When we ran some DAFs think we bought a dozen of them when Volvo became a bit inept, there was a company from Littlehampton in Sussex that manufactured an after market engine break which we had fitted but I think the engine warranty went out the window with fitting, its a long time ago so cannot remember the cost Buzzer.
Edward Box steam tractors on Vauxhall Road, Liverpool in 1924. The steamer at the rear
looks like it is there just to prevent anything from running into the steel frame load.
Spardo:
HRS:
Morning all,
You have woken a few brain cells this morning, great stuff.
About 1976 I remember some owner drivers having a little hand adjusted valve fitted on the steering wheel stalk that was connected from the exhaust brake to the trailer brakes so whenever they oporated the exhaust brake it also braked the trailer, You adjusted the braking strengh by turning the knob on the valve, trailer rental companies did not know about this and it was outlawed eventually. I did not agree or condone this activity
Telma was good but as Buzzer said heavy and very expensive and did not save fuel.
Remember the new engine brakes stop pumping fuel when activated. How nice we all are when not talking about B****T. HarveyStill being nice, Harvey, but…you had an exhaust brake in 1976■■?
What on earth was that on, nothing that I ever drove that’s for sure.
I suppose it’s a matter of when did the first Swedes arrive. I can’t remember.
But, if true, why would it be outlawed? Sounds like a good idea to me, taking all the braking power off the drives and assisting it with the trailer.
We had a DAF F2000 reg KUP 997N new in early 1976 with a factory fitted exhaust brake, operated by a foot button.
Tyneside
tyneside:
We had a DAF F2000 reg KUP 997N new in early 1976 with a factory fitted exhaust brake, operated by a foot button.Tyneside
Well, thanks for that, I reckon the first exhaust brake I came across was on an F88 of Dixons of Derby, but I can’t for the life of me remember when that was.
Greetings,All.
Ref. exhaust brakes,When UCC went continental,we had Scania LB 6x4 110 Super units for the job.This was in 1969 and they all had Exhaust Brakes fitted with the foot operated switch just in front of the driver’s seat.Very handy coming down the Colmar etc.Regards,900x20. 
900X20:
Greetings,All.
Ref. exhaust brakes,When UCC went continental,we had Scania LB 6x4 110 Super units for the job.This was in 1969 and they all had Exhaust Brakes fitted with the foot operated switch just in front of the driver’s seat.Very handy coming down the Colmar etc.Regards,900x20.
I must be older than I thought , I never would have put it that early. Funny you should mention Colmar, I’m off past there in the morning. 
Ref Exhaust brakes
When i started driving with James Hare of KIngs Norton ,Birmingham, operating out of Sturge Chemicals,
he was running 2 AEC Mammoth Major 8 wheel tippers. One a F reg, the other a G. This was in 1968
Both where fitted with exhaust brakes, which where,if i remember correctly, of the butterfly valve type
and fitted between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust pipe proper.
Compared to his other 2 motors, 8 wheeled Guy Invincibles, the AEC service brakes where in a different league
and to a degree the exhaust brakes where a tad unnecessary . The Guys could have certainly done with them, though i have never encountered
Gardner engines fitted with exhaust brakes.
My initial feeling where that they where somewhat pointless, however, we all live and learn. After a sobering experience on April 5 1969
when descending the notorious drop down into Ashbourne in one of the Guys, the brakes went on strike and i had to resort to using
the big stone block wall along side the church to bring about a halt to the errant fully loaded Guy.
I soon came to the conclusion that used as they should be, exhaust brakes, where a great added safety feature.
Later when James began to run Scania 110s with tandem trailers at 32 ton i was able to drop down through Ashbourne in 2nd gear
using the exhaust brake with barely a touch on the service brake… Slow, yes, but safe.
Ray Smyth:
Edward Box steam tractors on Vauxhall Road, Liverpool in 1924. The steamer at the rear
looks like it is there just to prevent anything from running into the steel frame load.
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With respect,these Edward Box steam road vehicles are not steam tractors - steam tractors are down-sized traction engines
,lightweight steam road vehicles used for general purpose haulage work,and as Showmans Steam Tractors usually fitted with a canopy
and dynamo… downsized versions of full-size Showmans Steam Road Locomotives
The Edward Box,Liverpool,steam road locomotives in the Fairries - later Tate & Lyle - Sugar Refinery,Vauxhall Road,Liverpool,
photograph,dated Saturday,9th August,1924 are these:-
Fowler B5 Lion C 3 8 NHP Heavy Haulage Steam Road Locomotive-Crane,Engine No.9983,EM 1175,Bootle,built circa 1904.Fowler B4 C 3 8 NHP Road Locomotive-Crane,No.7963,EM 1174,MARSHALL,built circa 1899.Edward Box,Liverpool.Ray Smyth.1#
These two road locomotives were bought second-hand in 1921 by Edward Box,who passed on to The Other World (I believe in the Afterlife) in
May 1925,the business was taken over in 1926 by Marston Road Services Ltd,Liverpool. EM 1174 was bought by Charles Gray,of Neston,EM 1175
was bought by J.Routledge.
Norman E.Box was the son of Edward Box and had his own heavy haulage business:He took over the Manchester operations of his father,and Edward
Box concentrated on his Liverpool division from around 1909.
Edward Box,Norman E.Box and Marston Road Services would eventually end up being taken over by Pickfords Heavy Haulage.
