who recently died on holiday . he was on cica £150k and still lived in council property
Blimey I clicked on this thread on page 12 to try and catchup and now feel totally drained and slightly violated, sure theres a squabble in there somewhere but im buggered if I can understand it.
boredwivdrivin:
Housing assoc and council properties should be on a 1 year lease , then reapply to see if circumstances have changedLook at that fat union boss who recently died on holiday . he was on cica £150k and still lived in council property
One’s ability to move out of a council house is more about one’s ability to get a mortgage on a similar property - rather than income, or future prospects.
£150kpa means nowt - if that person is actually rather crap with bankroll management - which tends to be the case these days with anyone who claims expenses in their daily lives…
You’ve never been paid to be efficient after all… Buy a gas guzzling car, fill it up at MSAs, eat where it’s £90 per head rather than at McDonalds, holiday in Portugal away from the illegal exodous rather than the Greek Islands or South Italy, - and of course wasting most of one’s campaign time and funds fighting for the wrong issues entirely. (I refer to Cameron here)
There’s not really much difference between a £150k Union Rep and a Cabinet Minister really - is there?
150k is alot if u in a council house .
Should be a helping hand not a lifestyle .
Funnily enough , back in winter i got bored with an old woman so left her . whilst tipping in brum i saw a sign on flats saying ‘to rent’ and a housing assoc name .
I rang em up and told them i was homeless and living in lorry , with no toilet cooking or washing facilities . upshot is after a few forms they offered me a flat in halesowen for £80/week
I went and looked and it was really nice , spacious but no carpets or cooker etc
Obvs i didnt take as i had moved in with much younger model who goes like a fridge motor with the doors open
The-Snowman:
Terry T:
So, Carryfast, not only are you socialist friends going to give me a 20% discount on my new house they’re going to give me another £3k to spend on a 60" Smart TV and surround sound system.God bless socialism
£3000 for a 60" smart tv? You should shop around a bit more.
The Sonus surround system I’m eyeing up is about £1600 though so that would take up a lot of that.
I won’t get the full £3k anyway as that would take 5 years of saving and I’m planning on buying in 2 year’s time so Curryfart’s socialist cash dispensers will only have to give me £1200
Should be enough for a decent TV that. Or 2000 cans of Carling Cider from Asda
boredwivdrivin:
Housing assoc and council properties should be on a 1 year lease , then reapply to see if circumstances have changedLook at that fat union boss who recently died on holiday . he was on cica £150k and still lived in council property
Setting aside the union boss who I would guess is virtually unique when it comes to council tenants.
You appear to have the opinion that all council and h/a tenants are the same. I ain’t going to repeat my circumstances why I live in h/a house as I am, and am sure you all are bored with me repeating and banging on about it.
So let’s go with the yearly review idea thing you suggest. On one end of the spectrum of tenants we have the feckless workshy that choose benefits as a lifestyle, the types that walk with a stick even though they don’t need them except to qualify for benefits, then there’s the druggys, the women that get knocked up on purpose by x no. of different blokes, and combinations of all these such as the Jeremy Kyle type dead legs, there’s the asylum seekers in some cases. I assume your perceived negative opinions are based on these types.
However on the other hand there are the ones that find themselves there down to failed businesses, too old to take out another mortgage when they eventually get back on their feet…through WORKING. The older people that have lived in the same h/a house since they were built in the 50s, when only rich people and middle classes could own a house, worked all their lives and brought up their kids there. It was a way of life. They paid the rent amount they were asked to and everybody got along. If it was subsidsed it was a political matter, they happily paid the amount they were asked with periodical increases, to call these people scroungers is/was a ■■■■■■ insult.
Then the other category that chose not to be brainwashed into joining the mortgage rat race and again worked to pay whatever amount they were asked to.
