PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[moomooland]

Harris Road Services.

The 20,000th ERF vehicle was supplied to Harris Road Services and is seen here being handed over outside ERF’s Sun Works offices

From left to right, Eric D Green (Deputy Managing Director of ERF), R W Chadwick (Home Sales Manager of ERF), J Price (Managing Director of Harris Road Services Ltd.), and Mr E P (Peter) Foden (Chairman and MD of ERF Ltd.)

Harris Road Services head office was on Taylor Road Urmston Manchester along with depots at Hatfield, Birmingham, Leicester, Northwich and Chester.
One of their main contracts for over thirty years was the delivery of Mars confectionery throughout the UK which was trucked by artics from Slough to smaller depots which was then delivered to wholesalers via Bedford TK vans.
Being part of the Transport Development Group (TDG) they moved in to many other aspects of road haulage including steel, bulk powders and contract hire.

In house magazine article from 1985

This promo advert was from 1986

[moomooland]

Another one from the archives click image to view full size.

A DAF 2800 tractor unit and and curtain-sider trailer operated by Harris Road Services of Manchester over turned while entering the northbound M6 at the notorious Junction 15 near Newcastle under Lyme in 1985.

The Mercedes tractor unit and curtain-sider trailer, also operated by Harris Road Services, was sent out to recover the load of canned food, some of which can be seen on pallets on the hard shoulder. More info and comments here
Photograph courtesy of Raymond Jenkins.

[moomooland]

Was wondering if you have any Entress Seddon Atkinson 400 Series pictures Dean.

In 1982 Transport Development Group decided to close down Entress transport of Swansea.

When Tom Riding of W & J Riding Longridge heard of this he dashed down in his car and bought five superb two year old Seddon Atkinson 400 Series 4x2 tractor units with consecutive Reg No’s DWN 481V, 482V, 483V, and 484V, while unbelievably selling the other one to Buckley’ Tankers of Warrington on his way home.

[kenfig_bill]

Hello DEAN …and thanks very much for the Entress F86 complete with carbon black bins …this was maybe a Ross based driver on the change over for Goodyear tyres Wolverhampton …theSeddatks were not in the fleet for long before sale to the TDG…some ended up with W Riding and Roberts of Knighton …thanx …Geraint .

[deanb]

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Pandoro ERF

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Got it right this time

Can’t quite make out the reg, but looks like it might be FFVxxxS?

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Pandora ERF

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One of a large batch of RR 265-engined B-Series, no.340 was based at Fleetwood and was the regular motor of Bryn Howells, if my memory serves me right

It’s Pandoro, by the way: P&O ro/ro

PANDORO ! lol OK cheers “240 Gardner” !

Bewick:

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Pandoro ERF

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Got it right this time

Can’t quite make out the reg, but looks like it might be FFVxxxS?

Did Pandoro not have a firm vehicle buying policy Chris i.e. stick mainly to one Marque or was it just a case of going out to tender for X number of units of a similar spec at any given time ? Cheers Dennis.

Thanks for your input Dennis !

ianto:
Denesloes Llanelli I think were part of Hughes Haulage Llanelli Ruffs haulage came from Newtown Mid Wales my father bought UUJ535S from second hand from M A Evans Knightion powers by 6lxb and a David Brown 6 speed bo

Thanks for your comments Ian !

moomooland:
**Harris Road Services.**4
3The 20,000th ERF vehicle was supplied to Harris Road Services and is seen here being handed over outside ERF’s Sun Works offices

From left to right, Eric D Green (Deputy Managing Director of ERF), R W Chadwick (Home Sales Manager of ERF), J Price (Managing Director of Harris Road Services Ltd.), and Mr E P (Peter) Foden (Chairman and MD of ERF Ltd.)

2Harris Road Services head office was on Taylor Road Urmston Manchester along with depots at Hatfield, Birmingham, Leicester, Northwich and Chester.
One of their main contracts for over thirty years was the delivery of Mars confectionery throughout the UK which was trucked by artics from Slough to smaller depots which was then delivered to wholesalers via Bedford TK vans.
Being part of the Transport Development Group (TDG) they moved in to many other aspects of road haulage including steel, bulk powders and contract hire.

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In house magazine article from 1985

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This promo advert was from 1986

moomooland:
Another one from the archives click image to view full size.
0A DAF 2800 tractor unit and and curtain-sider trailer operated by Harris Road Services of Manchester over turned while entering the northbound M6 at the notorious Junction 15 near Newcastle under Lyme in 1985.

The Mercedes tractor unit and curtain-sider trailer, also operated by Harris Road Services, was sent out to recover the load of canned food, some of which can be seen on pallets on the hard shoulder. More info and comments here
Photograph courtesy of Raymond Jenkins.

