Carryfast:
Blimey even Stevie Wonder could see that the SA 400 cab at least was an F10/12 contender before Volvo replaced the laughably overrated cramped F88 and same with Bedford TM.
We’ve already discussed the issue of just putting the 350 or 400 ■■■■■■■ in the NGC or SA if anyone wanted a Scania 140 contender.IE where a 335 would fit a 350-400 would too.
The truth is this Brit bashing bs is just that.Groundless baseless bollox when all the ingredients needed to sort out the foreign competition was all there ‘if’ the customers wanted to order it.Instead of which they were still calling on SA to supply them with Gardner powered Borderers after the introduction of the 400 and the Bedford TM at least.
“Carryfast” Never ever come on this thread slagging off the “Mighty F88” 
windrush:
Nice dumper articles Dean, the four wheeler ones carting rock salt were underground at Winsford Salt Mine and were taken down in pieces and assembled by Foden fitters underground. They were cabless as well, the drivers sat out in the open with just the canopy on the body to protect them. Later they were dismantled and taken back to the surface and re-assembled and resold. Foden six wheeler dumpers replaced them, again taken down in sections, but they had proper cabs. When I worked in the transport garage at the quarry you would be getting ready for home at 5.30 and then a dumper would appear with two broken back springs and it had to be ready for morning, we did a lot of overtime in those days! 
Those springs were bloody heavy as well. We had two Atkinson dumpers as well but they were smaller and carried less weight than the Fodens.
Pete.
That sounded like a big job,taking the dumpers down in bits Pete ! 
Atkinson dumpers.1958.
kenfig bill:
“DEANB”
B.A.Rogers Defender.
Hello DEAN …so good to have you back …site was not the same with out you and Paul …well the old man is well chuffed also ,…B A Rogers (Brian) were from Skewen and hauled coal into Margham steelworks ,…and also a lot of scrap for Thomas Ward at Briton Ferry ,…he had quite a few Atkinsons …but i can just remember his Marathons …also that JR Atkinson at Ross on Wye is just lush …lol …Geraint
Thanks for the comments Geraint,your dad may remember E.J.Williams from North Wales. 
240 Gardner:
“DEANB”
Cheers Chris.
Scotts of Nottingham advert from 1966.
Splendid, thanks for those, Dean 
ArcDaz:
“DEANB”
How about this beauty then Daz !
Hi Dean your definitely on a roll here again now you have come back on to this thread love it mate now that is beauty Skinners transport probably carrying a load of black stuff ready to be layed on a road job Many thanks for posting this great picture for me Best Regards Daz
Spot on Daz,there was a Tarmac depot just off that roundabout on an industrial estate.
steelboyf10:
“DEANB”
Anyone recognise the F10 ■■
Hi Dean, the F10, is it one off the breweries…Courage■■?, or I am I way off, but the road train is Synthite Chemicals from Mold, North Wales…or as I and Barry Waddy would call the Skintight!!!, they used to run Marathons also I seem to recall, Barry did you not load out of There?
Good to see you back, after your tacho break
Thanks for the comments chap. Who did you drive for when you were pulling steel ?
anorak:
“Carryfast”
We’ve already discussed the issue of just putting the 350 or 400 ■■■■■■■ in the NGC or SA if anyone wanted a Scania 140 contender.IE where a 335 would fit a 350-400 would too.
The truth is this Brit bashing bs is just that.Groundless baseless bollox …
Oh dear. The unanimous verdict, every time you play this scratched old record is, according to those with actual first-hand knowledge, that all the bollox is on the opposite carriageway, travelling at speed.
In summary, the GB makers took 5-10 years to compete with the Continentals, and their first attempts were not quite the finished article- the SA 400 had steering problems, the gear linkage used to come apart on turns, the cab used to corrode and the air filter used to fill up with water. I have learned all of that, simply by reading these threads. How come basic facts seem to pass you by? Is your first degree in philosophy? It certainly ain’t in any engineering discipline, if that other joke thread is anything to go by.
There was no 400bhp ■■■■■■■ option in any GB-built lorry, until the late 1980s. Behave yourself.
The closest the GB makers got, in the 1970s, to competing with the Continentals, was the Leyland Marathon, and it took them 5 years of production to make that reliable enough.
Your wasting your time “anorak” its like banging your head against a wall !!
ERF-NGC-European:
TBH CF, the standard SA400 wasn’t a brilliant motor at all. The cab looked as if it should have been the bollox but it was fairly basic. The one I drove was a 1979 example with a ■■■■■■■ 250 (probably the naturally aspirated version judging by its performance) and a poorly installed Fuller RTO 9509. I was glad to get back into an ERF B-series after tramping in it for a week or two. As for ■■■■■■■ anything bigger than 350 I think you’re in the wrong era for UK.
windrush:
Funnily I quite liked the V reg Sed Ak 400 I had on Tilcon, never had any steering problems apart from the apalling lock and had no gear linkage issues with any of the dozen or so we ran. Actually the gearchange was a lot lighter than some of the later Fodens. Chassis-wise they weren’t a patch on the Foden, far too blooming heavy as well, but were comfy enough to drive and all the drivers liked them . The only problems we ever had cab-wise was with the wiper linkages, and as we only kept them for six years the cabs hadn’t corroded too badly really. Oh and we had no aircleaner issues either? However the weight was a real problem, 19 1/4 tonne payload was no use at all, and after three more purchased in 1982 with Rolls 265’s and bulk bodies which were even heavier no more were bought.
Pete.
19.25 tons ,very heavy chap.
fodenway:
Another factor in favour of most of the Continentals at the time was availability - a few days or a few weeks against several months for a new Brit motor. A mate of mine was tradeplating in the early eighties, regularly doing three trips a day from Hull docks to the Mercedes Benz Trucks site at Tankersley (Barnsley). There were hundreds of trucks going through PDI and preparation. It was a 24-7 operation, trucks being turned round and sent to the dealers in quick time. Sad as it was for our industry, that’s the way it was.
Thanks for the comment “fodenway” good point.
Ray Smyth:
“DEANB” Technical problem with computer chaps in repair shop !
Hi Dean, I hope you get your computer back soon. My laptop " Popped its clogs " in mid October,
but fortunately, It still had 1 month warranty left, so I fired back to Currys, and got it back
two weeks later. It is working, but it is slower than the second coming of Lord Jesus.
Take care and keep safe, Cheers, Ray.
Hello Ray, Yes its back but i paid “covid prices”. Not a good idea getting anything done at the moment as everyone is charging top dollar
to try and make up for the money they have lost. Its not 100% right so will be going back next week.
anorak:
“Carryfast”
As for the article the Foden was clearly the better motor than either the F89 or the Scania 111.
It’s a biased conclusion based on deliberately confusing what customers were ordering v what the UK industry was actually able to provide.
The gift that just keeps on giving.
Indeed “anorak” ,its unbelievable what he posts…
I take it the engine thread has gone quiet ? I will have to pop something on there to keep him amused so he does not annoy me on here !
