GORDON 50:
Upon returning to the cab I found a ticket on the windscreen!
That’s the only thing that bugs me. I know he took a picture of the truck and the sign but he didn’t give me a ticket. Not 100% sure if they have to still issue a ticket.
No ticket then it doesn’t sound like a problem. It sounds like he was doing his job fairly and you have jumped to conclusions and started having an argument politely with him for absolutely no reason other than you have decided he is a jumped up traffic warden.
You spoke to him explained the situation and he said fine, so because he then takes a picture of your truck you have the jumped on the defensive, probably the reason he couldn’t be bothered to speak to you when you started a polite argument over nothing by the sounds of it.
Things are not always what they seem.
The traffic warden gestapo don’t need to issue a ticket, if you are deemed as parking illegally all they need is the photo it’s digitally date, time and gps stamped.
Every time I have received a parking ticket a ticket has been placed on the vehicle,I have also seen them recently at work where work vehicles have been ticketed, so I’m fairly sure you still get a ticket from a parking warden unless it has changed very recently or some areas have gone ticket free.
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GORDON 50:
Upon returning to the cab I found a ticket on the windscreen!
That’s the only thing that bugs me. I know he took a picture of the truck and the sign but he didn’t give me a ticket. Not 100% sure if they have to still issue a ticket.
No ticket then it doesn’t sound like a problem. It sounds like he was doing his job fairly and you have jumped to conclusions and started having an argument politely with him for absolutely no reason other than you have decided he is a jumped up traffic warden.
You spoke to him explained the situation and he said fine, so because he then takes a picture of your truck you have the jumped on the defensive, probably the reason he couldn’t be bothered to speak to you when you started a polite argument over nothing by the sounds of it.
Things are not always what they seem.
The traffic warden gestapo don’t need to issue a ticket, if you are deemed as parking illegally all they need is the photo it’s digitally date, time and gps stamped.
Any links to prove that is now the case as is always the case finding any info to back it up is difficult. If it is the case I certainly wasn’t aware that s the case now.
I know that a fair few years back if you drive off before the ticket was printed and stuck to your vehicle it was not enforceable but they changed the rules allowing them to be sent in the post, which probably coincides with the time they started using digital evidence when giving tickets.
simcor:
Every time I have received a parking ticket a ticket has been placed on the vehicle,I have also seen them recently at work where work vehicles have been ticketed, so I’m fairly sure you still get a ticket from a parking warden unless it has changed very recently or some areas have gone ticket free.
I received a parking fine without having a ticket, along with the fine was a photo of my car number plate and the details of where and when I was parked, I phoned the council dept that deals with it and asked how can I be illegally parked without being notified, they explained that the photo is all they need, same as bus lane cameras, car park cameras. Could be they use an outside agent or it’s the way my council do things, they do have a parking enforcement car that’s equipped with cameras.
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simcor:
Every time I have received a parking ticket a ticket has been placed on the vehicle,I have also seen them recently at work where work vehicles have been ticketed, so I’m fairly sure you still get a ticket from a parking warden unless it has changed very recently or some areas have gone ticket free.
I received a parking fine without having a ticket, along with the fine was a photo of my car number plate and the details of where and when I was parked, I phoned the council dept that deals with it and asked how can I be illegally parked without being notified, they explained that the photo is all they need, same as bus lane cameras, car park cameras. Could be they use an outside agent or it’s the way my council do things, they do have a parking enforcement car that’s equipped with cameras.
Looks like it is down to individual councils how to deal with illegal parking now then by the looks of it.
Another let’s change the system and not tell anyone it’s changed, just revenue making rather than aimed at safety.
Not to mention different rules in different areas just to confuse people even more.
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Traffic management act 2004
F178ANotification of penalty charge: parking contraventions in England
(1)Regulations under section 78 must include provision requiring notification of a penalty charge to be given by a notice affixed to the vehicle where the charge is in respect of a parking contravention on a road in a civil enforcement area in England.
(2)The regulations may, however, provide that the requirement does not apply in circumstances specified in the regulations (which may be framed by reference to the type of contravention, the circumstances in which a contravention occurs or in any other way) and, where the regulations so provide, they may make any such alternative provision for notification as is authorised by section 78.]
Well that’s clear as mud, states a Ticket must be affixed to the vehicle in contravention then states however the regulation may not apply in certain circumstances. In other words a ticket should be affixed unless they may not have to, or in other words they can do as they please by the sounds of it.
Traffic management act 2004
F178ANotification of penalty charge: parking contraventions in England
(1)Regulations under section 78 must include provision requiring notification of a penalty charge to be given by a notice affixed to the vehicle where the charge is in respect of a parking contravention on a road in a civil enforcement area in England.
(2)The regulations may, however, provide that the requirement does not apply in circumstances specified in the regulations (which may be framed by reference to the type of contravention, the circumstances in which a contravention occurs or in any other way) and, where the regulations so provide, they may make any such alternative provision for notification as is authorised by section 78.]
Well that’s clear as mud, states a Ticketmaster be affixed to the vehicle in contravention then states however the regulation may not apply in certain circumstances. In other words a ticket should be affixed unless they may not have to, or in other words they can do as they please by the sounds of it.
Receiving a parking fine from the CCTV vehicle
How will I know if I’ve been given a ticket
The rules on parking enforcement by CCTV camera systems require Penalty Charge Notice to be sent by post.
So if you have been issued with a ticket you will receive it by post. You will have received this because you are the registered keeper of the vehicle. You may well have not been the driver at the time but as keeper you are liable for the charge.
This means that a notice will not be placed on the vehicle or handed to the driver or person in charge of the vehicle.