Thanks for the photos and information about the company Paul !

moomooland:
0Was wondering if you have any Entress Seddon Atkinson 400 Series pictures Dean.

In 1982 Transport Development Group decided to close down Entress transport of Swansea.

When Tom Riding of W & J Riding Longridge heard of this he dashed down in his car and bought five superb two year old Seddon Atkinson 400 Series 4x2 tractor units with consecutive Reg No’s DWN 481V, 482V, 483V, and 484V, while unbelievably selling the other one to Buckley’ Tankers of Warrington on his way home.

I will have a look Paul but i dont think there are any yet mate !

kenfig bill:
Hello DEAN …and thanks very much for the Entress F86 complete with carbon black bins …this was maybe a Ross based driver on the change over for Goodyear tyres Wolverhampton …theSeddatks were not in the fleet for long before sale to the TDG…some ended up with W Riding and Roberts of Knighton …thanx …Geraint .

“kenfig bill” Thanks for your comments Geraint !

[deanb]

Paul dont know if you have seen these Edward Beck pics.

[deanb]

J.D.Crawford’s Volvo F88

B.A.Robert’s Seddon Atkinson bulker.

Seddon of Heatons removal.

Lawrenson Atkinson Black Knight ■■? tanker.

Furzebrook Coutaulds Seddon.

Atkins Borderer.

Adams & Benson Fiat.

French Berliet tanker.

Chambers & Cook smart 111.

Foden dump truck.

[deanb]

One for Willie Roadstar !

[deanb]

“Kenfig Bill” Heres one for your dad, Geraint !

[moomooland]

This Seddon 32/4 heading South down the M6 at Keele Bank would have been based at Furzebrook Knitting Company in Wolverhampton which was a member of the Courtaulds group and had around 200 knitting machines in operation until it closed in 1982.

Amongst many other plants Courtaulds also had large rayon production facility, called the Red Scar mill in Preston, which produced tyre cord and employed around 4,000 people until it closed in 1980.
By the late 1980’s the manufacture of clothing was quickly moving to South East Asia and China by which time Courtaulds had closed many of its UK factories and moved production to cheaper Asian sites were labour costs were low.
The company which employed around 20,000 people was broken up in 1990 into Courtaulds plc and Courtaulds Textiles Ltd but later disappeared after the chemical merger with Akzo Nobel.

Courtaulds Ltd Northern Spinning Division had a large transport depot next to the British Areospace factory on Greengate, Middleton, Manchester.

Ray Beardsley transport manager for Courtaulds Northern Spinning along side the old and the new.

[deanb]

moomooland:
This Seddon 32/4 heading South down the M6 at Keele Bank would have been based at Furzebrook Knitting Company in Wolverhampton which was a member of the Courtaulds group and had around 200 knitting machines in operation until it closed in 1982.

Amongst many other plants Courtaulds also had large rayon production facility, called the Red Scar mill in Preston, which produced tyre cord and employed around 4,000 people until it closed in 1980.
By the late 1980’s the manufacture of clothing was quickly moving to South East Asia and China by which time Courtaulds had closed many of its UK factories and moved production to cheaper Asian sites were labour costs were low.
The company which employed around 20,000 people was broken up in 1990 into Courtaulds plc and Courtaulds Textiles Ltd but later disappeared after the chemical merger with Akzo Nobel.

Courtaulds Ltd Northern Spinning Division had a large transport depot next to the British Areospace factory on Greengate, Middleton, Manchester.

Good stuff again chap ! Heres is a advert with a couple of there trucks !

[moomooland]

These are a couple of Seddon Atkinson press release shots featuring Ray Beardsley, transport manager for Courtaulds Northern Spinning, when eight brand new Seddon Atkinson 400 Series tractor units were introduced into the fleet in 1975.
The large depot was located next to the British Areospace factory on Greengate, Middleton, Manchester.

Dean have you noticed the huge dent in the offside front of the brand new 400 Series above?
It’s been airbrushed out for the advertisement.

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
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Lawrenson Atkinson Black Knight ■■? tanker.

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One of several elderly motors which Gilbert Lawrenson of Bootle ran into the early 90s, mainly contracting for Bibby’s Edible Oils, as I recall

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
Borderer of Econofreight.

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Similar motor, maybe even the same one:
sleeper cabbed borderer by Terry, on Flickr

Apparently, Econofreight’s MD, Tom Llewellin, used to insist on removing the Big A, as did Marley Tiles and Whitbread

[240_gardner]

Bewick:
Did Pandoro not have a firm vehicle buying policy Chris i.e. stick mainly to one Marque or was it just a case of going out to tender for X number of units of a similar spec at any given time ? Cheers Dennis.

