malcolmgbell:
What does it cost you to sign,this is why we get [zb],because you won’t stand together,so what if nothing comes of it,at least the geza is trying to do some think about it, there’s so much negertiverty on here it’s in real,if any think it would show unity with in the job,but as said on here before it will never happen,your all your own worst enemy’s well done opfor starting it good luck but your posting on the wrong forum
Costs absolutely nothing to sign, but I aint going to ‘stick together’ with something I want no part of because I don’t believe in parking on MSA s for all the reasons I’ve already layed out.
If you think that’s negativity, or me being my own worst enemy …not sure how that one works, tbh, but that’s your opinion.
On the other hand I would sign a petition to reduce drivers hours, or to get proper designated parking facilities provided, or decent pay structures in the industry, or any other thing I agreed with…that’s how it works.
It was not aimed at you,it was aimed at all of use,it would be a start, not just msa but all the above
malcolmgbell:
What does it cost you to sign,this is why we get [zb],because you won’t stand together,so what if nothing comes of it,at least the geza is trying to do some think about it, there’s so much negertiverty on here it’s in real,if any think it would show unity with in the job,but as said on here before it will never happen,your all your own worst enemy’s well done opfor starting it good luck but your posting on the wrong forum
Costs absolutely nothing to sign, but I aint going to ‘stick together’ with something I want no part of because I don’t believe in parking on MSA s for all the reasons I’ve already layed out.
If you think that’s negativity, or me being my own worst enemy …not sure how that one works, tbh, but that’s your opinion.
On the other hand I would sign a petition to reduce drivers hours, or to get proper designated parking facilities provided, or decent pay structures in the industry, or any other thing I agreed with…that’s how it works.
Genuine question,
I am not in or have ever been in a union. However isn’t the principle that you stick together at all times, whether you agree with that point or not? It is the togetherness that gets things done even if you don’t agree with that point?
You won’t sign this because you don’t agree with it, your choice of course. Are you then in a position to complain that someone else won’t back reducing hours as they don’t agree with it?
muckles:
I should imagine MSA owners would love to be boycotted by truck drivers, it would give them and excuse to use the lorry park for something more profitable.
However the amount of parking for HGVs in the UK is pathetic, and like so many other things where the goverment tries to get out of thier obligations by saying market forces should be the driver to improved services, but as we know that just means things get worse the solution is a political one.
It doesn’t have to be tax payers money used to build truckstops, but a change in the planning regulations so anybody who wants to build an industrial estate or distribution park must include a parking area for trucks, but of course those who build these estates would be against it and no doubt are major contributors to party funds.
that^
…and if you want to build a garage, fuel station, next to a dual cariageway you have to (as part of planning consent, maybe) accomdate a few trucks. I see a lot of signs for “Services”, …follow the signs and there is only parking for a few cars.
Personally I couldn’t give a toss about the security of the load overnight…that’s for the boss to worry about not me.
when I hit eject on that tachometer my shift is over and the night is mine to enjoy…its certainly not to worry if the load is about to be stolen.
malcolmgbell:
What does it cost you to sign,this is why we get [zb],because you won’t stand together,so what if nothing comes of it,at least the geza is trying to do some think about it, there’s so much negertiverty on here it’s in real,if any think it would show unity with in the job,but as said on here before it will never happen,your all your own worst enemy’s well done opfor starting it good luck but your posting on the wrong forum
Costs absolutely nothing to sign, but I aint going to ‘stick together’ with something I want no part of because I don’t believe in parking on MSA s for all the reasons I’ve already layed out.
If you think that’s negativity, or me being my own worst enemy …not sure how that one works, tbh, but that’s your opinion.
On the other hand I would sign a petition to reduce drivers hours, or to get proper designated parking facilities provided, or decent pay structures in the industry, or any other thing I agreed with…that’s how it works.
Genuine question,
I am not in or have ever been in a union. However isn’t the principle that you stick together at all times, whether you agree with that point or not? It is the togetherness that gets things done even if you don’t agree with that point?
You won’t sign this because you don’t agree with it, your choice of course. Are you then in a position to complain that someone else won’t back reducing hours as they don’t agree with it?
Yeh but it aint a Union situation is it, it’s one guy trying to achieve something that I don’t care about,.I’d rather we had proper parking places, and that drivers were not reduced to using these crapholes …where they are not wanted anyway.
As much as I would love drivers to stick together I gave up on it years ago, nobody has the spine for a ruck anymore.
Me ‘sticking together’ with something I don’t agree with will not make a ■■■■ of a difference anyway, even if I was prepared to.
