PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

Kempston:
Great stuff Dean!

Stralisnumerouno:
Great picture of one of bill sheppersons Maggie 310’s,didn’t realise they did containers thought the operated bulk tippers doing scrap and coal from Sutton in Ashfield to South Wales.
I called on them selling Magirus Deutz parts, the yard was an Aladdin s cave of trucks in various states No wonder he never bought much !
I found Bill an interesting person and he always took the time to chat, does anyone have any idea of what happened to the business ?

Thanks for the comments chap. I assume you worked for a Maggie dealer,which one ?

tastrucker:
“pete smith” Hello DEAN ,QLF animal feeds based at Telford somewhere ,but W J Capper haul some of their tankers .
Elliot Blackmore were from Bicton just of the A5 at Shrewsbury ,thank you Trevor

Morning Trevor,
QLF feeds are based in the former WW2 fuel dump near Farley halt on the former Buildwas to Much Wenlock railway line, Billy Capper has been pulling their barrels for a few years now but I have seen some Scania’s pulling them lately, Cheer’s Pete

Hello pete ,yes,the old fuel dump ,Farley quarries used that several years back ,Cappers what i have seen do more tank work now .
Hello Dean ,good to see Lloyds and Swains ,dont think Lloyds did much out of Bell ,but Swains did most of the continental work out of Monsanto Ruabon using Bell containers ,Monsanto had another site i think near Newport ,thank you Trevor .

Swains were always a favourite haulier of mine Trevor.

240 Gardner:
“DEANB”

Thanks for the comments and pics Chris,good stuff chap.

With the extra axles on the trailers what was the payload ?

That’s a good question, Dean, and I can’t honestly remember now. I think it was about 26,500kgs, as opposed to the 30,480kgs we would put on the standard sliders.

There were a lot of 20’ boxes that came in at well under 10T gross, and it was quite easy to pick the traffic to work these trailers to their best.

Great selection of articles and photos you’ve put up, too, thank you! Interesting to see how United States Lines started off by having their own trailers, even to the extent of bringing in American ones. I suppose suitable container-carrying trailers were at a premium in the early days of containerisation but still they must have brought some operational problems by being non-standard over here.

Thanks for the info Chris,glad you found the articles intresting. There’s more…

jshepguis:
Agree with Chris and the others another really interesting set of articles about containerisation thanks once again for taking the time to post. I believe the actual inventor deliberately didn’t take a patent out so it could become universal instead of different copies.
Photo here taken of my uncles F86 with 2 x 20’ boxes on a 40’ flat no twistlocks on trailers in those days, boxes were chained on.

Glad you enjoyed them chap,great pic of the F86.

I found another clipping of Stevens the other week that i forgot to pop on for you. Do you know many trucks Steven’s operated as we have had
several clippings featuring them.

oiltreader:
Multi axle in Holland.
Oily

Nice pics Oily.

Anyone know the gross weight in Holland ?

[deanb]

“240 Gardner”

Think this is the company ?

Click on pages twice to read.

[chris_webb]

jshepguis:
Agree with Chris and the others another really interesting set of articles about containerisation thanks once again for taking the time to post. I believe the actual inventor deliberately didn’t take a patent out so it could become universal instead of different copies.
Photo here taken of my uncles F86 with 2 x 20’ boxes on a 40’ flat no twistlocks on trailers in those days, boxes were chained on.

I remember A Stevens from Gt.Ayton,I rang em for a backload around 1968 but my LAD Reiver weren’t big enough for the stuff they carried.

Did your uncle ever park on Thirsk market place,like this lad? Not my photo.

[jshepguis]

Hi Dean thanks for another Stevens photo. To answer your question i think the biggest the fleet got would be around 20 vehicles maximum. Bob Tuck did a feature of them in one of his classic haulier books and there is a photo of all the fleet parked on Stokesley high street a couple of miles away from their base at Great Ayton in North Yorkshire.
When my mates were driving for them in the late 70’s and early 80’s fleet would be around 7 to 10 vehicles and slowly dropped down to around 3 or 4 until they packed in.
Probably a lot of photo’s taken due to their specialisation in long steel loads out of the steelworks which abounded in that era on Teesside.
Chris my uncle was a local in the village as most of the drivers were in those days so wouldn,t have overnighted in Thirsk, although they would have to go through there when going south as all the traffic did, can you imagine it nowadays trying to thread a 90 foot load round the 90 degree bend in Thirsk centre, some car drivers nowadays struggle to go round that bend without crossing over the road markings!!
Anyway a couple more photo’s one oldie and one with my mate Andrew Simpson RIP securing a long load of pipes out of BSC Malleable Stockton.