It was fairly firm for many years, Dennis, inherited from its constituent companies, Northern Ireland Trailers and Ferrymasters (Ireland)

At the start, it was 220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Borderers and A Series, with 6-speed David Brown gearboxes (not a happy combination, in my opinion). There was a solitary Marathon form the NIT fleet and, strangely, a pair of Mercedes tractors on Northern Irish plates, one of which was based in Fleetwood.

They were followed by 250-engined 400 Series, RR265 & 265L ERF B series and a solitary Buffalo, followed by a batch of 10 Marathons and 20 Buffaloes, the latter to satisfy a requirement for light tractors. For the next few years it remained fairly straightforward as SA and ERF.

The Buffaloes were an utter disaster (I recall the day when 16 of the 20 were VOR, many awaiting parts), and were swiftly replaced with 32T SA 300 Series tractors, Pandoro having participated in the development. They weren’t much cop either, but the requirement went away in 1983 with the weight increase to 38T.

I left in 1982, and the fleet seemed to become rather more cosmopolitan in the years thereafter.

[ramone]

moomooland:
2This Seddon 32/4 heading South down the M6 at Keele Bank would have been based at Furzebrook Knitting Company in Wolverhampton which was a member of the Courtaulds group and had around 200 knitting machines in operation until it closed in 1982.

Amongst many other plants Courtaulds also had large rayon production facility, called the Red Scar mill in Preston, which produced tyre cord and employed around 4,000 people until it closed in 1980.
By the late 1980’s the manufacture of clothing was quickly moving to South East Asia and China by which time Courtaulds had closed many of its UK factories and moved production to cheaper Asian sites were labour costs were low.
The company which employed around 20,000 people was broken up in 1990 into Courtaulds plc and Courtaulds Textiles Ltd but later disappeared after the chemical merger with Akzo Nobel.

Courtaulds Ltd Northern Spinning Division had a large transport depot next to the British Areospace factory on Greengate, Middleton, Manchester.

10Ray Beardsley transport manager for Courtaulds Northern Spinning along side the old and the new.

My dad went to Courtaulds at Greenfield North Wales in the60s and 70s regular for Henry Longs , Courtaulds had a place in Bradford too at Westcroft which is now a Tescos and they also ran to Coutaulds near Grimsby

[valkyrie]

DEANB:

moomooland:

DEANB:
Thanks again Paul, i take it Tom is back from his holidays then !!

He indeed is and he said that was a superb ‘on the road’ image, i have most details on file for the fleet but for some reason had nothing on URN 420R.

This Foden S36 ELU 971J was originally registered new in October 1970 and remained on the road for twenty years until September 1990.
It’s pictured below in later life still operated by Pat Collins with an updated body and livery.

Photograph courtesy of John Gibbs

Thanks Paul for the pic and the info. That motor lasted well,cant knock 20 years. Mind you in that line of
work the mileage but be very low as sat all week in one place before they move on to the next town.

TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Paul Gee’s Photo Collection.Fairground Vehicle Mileage.Atkinson.VALKYRIE.Wednesday,30th August,2017.

Thanks for publishing the great photographs of those very interesting fairground vehicles Fairground Vehicles are just as much Commercial
Vehicles as any other type of commercial vehicle operated by commercial vehicle operators

Foden S21 Spaceship Sputnik Showmans Ballast Diesel Road Locomotive,ULU 809F,painted yellow,with red relief,pulling a Meteorite Ride was
operated by Billy Roberts & Sons.It was originally operated as a bulk tanker by Blue Circle Portland Cement,Cement Marketing Company.

In regard to fairground vehicle mileage:Many fairground vehicles travel from funfair to funfair on an established funfair-fairground circuit on a
yearly basis.But also many other fairground vehicles make long distance journeys to funfair-feasts all over the United Kingdom.
For example, showmen in South Yorkshire travel up to Newcastle for the famous Town Moor Funfair,and go back to South Yorkshire or wherever to another feast.The Pat Collins fun fair outfit is based in the Midlands,and amongst the funfairs that they regularly attend in the September-October period are the famous Nottingham Goose Fair and Hull Funfair…So fairground vehicles eat up the mileage on the A1,A1-M,M1,M62,M6,M61,M25,M18,M74,M73,M90,M3,M4,M5,M20 and many other major routes - not to mention A and B Roads.

Abie Danter and his Air Ride and his other attractions,based in Moreton Valance,Gloucester,travel over the place to attend funfairs,including
the Great Dorset Steam Fair.Matthew and Douglas Taylor,of Motherwell,Scotland,trading as M & D Leisure,Stevens Fun Fairs,Staines-upon-Thames,
Manning’s Funfairs,Feltham,for example,have all been known to attend the Nottingham Goose Fair year after year.This funfair,along with the
Hull Funfair are not only prestigious,and the largest travelling funfairs in the United Kingdom,also attract some or all of the latest high-tech rides
and other attractions.Another reason for the high milages of fairground vehicles,because some of these latest ride come from afar - and also from Europe on occasion!
The Nottingham-based Mellors Group,have expanded into fixed fairground and leisure parks,but this fairground family still attends funfairs,and
are also the providers of some of the Big Ferris Wheel’s that have periodic stays in the middle of UK towns and cities.

