Parking ticket on unit the bastards

im off to ireland for a long weekend tomorrow so passing robin park retail park in wigan i thought al just nip on and get a bit of stuff from matalan as i was only in the unit

it was 16.50 the carparks massive and nearly empty so just pull up and nip in

came back to unit at 17.05 ■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ parking ticket on the screen open it up £90 reduced to £55 if paid within 14 days because i was over 4 1/2 ton

went like a bull to security office in middle of carpark an frightened the life out of this little scrawny git of a security guy to find out where the ■■■■■■■ was that put it on he explained its a private firm nothing to do with them an he had just gone he finishes at 17.00

bloody good job i didnt get hold of him

so be warned if any of you ever in wigan and go on there

rant over

Wipe your bottom with the bill or if it’s too rough for that merely file it in the bin. Unless the ticket is from either the old bill or the council that’s all it is… a bill. They will write and huff and puff a bit but just ignore it.

bin it. they will post u a reminer. bin it to

should of gone round the back , plenty of room there

If you didn’t identify yourself and its a firm’s motor they’ve no legal power to establish who was driving.

Its an invoice not a fine,

To pay the invoice you need to have entered a contract.

To enter a contract you need to have been given reasonable contract terms.

So yes, bog roll.

Bin it! :sunglasses: DON’T ENTER ANY CORRESPONDANCE WHATSOEVER. :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: ask next time how the goods get to the shops! :laughing:

My wife got one for parking in a disabled spot. She has a blue badge but had forgotten to put it out. They wrote several times but we ignored them all and eventually they gave up. Don’t know where your bill will go but it might be worth telling the office in case they pay it and knock it off your wages.

Chuck the ticket overboard on your way to Ireland.(Assuming your going over by ferry :smiley: ) Problem solved :grimacing:

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses:

I hear if the truck or car has plates out the UK and you get a say parking or speeding fine they won’t bother chasing it up.
Say that £55 fine it would cost them more trying to chase you up for it

If you haven’t got English plates make a ticket plane and launch it in to the Irish sea :slight_smile:

Dont pay it. This is a copy of a letter written to a parking company by a very well known UK Barrister disputing a parking “fine”, he published it on the internet so that anyone who found themselves in a similair position could use it freely. All you need to do is change the dates, times, company details etc to suit your own circumstances.

To:
Central Payment Office, Creative Parking Solutions, Suite 8, Bridge Chambers Business Centre, 1 Bridge Chambers, Barnstaple, Devon EX31 1HB. Â

Without prejudice, save as to costs
Re. Parking Charge Notice No. ****. Agricultural Inn, Braunton. Vehicle registration **** ***.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I was very surprised to receive a ‘Parking Charge Notice’ (no.****) today at The Agricultural Inn for my vehicle whose registration number is set out at the top of this letter. I dispute the charge for the reasons set out below. Please note that without prejudice to the fact that I dispute the whole basis of the claim, my main beef is with what I consider to be a disproportionate and punitive level of charge.

  1. No contract
    There was no contract between myself and either Creative Parking Solutions or The Agricultural Inn. I did not see the notices when I parked and at that time had no idea any charge whatsoever was required. So the requirements of forming a contract such as a meeting of minds, agreement, certainty of terms, etc were not satisfied. Had I known when I parked, I would have been happy to pay. For what it’s worth, I was helping my local church (St Brannocks) which was organising a Lent Lunch at the Methodist/URC Church next to the Aggi.

  2. Trespass
    If there was no contract, then at most I was guilty of a civil trespass (though this is neither admitted nor denied). If this was the case, I would be liable to damages. Given that I did no damage to the car park and furthermore that the car park was not full when I parked and I believe also when I left, I would suggest that there was therefore no loss at all.