[kenfig_bill]

DEANB:

Kempston:
“DEANB” One like you used to run.

Good old workhorse and very reliable from my experience.

240 Gardner:
“DEANB”

Thanks for the comment’s Chris. Look what i found today.

I never cease to be amazed at the stuff you have tucked away!

Was gonna scan it chap but it was 42 pages !

finbarot:
“240 Gardner” “DEANB”

Thanks for the comment’s Chris. Look what i found today.

I never cease to be amazed at the stuff you have tucked away!

You’re not alone with that one!!

240 Gardner:
“Kempston” Forgive my ignorance here Pete but I have zero knowledge about these trailers, so you arrive at the first customer, you split the trailer and go off to the next customer with the other container, so does this mean you have to go back to the first customer to retrieve the first trailer? Who owns the trailers, the container company or the transport company?

In my experience of running them, either you had 2 x 20’ boxes for the same place, and you could deliver the contents of both in one visit or, alternatively, tip one, and then drop off the back half of the trailer at the delivery point for the front box. In Europe, the trailer belongs to the haulier, although there’s a tradition in the U.S. of the lines owning their own trailers (or “chassis” as they call them) and hiring in traction.

The one in the photos above was a Nöteboom, and here’s one of their brochure photos of the time:

I did go up to Dennison at Lancaster around 2005 to have a look, as they were starting to produce a cheaper copy, a whole £10,000 cheaper. We did run one from a rental fleet for quite a while, and it did the job. The Dennison we ran was on 4 axles, but our first two Combitrailers were on 5, with the steering rear axle

Another bonus of the Combitrailers was that, being from mainland Europe, they were spec’d to run at 4m, and you would reduce the running height considerably, with a marked improvement in fuel consumption

Thanks for the comments and pics Chris,good stuff chap.

With the extra axles on the trailers what was the payload ?

240 Gardner:
“DEANB” The container revolution started in the 1960’s.

What a jolly fine selection of photos and articles, thank you, Dean!!

kenfig bill:
“DEANB”

Anyone make the name out on the Scania ■■

Anyone recognise the livestock MAN.

Hello Dean …the livestock MAN…the trailer that is …ex Mayberrys from Pontardawe …who were livestock and meat salesman …love that Scania LB76 of Jones Transport Cardiff …hope you are well …lol Geraint

Thanks for the info on the MAN Geraint.

Heres a DAF of K.W.Jones.

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tastrucker:
“DEANB”

Elliott Blackmore Foden.

QLF Scania tanker.

Hello DEAN ,QLF animal feeds based at Telford somewhere ,but W J Capper haul some of their tankers .
Elliot Blackmore were from Bicton just of the A5 at Shrewsbury ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the info Trevor.

pete smith:
Hello DEAN ,QLF animal feeds based at Telford somewhere ,but W J Capper haul some of their tankers .
Elliot Blackmore were from Bicton just of the A5 at Shrewsbury ,thank you Trevor

Morning Trevor,
QLF feeds are based in the former WW2 fuel dump near Farley halt on the former Buildwas to Much Wenlock railway line, Billy Capper has been pulling their barrels for a few years now but I have seen some Scania’s pulling them lately, Cheer’s Pete

I dont know how you remember all these details Pete,good stuff chap.

Hello Dean …many thanks for the K W Jones DAF …Paul certainly has a knack for some of the more forgotten S Wales fleets …great shot of Bevan F88 on Bell work …what a beast …lol …Geraint

[chris_webb]

jshepguis:
Hi Dean thanks for another Stevens photo. To answer your question i think the biggest the fleet got would be around 20 vehicles maximum. Bob Tuck did a feature of them in one of his classic haulier books and there is a photo of all the fleet parked on Stokesley high street a couple of miles away from their base at Great Ayton in North Yorkshire.
When my mates were driving for them in the late 70’s and early 80’s fleet would be around 7 to 10 vehicles and slowly dropped down to around 3 or 4 until they packed in.
Probably a lot of photo’s taken due to their specialisation in long steel loads out of the steelworks which abounded in that era on Teesside.
Chris my uncle was a local in the village as most of the drivers were in those days so wouldn,t have overnighted in Thirsk, although they would have to go through there when going south as all the traffic did, can you imagine it nowadays trying to thread a 90 foot load round the 90 degree bend in Thirsk centre, some car drivers nowadays struggle to go round that bend without crossing over the road markings!!
Anyway a couple more photo’s one oldie and one with my mate Andrew Simpson RIP securing a long load of pipes out of BSC Malleable Stockton.