I love this slogan and the carrier of this slogan - My Glory Is Hauling And Lighting The Fair,QV photograph:-

Burrell DCC 3 5 NHP Showmans Steam Road Locomotive,Engine No.3926,NO 4999,Essex,March 1922,MARGARET.Henry Thurston & Sons,Northampton.MY GLORY IS HAULING AND LIGHTING THE FAIR - A great statement :-

I bet this Showmans Steam Road Locomotive travelled some long distances on the feast-funfair fairground circuit when it was a working
fairground vehicle - as did many other showmans steam road locomotives…

Foden S21 Spaceship Sputnik,Luton Girderframe-Bodied,8x2 or 8x4 Lorry,350 DRX,Berkshire,December 1962-April 1963.Feltham,Middlesex-based Peter Manning’s Foden and his Caterpillar Ride were regular visitors to Nottingham Goose Fair :-

This Foden is now preserved I remember seeing this Foden many times at the famous Nottingham Goose Fair

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DEANB QUOTE: Lawrenson Atkinson Black Knight ■■? tanker.UNQUOTE.

It’s a:-
Atkinson L1786X Mk1-Cabbed,Tanker-bodied,Rigid 8x2 or 8x4 Lorry,852 AMR,Wiltshire,July-September 1962.Lawrenson.A good-looking and well-kept Atkinson.Mark S.Bailey:-

Do you know the exact year or years when these evocative photographs were taken? So what time period? Please

VALKYRIE

[bewick]

240 Gardner:

Bewick:
Did Pandoro not have a firm vehicle buying policy Chris i.e. stick mainly to one Marque or was it just a case of going out to tender for X number of units of a similar spec at any given time ? Cheers Dennis.

It was fairly firm for many years, Dennis, inherited from its constituent companies, Northern Ireland Trailers and Ferrymasters (Ireland)

At the start, it was 220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Borderers and A Series, with 6-speed David Brown gearboxes (not a happy combination, in my opinion). There was a solitary Marathon form the NIT fleet and, strangely, a pair of Mercedes tractors on Northern Irish plates, one of which was based in Fleetwood.

They were followed by 250-engined 400 Series, RR265 & 265L ERF B series and a solitary Buffalo, followed by a batch of 10 Marathons and 20 Buffaloes, the latter to satisfy a requirement for light tractors. For the next few years it remained fairly straightforward as SA and ERF.

The Buffaloes were an utter disaster (I recall the day when 16 of the 20 were VOR, many awaiting parts), and were swiftly replaced with 32T SA 300 Series tractors, Pandoro having participated in the development. They weren’t much cop either, but the requirement went away in 1983 with the weight increase to 38T.

I left in 1982, and the fleet seemed to become rather more cosmopolitan in the years thereafter.

Many thanks for the comprehensive explanation Chris ! I seem to recall Ian Fowler telling me Scotts Of Nottingham sold P & O a number of Atky tractor units. As regards that terrible spec CU220/ DB 6:600/ Group axle I recall that I had three Borderers on the fleet with that poxy gear box, '73, '74 & '75. The later ones did a decent job from memory, one had the D85 diff and the other had the Eaton 2 speed axle. But the '73 unit was the worst Atky we ever operated, maybe double shifting it brought out it’s failings quicker but we had problems with the Group axle and we changed the DB box twice from memory and then finally the engine gave problems over heating ! It was 18 months old when I sold it ! And what “rubbed the salt in” was it was a unit I had to beg for at the time when they were in short supply, I paid “List” plus £250 notes sweetner ! Happy days ! Cheers Dennis.

A shot of the “offender” when it was new.

[willie_roadstar]

DEANB:
One for Willie Roadstar !

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Dean

Fantastic photo and rare too, this must have been a Moorlock subbie, as they had all Volvo themselves- can’t quite make out what it says on the door, but figures as he’s pulling a Carman trailer so must have been subbing for both

Thanks for posting

Cheers Ant

[kenfig_bill]

DEANB:
“Kenfig Bill” Heres one for your dad, Geraint !

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Hello DEAN …super shot TWN 920N …that F86 spent most of its working life hauling motor panels from the former RTB Llandore plant in Swansea…formally known as the Cwmfelin press works …they supplied panels and bonnets to Land rover…Triumph at both Coventry and Speke as well as Ford …that shot is a little gem …RTB had a similar plant at Gorseinon …many thanks from us both …Geraint