  3. Punitive/unfair/unreasonable
    Without prejudice to the foregoing, even if there was a contract (which is denied):

a. Punitive
The charge that you are levying is punitive and therefore void (ie unenforceable) against me. The charge of £75 is arbitrary and in no way proportionate to any alleged breach of contract. Nor does it even equate to local council charges (which in any event are a completely different beast). This is all the more so for the additional charge of £45 which you say accrues after seven days of non-payment. This would also apply to your mention of any costs incurred through debt recovery unless it followed a court order.

b. Unfair
The charge you are levying is an unfair term (and therefore not binding) pursuant to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. In particular, Schedule 2 of those Regulations gives an indicative (and non-exhaustive) list of terms which may be regarded as unfair and includes at Schedule 2(1)(e) “Terms which have the object or effect of requiring any consumer who fails to fulfil his obligation to pay a disproportionately high sum in compensation.” Furthermore, Regulation 5(1) states that: “A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer” and 5(2) states: “A term shall always be regarded as not having been individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term.”

c. Unreasonable
The charge you are levying is an unreasonable indemnity clause pursuant to section 4(1) of the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 which provides that: "A person cannot by reference to any contract term be made to indemnify another person (whether a party to the contract or not) in respect of liability that may be incurred by the other for negligence or breach of contract, except in so far as the contract term satisfies the requirement of reasonableness.”

Further information
Please take this letter to constitute a written appeal in accordance with your Notice. I also make the following points. I would be grateful for answers to all questions raised and in this respect remind you of the obligations set out in the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct (justice.gov.uk/courts/proced … on_conduct).

  1. Your cause of action: please make this clear. If you claim that I entered into a contract, please send me a complete breakdown of all the terms and conditions of that contract to which you say I agreed.

  2. Your loss: please give me a full breakdown as to the actual loss you say was suffered by either yourselves or The Agricultural Inn.

  3. The appeal: please send me a copy of the procedure which you follow, along with setting out what factors are taken into account, who is the judge or arbitrator and whether they are independent, whether you require oral submissions, whether it is governed by the Arbitration Act 1996 and any other relevant factors. In addition, please give me disclosure of any arguments being put by yourselves on this matter in the Appeal so that I might reply to any new issues which are raised. If you decide to dismiss the appeal, please send me the full reasoning in relation to each of the specific points raised in this letter.

  4. Time for the appeal. Your parking charge notice says: ‘Appeals/challenges received after 7 (seven) days will not be upheld or considered unless in extreme circumkstances, and at the Company’s discretion.’ Please tell me how you say this complies with the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct (above)?

  5. Your ‘Parking Charge Notice’: what do you say is the status of this document? Do you claim it is an invoice pursuant to a contract (in other words an invoice which would generally get declared to the Inland Revenue) or does it have some other status? If it is the latter, please clarify exactly what you say it is?

  6. Your status. Your Parking Charge Notice simply mentions ‘Creative Parking Solutions’. Please tell me who exactly is making this charge? Are you a limited company? If so, why is this not indicated on either the Notice or your website (creativeparkingsolutions.co.uk) along with your company registration number? In this respect, I note that the Companies Act 2006 and the Business Names Act 1985 provides that every UK company should list on its website: its name, its company registration number, its place of registration and its registered office address. If you are not a company, then I assume this is run by an individual or individuals and I would appreciate knowing exactly who is making the claim and in what capacity. Are you VAT registered? For what it’s worth, a female member of staff in The Aggi told me to call ‘Frank’. A couple of articles in the North Devon Journal quote ‘Francis Millard’ and ‘Frank Millard’ for Creative Parking Solutions. Is this or are these the person/people running Creative Parking Solutions?

  7. The Agricultural Inn. A female member of staff in The Agricultural Inn suggested that running the car park had nothing to do with them. Please can you tell me who owns the car park and what is the relationship between The Agricultural Inn and yourselves? Please explain any involvement at all of The Agricultural Inn with yourselves as well as specifically with the Parking Charge Notices. I am also sending them a copy of this letter.