I know what you mean about Thirsk pre by-pass days.It were hard work with a loaded 8-legger round those two acute bends and I remember those long loads going through as well. And you are right about car drivers crossing white line markings,I see it every day,as though they are pulling a 45ft trailer. :

Not my photos,but maybe Paul Anderson knows about the W J Riding ones?

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
“240 Gardner”

Think this is the company ?

The very same, thank you Dean!!

The rescue & recovery side of the business was hived off separately in 2013, but the business in its current form is now back in the hands of the Brinklow family, after a total of 23 years with two different owners. Arcade became quite an empire, particularly after it was acquired by John I Jacob plc (aka Jacob Shipping) and became a cornerstone of the multi-faceted Ontime, along with the many other businesses that Jacob bought

[ramone]

A couple of pics from Punchards fleet , NMPs

[deanb]

Chris Webb:
“jshepguis” Agree with Chris and the others another really interesting set of articles about containerisation thanks once again for taking the time to post. I believe the actual inventor deliberately didn’t take a patent out so it could become universal instead of different copies.
Photo here taken of my uncles F86 with 2 x 20’ boxes on a 40’ flat no twistlocks on trailers in those days, boxes were chained on.

I remember A Stevens from Gt.Ayton,I rang em for a backload around 1968 but my LAD Reiver weren’t big enough for the stuff they carried.

Did your uncle ever park on Thirsk market place,like this lad? Not my photo.

Thanks for the comments and pic Chris.

jshepguis:
Hi Dean thanks for another Stevens photo. To answer your question i think the biggest the fleet got would be around 20 vehicles maximum. Bob Tuck did a feature of them in one of his classic haulier books and there is a photo of all the fleet parked on Stokesley high street a couple of miles away from their base at Great Ayton in North Yorkshire.
When my mates were driving for them in the late 70’s and early 80’s fleet would be around 7 to 10 vehicles and slowly dropped down to around 3 or 4 until they packed in.
Probably a lot of photo’s taken due to their specialisation in long steel loads out of the steelworks which abounded in that era on Teesside.
Chris my uncle was a local in the village as most of the drivers were in those days so wouldn,t have overnighted in Thirsk, although they would have to go through there when going south as all the traffic did, can you imagine it nowadays trying to thread a 90 foot load round the 90 degree bend in Thirsk centre, some car drivers nowadays struggle to go round that bend without crossing over the road markings!! Anyway a couple more photo’s one oldie and one with my mate Andrew Simpson RIP securing a long load of pipes out of BSC Malleable Stockton.

Great pics and you are probably right about them being photographed more due to the long loads. Using 8 wheelers like that seemed fairly common
back in the 50’s,60’s.

Thanks for your comments Geraint.

Chris Webb:
“jshepguis” Hi Dean thanks for another Stevens photo. To answer your question i think the biggest the fleet got would be around 20 vehicles maximum. Bob Tuck did a feature of them in one of his classic haulier books and there is a photo of all the fleet parked on Stokesley high street a couple of miles away from their base at Great Ayton in North Yorkshire.
When my mates were driving for them in the late 70’s and early 80’s fleet would be around 7 to 10 vehicles and slowly dropped down to around 3 or 4 until they packed in.
Probably a lot of photo’s taken due to their specialisation in long steel loads out of the steelworks which abounded in that era on Teesside.
Chris my uncle was a local in the village as most of the drivers were in those days so wouldn,t have overnighted in Thirsk, although they would have to go through there when going south as all the traffic did, can you imagine it nowadays trying to thread a 90 foot load round the 90 degree bend in Thirsk centre, some car drivers nowadays struggle to go round that bend without crossing over the road markings!!
Anyway a couple more photo’s one oldie and one with my mate Andrew Simpson RIP securing a long load of pipes out of BSC Malleable Stockton.

I know what you mean about Thirsk pre by-pass days.It were hard work with a loaded 8-legger round those two acute bends and I remember those long loads going through as well. And you are right about car drivers crossing white line markings,I see it every day,as though they are pulling a 45ft trailer. :

Not my photos,but maybe Paul Anderson knows about the W J Riding ones?