Which categories do you think would be asked to leave after your assessment year, to make way for which other categories? I think we both know the answer don,t we, then when all the decent hard working people are kicked out we achieve the stereotype ghetto style housing association sites that most of you seem to perceive. They then go on and pay twice to 3 times the rent to greedy private landlords, get nothing done in terms for maintenance in many cases, but they are safe in the knowledge that people like you and Carryfast are pacified
I know all this crap has already been said pages back, but I’m just trying to redress the balance. Not all Housing Assoc families are deadleg dossers 
Oh and ffs …Carry fast …just ignore this please mate, I couldn’t stand the pain of sheer unadulterated boredom.
Year long leases would give the schemes new credibility .
Affordability criteria can be checked and most importantly it can be established whether people are over accommadated or under accommadated .
2 examples ::
i lived with an old woman in cornwall who lives in a 3 bed HA prefab . lovely spacious house . she has been the 20+ years and earns good money as a nurse . her kids left home years ago , she has 2 spare bedrooms but she cant be moved on as she is on a lifelong tenancy . she could easily afford a 1 bed flat in private sector , but sees it as her right to continue living there
Contrast with a girlfriend i have in Bristol . she has 1 girl and 1 boy of school age and lives in 1 bed council flat . she works part time but there is absolutely no way she could afford a 2 (or really needs 3 ) bed property in Bristol unless its council or HA , but for some strange reason she doesnt have enough ’ points’
My contention is that year long tenancies and reviews would solve many of these problems ,
And that the OP should be ashamed to property block when he clearly can earn enough to sort himself out
And i should point out i dont agree with private home ownership from a moral and economic point of view . should be collectively owned and distributed on basis of need
My above suggestions are simply to make current system work better
So please dont ever bracket me with carryfast or any of the other rightwing winkers on here. !!!
boredwivdrivin:
And i should point out i dont agree with private home ownership from a moral and economic point of view . should be collectively owned and distributed on basis of needMy above suggestions are simply to make current system work better
So please dont ever bracket me with carryfast or any of the other rightwing winkers on here. !!!
Carryfast in his own inimitable way sat pontificating over everybody in h/a properties.
His opinions implied they (we) were all the same …scroungers. So that put me and my family, in his eyes, in the same status as a family of workshy deadlegs.
Your opinions on the yearly review made me think, rightly or wrongly , that you were of a similar opinion, that is all.
To clarify my point, if my case was reviewed, considering that I work , I would be put out of my house to make way for Frank Gallagher and his family of benefit claiming wasters.
I have paid my rent, by working, to whatever the amount that has been asked of me with periodic increases, I have no intention of volunteering to pay twice as much just to avoid being labelled by narrow minded people, and especially those that have had a relatively easy life, through living with their parents in mature adulthood like our know it all friend.
boredwivdrivin:
Year long leases would give the schemes new credibility .
Affordability criteria can be checked and most importantly it can be established whether people are over accommadated or under accommadated .2 examples ::
i lived with an old woman in cornwall who lives in a 3 bed HA prefab . lovely spacious house . she has been the 20+ years and earns good money as a nurse . her kids left home years ago , she has 2 spare bedrooms but she cant be moved on as she is on a lifelong tenancy . she could easily afford a 1 bed flat in private sector , but sees it as her right to continue living there
Contrast with a girlfriend i have in Bristol . she has 1 girl and 1 boy of school age and lives in 1 bed council flat . she works part time but there is absolutely no way she could afford a 2 (or really needs 3 ) bed property in Bristol unless its council or HA , but for some strange reason she doesnt have enough ’ points’
My contention is that year long tenancies and reviews would solve many of these problems ,
And that the OP should be ashamed to property block when he clearly can earn enough to sort himself out
So you want to evict someone from their home of 20+ years simply because they don’t fit your social ideal? That’s called Ethnic Cleansing.
And as for your friend, I have zero sympathy. If she couldn’t afford kids, she shouldn’t have had them.
I would evict her because she is a single person living in a 3 bedroom council house .
I dont have much sympathy for bristol girl myself .She could move to a cheaper city , like newport or scunthorpe.
But , they are examples of how social housing isnt working because people have them for life , regardless of how their circumstances change