A lot of news about recently about operators with restricted licences not doing enough to ensure that they are compliant when using vehicles fitted with tachographs. I already know of lots of restricted operators who have had to have a TM in order to operate. Will this eventually become the norm or will it never happen? If not why not?
You short of something to do?
I’ll be rubbing my hands together if this ever happened but no not short of things to do 
Who gives a ■■■■
Mrgee1956:
Who gives a [zb]
Little bit of a hostile response for a legitimate discussion on an open forum. Nothing better to do?
I’m more bothered about restricted operraters doing hire and reward, it’s quite a bug bear of mine!!
I agree with you , “Strawgalore” , and the only way to prevent this continuing is for these cretins to be named
and shamed to the Traffic Commissioners with photographic evidence and livestock movement details .
“Helping a neighbour/friend/chapel sidesman” is a common excuse from my old area. These same farmers ( 
) are
the ones who have no Goods in Transit insurance, thus enabling them to haul at a reduced price. They do not possess
a C.P.C. , and will probably become exempt from needing the forthcoming legal D.C.P.C.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
P.S. “Strawgalore” , - have you fixed your alarm clock yet ? 
You are bang on with some Farmers hauling neighbours stock etc Roy. My cousin like yourself was a live stock haulier and constantly complained about farmers doing him, and other livestock hauliers out of work.
As for the DCPC here is the requirements.
Driver E
Driver E is a farmer. On an average of once a month, they transport some of their livestock to a local cattle market for auction. They need to have Driver CPC when doing this, as they’re not carrying materials or equipment for their use in the course of their work —they’re carrying cattle intended for sale.
Driver F
Driver F is a farmer. Twice a month they drive a lorry on public roads around their farm, repairing fences. The vehicle carries the tools and materials they need to make these repairs. They don’t need to have Driver CPC because they’re carrying materials to be used by them in the course of their work repairing fences.
Driver G
Driver G is employed by a farmer as a labourer. Twice a day they drive a minibus under a D1 driving licence, transporting workers from the local town to various fields on the farm. The driving activity takes up a relatively small proportion of their day. The majority of their shift is spent with the other workers picking crops. They need to have Driver CPC because they’re transporting the other labourers — they’re not carrying materials or equipment.
Driver H
Driver H is a farm labourer. Their normal duties include transporting livestock and crops around the farm in a lorry. They need to have Driver CPC when driving on public roads while doing this as they’re carrying goods intended for sale, as opposed to materials or equipment.
Alarm clock cwm? Have you been spying on me??
Dave the Renegade:
You are bang on with some Farmers hauling neighbours stock etc Roy. My cousin like yourself was a live stock haulier and constantly complained about farmers doing him, and other livestock hauliers out of work.As for the DCPC here is the requirements.
Driver E
Driver E is a farmer. On an average of once a month, they transport some of their livestock to a local cattle market for auction. They need to have Driver CPC when doing this, as they’re not carrying materials or equipment for their use in the course of their work —they’re carrying cattle intended for sale.Driver F
Driver F is a farmer. Twice a month they drive a lorry on public roads around their farm, repairing fences. The vehicle carries the tools and materials they need to make these repairs. They don’t need to have Driver CPC because they’re carrying materials to be used by them in the course of their work repairing fences.Driver G
Driver G is employed by a farmer as a labourer. Twice a day they drive a minibus under a D1 driving licence, transporting workers from the local town to various fields on the farm. The driving activity takes up a relatively small proportion of their day. The majority of their shift is spent with the other workers picking crops. They need to have Driver CPC because they’re transporting the other labourers — they’re not carrying materials or equipment.Driver H
Driver H is a farm labourer. Their normal duties include transporting livestock and crops around the farm in a lorry. They need to have Driver CPC when driving on public roads while doing this as they’re carrying goods intended for sale, as opposed to materials or equipment.
Im getting an anti farmer vibe of you Dave 
I asked that very question through my MP and got a nicely signed and headed letter from Marsham Street saying they had no plans either now, or in the future to introduce more stringent “restrictions” on restricted operator licences. I am sure I posted the scanned copy on here. I will have a look around for it.
Strawgalore:
Alarm clock cwm? Have you been spying on me??
Yeah ,…I was waiting for you to leave for work…
Cheers , Anon.