Great pics of Ridings motors Chris.

Paul is really busy at the moment.

ramone:
A couple of pics from Punchards fleet , NMPs

Nice pics “ramone”

[deanb]

240 Gardner:
“DEANB” “240 Gardner”

Think this is the company ?

The very same, thank you Dean!!

The rescue & recovery side of the business was hived off separately in 2013, but the business in its current form is now back in the hands of the Brinklow family, after a total of 23 years with two different owners. Arcade became quite an empire, particularly after it was acquired by John I Jacob plc (aka Jacob Shipping) and became a cornerstone of the multi-faceted Ontime, along with the many other businesses that Jacob bought

Thanks for the comments Chris. Heres a bit more about the recovery side of the business.

Click on pages twice to read.

[deanb]

More container trucks.

[deanb]

Part 3 Container transport.

1992. 25 years of container ships from ships monthly.

Click on pages twice to read.

Part 1.

[deanb]

Container trucks.

[deanb]

1992. 25 years of container ships from ships monthly.

Part 2.

[deanb]

Karl Jones & Sons tidy Volvo.

A.E.Gough & Sons Scania.

Cant remember if we have had a O.G.Owen motor on before.

Mansell Davies Volvo.

Cargo Services DAF.

We have had a few of Alan Counsell’s motors on before.

R.C.Marshall MAN.

Cant remember if we have had a R.F.Bellis Haulage motor on before.

Chilton Volvo.

P.M.Rees Iveco.

[kempston]

Loving all these older motors/photos Dean, god I wish I could turn the clock back.

[tastrucker]

DEANB:
Karl Jones & Sons tidy Volvo.

9

A.E.Gough & Sons Scania.

8

Cant remember if we have had a O.G.Owen motor on before.

7

Mansell Davies Volvo.

6

Cargo Services DAF.

5

We have had a few of Alan Counsell’s motors on before.

4

R.C.Marshall MAN.

3

Cant remember if we have had a R.F.Bellis Haulage motor on before.

2

Chilton Volvo.

1

P.M.Rees Iveco.

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Hello DEAN ,yes O G Owen are from Anglesey,.i think you may have had R F Bellis before ,they are based in Wrexham ,thank you Trevor

[dave_docwra]

DEANB:
More container trucks.
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Agnew & Lithgow were not really into moving containers loaded from the docks, but like most companies serving Northern Ireland in the 70’s they used them for security reasons.

[mantronic]

DEANB:
Karl Jones & Sons tidy Volvo.Hey Dean ,see Karl up this way daily collecting timber from mid Wales

9

A.E.Gough & Sons Scania.

8

Cant remember if we have had a O.G.Owen motor on before.

7

Mansell Davies Volvo.

6

Cargo Services DAF.

5

We have had a few of Alan Counsell’s motors on before.

4

R.C.Marshall MAN.

3

Cant remember if we have had a R.F.Bellis Haulage motor on before.

2

Chilton Volvo.

1

P.M.Rees Iveco. Dean ,Paul certainly has spent some time down Usk Way Newport,thanx for those awesome Bell container pics ,several of them from the Newport area ,MT

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[deanb]

Kempston:
Loving all these older motors/photos Dean, god I wish I could turn the clock back.

Paul has just told me he has some new gems from Mr Bailey that he is currently sorting out as they are negatives.

tastrucker:
“DEANB”

Cant remember if we have had a O.G.Owen motor on before.

Cant remember if we have had a R.F.Bellis Haulage motor on before.

Hello DEAN ,yes O G Owen are from Anglesey,.i think you may have had R F Bellis before ,they are based in Wrexham ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the info Trevor.

Your right found another.

dave docwra:
“DEANB” More container trucks.

Agnew & Lithgow were not really into moving containers loaded from the docks, but like most companies serving Northern Ireland in the 70’s they used them for security reasons.

Thanks for the comment Dave.

MANTRONIC:
“DEANB”

Karl Jones & Sons tidy Volvo.Hey Dean ,see Karl up this way daily collecting timber from mid Wales

P.M.Rees Iveco. Dean ,Paul certainly has spent some time down Usk Way Newport,thanx for those awesome Bell container pics ,several of them from the Newport area ,MT

Thanks for the info “MT” Paul likes it down in Wales but has not been there for over a year with all the lockdowns.