The Penalty Charge Notice will be sent by post no later than 28 days after the parking contravention occurred, although the council will make every effort to send it sooner
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Traffic management act 2004
F178ANotification of penalty charge: parking contraventions in England
(1)Regulations under section 78 must include provision requiring notification of a penalty charge to be given by a notice affixed to the vehicle where the charge is in respect of a parking contravention on a road in a civil enforcement area in England.
(2)The regulations may, however, provide that the requirement does not apply in circumstances specified in the regulations (which may be framed by reference to the type of contravention, the circumstances in which a contravention occurs or in any other way) and, where the regulations so provide, they may make any such alternative provision for notification as is authorised by section 78.]
Well that’s clear as mud, states a Ticketmaster be affixed to the vehicle in contravention then states however the regulation may not apply in certain circumstances. In other words a ticket should be affixed unless they may not have to, or in other words they can do as they please by the sounds of it.
Receiving a parking fine from the CCTV vehicle
How will I know if I’ve been given a ticket
The rules on parking enforcement by CCTV camera systems require Penalty Charge Notice to be sent by post.
So if you have been issued with a ticket you will receive it by post. You will have received this because you are the registered keeper of the vehicle. You may well have not been the driver at the time but as keeper you are liable for the charge.
This means that a notice will not be placed on the vehicle or handed to the driver or person in charge of the vehicle.
The Penalty Charge Notice will be sent by post no later than 28 days after the parking contravention occurred, although the council will make every effort to send it sooner
Big brother is watching
I am aware of PCN issued from CCTV cameras for bus lanes etc and they are processed and sent by post.
However I assumed that Civil enforcement officers still had to issue a ticket on the vehicle, not that I have had one for many years myself, and I have parked trucks in pedestrian zones and outside while etc on double yellows and not once got a ticket for doing so to unload and we could be at some shops in leak for hours.
I know we have had at least one in the last year or so in its distinctive yellow rain proof wrapper as I saw it in the office.
About the CCTV enforcement vehicle
How you will know that CCTV enforcement is taking place
How CCTV enforcement works
Parking contraventions may be detected and evidence is captured using the safety and enforcement system in two ways:
Unattended mode - the camera operating automatically, evidence is captured as the vehicle is driven through enforcement areas;
Attended mode - A Civil Enforcement Officer operates the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) camera in the vehicle, whilst the second officer may be driving the vehicle or it might be stationary.
Cameras are positioned to detect and capture evidence of parking contraventions and are not used to invade the privacy of any persons in domestic, business or other private premises, buildings or land.
This is Kirklees and different areas may have different methods, but it doesn’t help the driver, the automatic setting in the camera doesn’t see the driver or why he vehicle is parked there, traffic wardens have always been inhuman but taking the human element away totally is bonkers
adam277:
Had a delivery for a school see ticket guy lurking about. I tell him is it ok if I park on entrance to the gate just so I can find someone to open the gate. ‘Sure No Problem’
I run less then 10 meters from the truck and he is taking a photo of the truck with his [zb] ticket thing.
No doubt the company will refuse to pay it as well. Kinda hope they do refuse to pay for it so I can be a right prick about what jobs I take.
I know he is doing an important job as school mums park anywhere but surely a delivery to the actual school should be an exception… Ah well.
So you park on the yellow keep clear , outside of the school, you deserve a ticket.
Ha maybe.
Next time I’ll just refuse to go there.
It’s the only place to park literally as the gate is operated with a fob or via reception no intercom system. All the places I could of parked were filled with cars.
Schools aren’t truck friendly.
I’ve also been told by teachers to park on keep clear sign loads of times to tip as it’s the only place.
I’m only messing, you should of called your boss put the ball in his court say you can deliver but you will be issued a ticket… then you are in the clear. If you get a ticket. Make the boss pay it.
We had a job to a London hotel a delivery of new chairs for the banqueting suit .All arranged and a parking exemption arranged and PAID FOR .
So we have this permit the size of an A4 sheet on the windscreen of the truck .
Do you think it made any difference to the parking wardens ? Not a jot , every single one that came past ,and there was a lot , tried to give us a ticket .
Did a job 2 days later 3/4 mile down the road and the warden couldn’t have been more helpful. The difference between London boroughs is amazing .
I don’t know why employed drivers get so shirty/stressed/angry/offended (delete as appropriate) because a warden issues a parking ticket on the lorry, especially in London. Just hand it in to your employer and let them deal with it. Doubly so if a permit has already been arranged - the company simply returns the ticket with a note giving the permit number and that’s the end of it. Wardens are low paid, low skilled (lower on both counts than many lorry drivers, believe it or not) people who operate to simple “black & white” instructions. They have neither the authority nor the expertise to check if a permit is valid or even genuine.
Was out with a new (to us) driver yesterday who has spent the past couple of years driving mainly for Bidvest/Bidfood - they had a woman in their office whose only job was dealing with parking tickets.
Not sure that’s true about ticket being issued to the vehicle and the driver having no responsibility. I did school deliveries a few years ago and it was a regular occurrence. Firm never paid a thing, their take was you should never park illegally even though some places it was inevitable. We had a fund that we all chipped into that covered it.
mick.mh2racing:
Not sure that’s true about ticket being issued to the vehicle and the driver having no responsibility. I did school deliveries a few years ago and it was a regular occurrence. Firm never paid a thing, their take was you should never park illegally even though some places it was inevitable. We had a fund that we all chipped into that covered it.
sent using smoke signals
Should never park illegally + delivery requires vehicle to be parked illegally + firm won’t pay parking ticket = delivery doesn’t get done.