And anyway,.can you point out where I ‘‘complained’’ about not getting backing about drivers hours?
muckles:
I should imagine MSA owners would love to be boycotted by truck drivers, it would give them and excuse to use the lorry park for something more profitable.
I’m not sure you’ve thought that one through too well before writing that . Find me another business that can generate £3k per site per night for effectively doing [zb] all and I’m all ears.
I might not have thought it through, but what is the land making per sq metre, especially considering you need a bigger area than each truck takes up.
Also if it was such a profitable business model, why aren’t there basic truckstops springing up all over the place, with no more than hardstanding, a toilet and vending machine?
malcolmgbell:
What does it cost you to sign,this is why we get [zb],because you won’t stand together,so what if nothing comes of it,at least the geza is trying to do some think about it, there’s so much negertiverty on here it’s in real,if any think it would show unity with in the job,but as said on here before it will never happen,your all your own worst enemy’s well done opfor starting it good luck but your posting on the wrong forum
Costs absolutely nothing to sign, but I aint going to ‘stick together’ with something I want no part of because I don’t believe in parking on MSA s for all the reasons I’ve already layed out.
If you think that’s negativity, or me being my own worst enemy …not sure how that one works, tbh, but that’s your opinion.
On the other hand I would sign a petition to reduce drivers hours, or to get proper designated parking facilities provided, or decent pay structures in the industry, or any other thing I agreed with…that’s how it works.
Genuine question,
I am not in or have ever been in a union. However isn’t the principle that you stick together at all times, whether you agree with that point or not? It is the togetherness that gets things done even if you don’t agree with that point?
You stick together on a course of action that has been agreed upon by a vote of the members; otherwise union member would have to back any action regardless of whether it was agreed by the majority.
This mean if Brother Rob felt that he and all his fellow drivers should be dressed in a mankini and high heels while driving, with a hi-viz version for site work, the other members of the union don’t have to back him unless it is agreed by a vote.
The problem comes from when a few people take control of the union, because the other members become apathetic and don’t bother taking part in the process of forming policy, this also happens in national and international politics.
muckles:
I should imagine MSA owners would love to be boycotted by truck drivers, it would give them and excuse to use the lorry park for something more profitable.
I’m not sure you’ve thought that one through too well before writing that . Find me another business that can generate £3k per site per night for effectively doing [zb] all and I’m all ears.
I might not have thought it through, but what is the land making per sq metre, especially considering you need a bigger area than each truck takes up.
Also if it was such a profitable business model, why aren’t there basic truckstops springing up all over the place, with no more than hardstanding, a toilet and vending machine?
They are where they can get local authority planning permission for either a new site or change of use. The problem is that planning consent only goes through once a blue moon because of nimbyism whining about thundering juggernauts killing little Tarquin and Talula.
muckles:
Also if it was such a profitable business model, why aren’t there basic truckstops springing up all over the place, with no more than hardstanding, a toilet and vending machine?
Because the…
MSAs themselves are in the prime area… the motorway itself. There’s nowhere else with such ease of access to the whole motorway network. They’re run by huge well established organisations.
A great many new truckstops opened over the last twenty years have failed. The prime example being BPs attempt at giving us a network. Lymm is now a dump.
With drivers nowadays always pushing for every minute and every mile, the MSA will always be the easiest to stop at for the night.
Aren’t MSAs full up from late afternoon? Don’t trucks arrive looking for spaces but not find any? So, can we say that since there’s demand, but no one is supplying that demand that the basic (very suspect) idea of capitalist supply and demand doesn’t apply?
It’s not a free market because Government and Councils restrict land use. So the problem is of their making and the solution lies with them.
However those whose wealth comes from the “free market” economy may suddenly prefer a more centralised and regulated approach when the field next to their county house is sold for truck parking.
Most of the BP truckstops were very close to the Motorway or main trunk route network and I recall them being pretty full most nights, but even so, BP and those companies that replaced them still didn’t make enough to keep them open.
Lymm is on the junction of 2 main motorways and the owners over the years have increasingly tried to attract car drivers and coach passenger, so I assume it doesn’t make enough money for the shareholders, to keep it as a dedicated truckstop.
Many of the large distribution parks are next to the motorway and they have the same NIMBY planning issues over trucks etc that those who wish to build truckstops have, but they seem to get over these issues because big companies looking at big profits will often win against a bunch of NIMBY’s but these big companies don’t see the same business opportunity in creating a truckstop on these business parks created to be serviced by the road haulage sector.
So if MSA are full and trucks are so profitable why aren’t they either trying to extend the land they have for truck parking or converting existing car and coach spaces into truck parking spaces, Or is it that coach and car users are more profitable per sq metre than trucks?
…not sure how that one works, tbh, but that’s your opinion.
