Good to see a pic of the Steelphalt tipper, even though it is a Scania, they seem to have been camera shy over the years. Big Foden users at one time of course. 
I used to occasionally run limestone dust into their plant from Agg Industries Milltown quarry and sometimes asked if they had anything going out but the answer was always no. It seemed to be pretty much a âclosed shopâ alas.
Pete.
A Jake brake. Are they still allowed in the UK? I once had one on a â â â â â â â â â â â and I thought it a wonderful bit of kit, a bit noisy but bye hell it sure was effective. Itâs a bit hilly round these parts but I only rarely had to use the service brakes with 32 ton.
grumpy old man:
A Jake brake. Are they still allowed in the UK? I once had one on a â â â â â â â â â â â and I thought it a wonderful bit of kit, a bit noisy but bye hell it sure was effective. Itâs a bit hilly round these parts but I only rarely had to use the service brakes with 32 ton.
Never had one, just exhaust brakes on the Rollers and also fitted on some â â â â â â â but the â â â â â â â ones had to be disconnected. They were noisy, one of our ex drivers complained (after he retired) about the noise a local hauliers Jake brake made at the crossroads outside his house when running empty into the quarry while he was still in bed.
Pete.
windrush:
grumpy old man:
A Jake brake. Are they still allowed in the UK? I once had one on a â â â â â â â â â â â and I thought it a wonderful bit of kit, a bit noisy but bye hell it sure was effective. Itâs a bit hilly round these parts but I only rarely had to use the service brakes with 32 ton.Never had one, just exhaust brakes on the Rollers and also fitted on some â â â â â â â but the â â â â â â â ones had to be disconnected. They were noisy, one of our ex drivers complained (after he retired) about the noise a local hauliers Jake brake made at the crossroads outside his house when running empty into the quarry while he was still in bed.
Pete.
Iâve never had a Jake either, but several exhaust brakes notably on an F89, which was very good. I donât think they made a great deal of noise but if they are used responsably in dangerous situations like long downhills, I canât see a problem. If people live near such places which would they prefer, the noise or a fatal runaway? But I can see their point if drivers use them all the time, instead of the brakes.
Would have loved anything at all in my Mk1 Atki as I descended that long hill, with a right/left kink in it, into Matlock fully freighted from Sheffield. I came down in crawler dabbing the brakes far too often for my liking and my right knee trembling like an expectant virgin. 
Or down that long hill into a Kent village, canât remember the name, on the old A2 before both the new A2 and the M2 were constructed, with my fully loaded Commer which had a compressor far below what was required. Not terror as in Matlock, but sheer embarrassement as, even in bottom gear dabbing the brakes, she stopped dead every 100 yards to refill the air tanks. 
When I came here and took over my new Magnum, that had a (5 stage, I think) electronic retarder and that was excellent. No noise with that at all. 
What about Telmar retarders, PBC had them on four LHD Berlietâs fantastic bit of kit fitted round the prop shaft IIRC they were a tad heavy but the Frogs made an allowance if you did get weighed, they had four settings on a stalk of the steering columb in increasing forces 1 to 4 but lethal if tractor unit only in the wet, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
What about Telmar retarders, PBC had them on four LHD Berlietâs fantastic bit of kit fitted round the prop shaft IIRC they were a tad heavy but the Frogs made an allowance if you did get weighed, they had four settings on a stalk of the steering columb in increasing forces 1 to 4 but lethal if tractor unit only in the wet, Buzzer.
Yes, thatâs what I had on the Magnum, but had forgotten the name. Only trouble was I hated people to think that I was over using my brakes, and the Telma operated the brake lights. 
I think the allowance in France was half a tonne on the gross weight, but didnât know they extended it to foreigners. 
Spardo:
Buzzer:
What about Telmar retarders, PBC had them on four LHD Berlietâs fantastic bit of kit fitted round the prop shaft IIRC they were a tad heavy but the Frogs made an allowance if you did get weighed, they had four settings on a stalk of the steering columb in increasing forces 1 to 4 but lethal if tractor unit only in the wet, Buzzer.Yes, thatâs what I had on the Magnum, but had forgotten the name. Only trouble was I hated people to think that I was over using my brakes, and the Telma operated the brake lights.
I think the allowance in France was half a tonne on the gross weight, but didnât know they extended it to foreigners.