  8. What is the relationship between ‘Creative Parking Solutions’ and Creative Parking Solutions PLC (www.creativecarpark.co.uk)? I am sending a copy of this letter to Gary Wayne who it seems is the CEO of Creative Parking Solutions PLC.  [UPDATE: Gary Wayne has confirmed that the claim is not made by Creative Parking PLC and that the relevant Creative Parking Solutions is at www.creativeparkingsolutions.co.uk]

  9. Your Notice mentions that ‘A photograph may have been taken of the vehicle for evidential value and will be stored in accordance with the Company’s Data Protection procedures’. Please send me a copy of those procedures. Furthermore, pursuant to section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 please send me a copy of any such photo along with a copy of any other data which you hold relating to me.

  10. Please send me details of any Codes by which you claim to comply and any governing body or other such organisation of which you are a member.

  11. Please provide me with the name and address of your solicitors (if any) in order that I may copy them into this correspondence.

  12. For the avoidance of doubt (and without suggesting that you would), please do not do the following:
    a. Send me any document purporting to be from the County Court unless it is a valid Claim Form duly issued.
    b. Write to me threatening to send round bailiffs without first going through the process of issuing a Claim Form and obtaining judgment.
    c. Send me any standard letters either from yourselves or debt-collectors without addressing the specific points raised in this response.
    d. I note that your website says: ‘Unlike some of our competitors, we maximise the deterrent value of parking charge notices by ensuring that all notices issued are pursued if necessary to the issue of a court summons.’ Please can you confirm that this is accurate and tell me how many claims you have pursued to a court hearing? Are there any Notices you have issued which have not been enforced? I note in this respect that a female member of staff in The Agricultural Inn  told me yesterday that she had had a problem (albeit over a different issue apparently) with one of your parking tickets only the day before and I was given the impression that the Notice was not going to be enforced in that case.

  13. If you want to make a claim , for your information you can issue online or I am sure that Barnstaple County Court would also be very happy to give you a form. My address for service is set out at the top of this letter. If you do decide to issue:
    a. I reserve the right to add further arguments to my Defence.
    b. Please rest assured that I will be more than happy to attend any court mediations which might be offered.

I very much look forward to hearing from you.

Yours faithfully

I go shopping on there and yeah they can be ■■■■■■■■■■

If in any doubt then go to Pepipoo and you will be reassured.

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Don’t bother writing any of the above no matter which barrister has done it.

As has been said, ignore it.

Ken.

When your on the ferry sneak upto the wheel house and place said ticket on the windscreen , sit back and wait for the laughter to start , plus you never know they may pay it lol

Dont pay it but whatever you do, DO NOT BIN IT.

Some of the PPC’s are attempting court, it costs slightly more than POPLA but the rewards are alot higher.

As above do not pay. Only tickets issued by the police or council or there appointed agents are inforcable. You have been given an invoice not a fine. You have not purchased anything or signed a contract so it there is nothing to invoice you for.

A friend of mine is a parking attendant. He says some people have up to 15 tickets and still haven’t paid yet his boss does nothing. On a good day he can issue 20 tickets. At £60 a pop his boss isn’t losing sleep over a few non payers.

try not parking there in future, problem solved!!

a mate of mine is a parking warden for Leeds council and the abuse he as from truck drivers moaning cos of cars parked in loading bays, or cars parked ok but cos the truck driver cannot get truck closer to drop ect, what goes around comes around…

dle1uk:
try not parking there in future, problem solved!!

a mate of mine is a parking warden for Leeds council and the abuse he as from truck drivers moaning cos of cars parked in loading bays, or cars parked ok but cos the truck driver cannot get truck closer to drop ect, what goes around comes around…

there was at least 60 empty spaces where i parked , i was in no ones way and blocking no one

i did not intentionally break any laws it is not a pre pay car park it is a retail shopping area that has numerous shops ect with a shared car park that is free for customers ie the people that keep these shops in bussiness as on the said day me being one of them

had there been appropriate weight limit signs displayed at the entrance i would not have entered the car park

so you can keep the bull that you come out with , what comes around goes around

as for your mate i have a bit of respect ( not much but a bit ) for the guys who come up face to face to do you but the cowards who sit in a van and wait for you to get out of sight then do you are nothing but guttless spineless nobodys who should of been spat out in a bj rather than conceived

I always tell them my cars’ been cloned, works every time.