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If you were to stand at the traffic lights at the junction of Buxton Road and the Silk Road in Macclesfield you could tell the “proper” drivers just by the small- or not!- of brakes and the occasional puff of smoke from overheating brakes after loaded lorries had descended the Cat & Fiddle road. It’s certainly possible to drop down all the way from Buxton with just the odd dab of the brake pedal, relying on the exhaust brake or one of the other modern features which seem to be fitted on lorries these days and generally ignored by a good few of the regular “drivers” on this run.
Retired Old ■■■■:
If you were to stand at the traffic lights at the junction of Buxton Road and the Silk Road in Macclesfield you could tell the “proper” drivers just by the small- or not!- of brakes and the occasional puff of smoke from overheating brakes after loaded lorries had descended the Cat & Fiddle road. It’s certainly possible to drop down all the way from Buxton with just the odd dab of the brake pedal, relying on the exhaust brake or one of the other modern features which seem to be fitted on lorries these days and generally ignored by a good few of the regular “drivers” on this run.
Proper drivers don’t bother with that cart track through anymore ,they use the new 555
Punchy Dan:
Retired Old ■■■■:
If you were to stand at the traffic lights at the junction of Buxton Road and the Silk Road in Macclesfield you could tell the “proper” drivers just by the small- or not!- of brakes and the occasional puff of smoke from overheating brakes after loaded lorries had descended the Cat & Fiddle road. It’s certainly possible to drop down all the way from Buxton with just the odd dab of the brake pedal, relying on the exhaust brake or one of the other modern features which seem to be fitted on lorries these days and generally ignored by a good few of the regular “drivers” on this run.Proper drivers don’t bother with that cart track through anymore ,they use the new 555
A555? Where does that start and finish Dan?
But, if true, why would it be outlawed? Sounds like a good idea to me, taking all the braking power off the drives and assisting it with the trailer.
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IF TRUE, !!! you just cant help yourself can you David, would I lie to you ■■?
Scania/Volvo/Daf etc
We had trailer brakes that were very handy on a slipery down hill run to keep it in line while still covering the foot brake but that to had to go, then later the need for 3 line air.
Early exhaust brakes were just a butterfly disc that fitted in the exhaust outlet and later they became a guillotine type, Engine brakes like the Jake, need a new set of cams and shafts to interupt the whole "■■■■, squeeze, bang and blow principal.
Play nice now,Harvey
Exhaust brakes were an awful lot better than people made them out to be, if you bothered to gear down. An ‘exhauster’ would take you, laden, down steep hills without recourse to the service brakes if you engaged a low enough gear. True, they weren’t as good as Jakes or today’s engine brakes, but they were certainly effective.
As for trailer brakes operated from the dashboard, they were a god-send in difficult terrain and adverse weather. I reckon the sole reason for their demise was nothing to do with safety and everything to do with loud voices from the trailer rental sector putting the kybosh on drivers abusing the mechanism to save wear and tear on their tractive units. Robert
Punchy Dan:
Retired Old ■■■■:
If you were to stand at the traffic lights at the junction of Buxton Road and the Silk Road in Macclesfield you could tell the “proper” drivers just by the small- or not!- of brakes and the occasional puff of smoke from overheating brakes after loaded lorries had descended the Cat & Fiddle road. It’s certainly possible to drop down all the way from Buxton with just the odd dab of the brake pedal, relying on the exhaust brake or one of the other modern features which seem to be fitted on lorries these days and generally ignored by a good few of the regular “drivers” on this run.Proper drivers don’t bother with that cart track through anymore ,they use the new 555
PROPER drivers’ road, Dan! Most of the quarry motors still use it- makes more sense if they’re heading toward Staffs, Shropshire, W.Midlands, etc. Unless, of corse, you’re the sort of chap who takes the easy, longer way round just to let his “working classic” lorry be seen !
The 555 is brilliant, I use it a lot when heading North West now and was on it yesterday and again next friday. Further round than Hazel Grove (and apparently Tarmac have cut the haulage rate as it is quicker to Manchester etc now ) but at peak times faste,r and far easier on both the truck and the drivers blood pressure! Years ago if you hit the lights at Hazel Grove on green and kept a steady 30 mph you could go right through without stopping, that will never happen again now that pedestrians have buttons to stop traffic!! 
Pete.
Not to mention traffic to stop traffic, Pete!
There was (is still?) a move afoot to close several departments at Macclesfield hospital. The powers-that-be say patients will go to Stockport Stepping Hill instead. If I suffered a heart attack I would be done for within five miles given the usual flow of traffic.
ERF-NGC-European:
Exhaust brakes were an awful lot better than people made them out to be, if you bothered to gear down. An ‘exhauster’ would take you, laden, down steep hills without recourse to the service brakes if you engaged a low enough gear. True, they weren’t as good as Jakes or today’s engine brakes, but they were certainly effective.As for trailer brakes operated from the dashboard, they were a god-send in difficult terrain and adverse weather. I reckon the sole reason for their demise was nothing to do with safety and everything to do with loud voices from the trailer rental sector putting the kybosh on drivers abusing the mechanism to save wear and tear on their tractive units. Robert
Morning Robert, Had to have a look at my birth certificate to check my age ref exhaust brakes, what did they think that button on the floor was for ■■? diping the lights
Think you are right about the rental companies and i could never fully understand why we came away from 3 line air.
Remember the 14 litre ■■■■■■■ 290 in the right gear ( twin splitter ) could come down most hills on the exhaust brake but they became less efficient as the euro stages were introduced untill all they did was make a noise. Harvey.