Drove a Ford Duple coach fitted with a Telma retarder, as you say very effective but you needed to be aware of road surface conditions.
pyewacket947v:
Spardo:
Buzzer:
What about Telmar retarders, PBC had them on four LHD Berlietâs fantastic bit of kit fitted round the prop shaft IIRC they were a tad heavy but the Frogs made an allowance if you did get weighed, they had four settings on a stalk of the steering columb in increasing forces 1 to 4 but lethal if tractor unit only in the wet, Buzzer.Yes, thatâs what I had on the Magnum, but had forgotten the name. Only trouble was I hated people to think that I was over using my brakes, and the Telma operated the brake lights.
I think the allowance in France was half a tonne on the gross weight, but didnât know they extended it to foreigners.
Drove a Ford Duple coach fitted with a Telma retarder, as you say very effective but you needed to be aware of road surface conditions.
This is of course true but that goes for exhaust brakes and Jakes too, in fact anything that acts solely on the drive axle of a vehicle, especially an artic. But I must have led a charmed life going down the Blanc on hard packed snow with the exhaust on all the time, the previous driver had connected the button to an on/off switch on the dash. 
Oh, and no chains as well. never fitted them in my life after an old driver said that if you needed chains it was time to park up and go to bed. 
Took what I thought was a set with me on my first trip over but when I got home and gave them back to the owner, they unravelled on the floor and werenât snow chains at all, just chains, to fool the gendarmes.
HRS:
Morning all,
I was sent a few like this on Facebook, takes you back eh !!! Harvey
I first thought that âbeware of the dogâ sign was on the door of that ergo. Mind you, youâd probably only have tripped over it.
Spardo:
When I came here and took over my new Magnum, that had a (5 stage, I think) electronic retarder and that was excellent. No noise with that at all.
Would that be a Telma retarder? Iâve used them as well and always found them up to the job. One âŚahemâŚâdriverâ that I knew did a round trip, Yorks. to London and came in and said âthereâs something wrong with that heap of misery it just wonât go as it shouldâ. Heâd done the whole round trip with the Telma on notch 1, he didnât know what the little toggle switch was for.
grumpy old man:
Spardo:
When I came here and took over my new Magnum, that had a (5 stage, I think) electronic retarder and that was excellent. No noise with that at all.Would that be a Telma retarder? Iâve used them as well and always found them up to the job. One âŚahemâŚâdriverâ that I knew did a round trip, Yorks. to London and came in and said âthereâs something wrong with that heap of misery it just wonât go as it shouldâ. Heâd done the whole round trip with the Telma on notch 1, he didnât know what the little toggle switch was for.
A Telma, yes, but I didnât make that mistake. I did, however run for quite some time before a driver I was giving a lift to pointed out what the little button with the snowflake on it was for.
No harm done though it was sometime before it was hot enough to be needed.
Morning all,
You have woken a few brain cells this morning, great stuff.
About 1976 I remember some owner drivers having a little hand adjusted valve fitted on the steering wheel stalk that was connected from the exhaust brake to the trailer brakes so whenever they oporated the exhaust brake it also braked the trailer, You adjusted the braking strengh by turning the knob on the valve, trailer rental companies did not know about this and it was outlawed eventually. I did not agree or condone this activity
Telma was good but as Buzzer said heavy and very expensive and did not save fuel.
Remember the new engine brakes stop pumping fuel when activated. How nice we all are when not talking about B****T. Harvey
HRS:
Morning all,
You have woken a few brain cells this morning, great stuff.
About 1976 I remember some owner drivers having a little hand adjusted valve fitted on the steering wheel stalk that was connected from the exhaust brake to the trailer brakes so whenever they oporated the exhaust brake it also braked the trailer, You adjusted the braking strengh by turning the knob on the valve, trailer rental companies did not know about this and it was outlawed eventually. I did not agree or condone this activity
Telma was good but as Buzzer said heavy and very expensive and did not save fuel.
Remember the new engine brakes stop pumping fuel when activated. How nice we all are when not talking about B****T. Harvey
Still being nice, Harvey, butâŚyou had an exhaust brake in 1976â â ? What on earth was that on, nothing that I ever drove thatâs for sure. 
I suppose itâs a matter of when did the first Swedes arrive. I canât remember.
But, if true, why would it be outlawed? Sounds like a good idea to me, taking all the braking power off the drives and assisting it with the trailer.
The first exhaust brakes I encountered were fitted to our Fodens with the Rolls engines in 1979/80. They worked on the first part of the footbrake valve, you âfeatheredâ the brake pedal to activate it but it could be turned off by a control on the dash. Later a seperate foot button was fitted, much better. We did have two Fodens with â â â â â â â engines that had factory fitted exhaust brakes but we had to disconnect them straight away as â â â â â â â would not accept any warranty on engine damage caused by them, they only accepted the Jake as an auxillary braking system.
Pete.
Now pay attention, Iâll be asking questions later
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