Dave the Renegade:
You are bang on with some Farmers hauling neighbours stock etc Roy. My cousin like yourself was a live stock haulier and constantly complained about farmers doing him, and other livestock hauliers out of work.As for the DCPC here is the requirements.
Driver E
Driver E is a farmer. On an average of once a month, they transport some of their livestock to a local cattle market for auction. They need to have Driver CPC when doing this, as they’re not carrying materials or equipment for their use in the course of their work —they’re carrying cattle intended for sale.Driver F
Driver F is a farmer. Twice a month they drive a lorry on public roads around their farm, repairing fences. The vehicle carries the tools and materials they need to make these repairs. They don’t need to have Driver CPC because they’re carrying materials to be used by them in the course of their work repairing fences.Driver G
Driver G is employed by a farmer as a labourer. Twice a day they drive a minibus under a D1 driving licence, transporting workers from the local town to various fields on the farm. The driving activity takes up a relatively small proportion of their day. The majority of their shift is spent with the other workers picking crops. They need to have Driver CPC because they’re transporting the other labourers — they’re not carrying materials or equipment.Driver H
Driver H is a farm labourer. Their normal duties include transporting livestock and crops around the farm in a lorry. They need to have Driver CPC when driving on public roads while doing this as they’re carrying goods intended for sale, as opposed to materials or equipment.
When was the last time you saw a farmer in court for an offence under any of the goods regulations? I reckon they must be immune from plod due to the massive parliamentary lobby they carry.
Brings to mind the regular sightings of a JCB Fastrak with tandem axle trailer hauling huge loads of corn along the M65.
Wheel Nut:
I asked that very question through my MP and got a nicely signed and headed letter from Marsham Street saying they had no plans either now, or in the future to introduce more stringent “restrictions” on restricted operator licences. I am sure I posted the scanned copy on here. I will have a look around for it.
In all honesty I think this will happen, maybe not now but definitely in the future.
This just sounds a bit like paranoid hauliers convinced someone’s nicking their business. Just because a farmer gets his neigbour to take some livestock in his ratty old 18 tonner for him doesn’t automatically mean he’d get a haulier in otherwise. Much more likely do couple of overloaded runs with an Ifor behind the Land Rover himself instead.
Well I have come across one company today that have a restricted licence but carry someone else’s goods. They have a restricted operators licence for the same premises of the company they pull for they they are completely different entities. They have been running out of there for 20 years or so but I have today noticed they do have an application in for a SN licence for the same place.
Spam-Javelin:
Well I have come across one company today that have a restricted licence but carry someone else’s goods. They have a restricted operators licence for the same premises of the company they pull for they they are completely different entities. They have been running out of there for 20 years or so but I have today noticed they do have an application in for a SN licence for the same place.
Is it another company or a subsidiary company of the O’licence holder? If its the later they can still all their goods with a restricted licence.
I don’t think there will be a change to require a CPC holder in the near future, but with so many jobs needing somebody to have a certificate to say they are competent. I can see something being introduced eventually, maybe a CPC lite, that just covers knowledge of the law related to operating commercial vehicles, but not all the costing and business management stuff.
Own Account Driver:
This just sounds a bit like paranoid hauliers convinced someone’s nicking their business. Just because a farmer gets his neigbour to take some livestock in his ratty old 18 tonner for him doesn’t automatically mean he’d get a haulier in otherwise. Much more likely do couple of overloaded runs with an Ifor behind the Land Rover himself instead.
Paranoid hauliers jump though lots of hoops to get and keep a full O license , it’s not just livestock seeing a restricted license wagon doing all kinds of work spoils my day .
Strawgalore:
Own Account Driver:
This just sounds a bit like paranoid hauliers convinced someone’s nicking their business. Just because a farmer gets his neigbour to take some livestock in his ratty old 18 tonner for him doesn’t automatically mean he’d get a haulier in otherwise. Much more likely do couple of overloaded runs with an Ifor behind the Land Rover himself instead.Paranoid hauliers jump though lots of hoops to get and keep a full O license , it’s not just livestock seeing a restricted license wagon doing all kinds of work spoils my day .
Really?
Because there was me thinking they just needed a few grand more in the bank and sit an exam with a ridiculously low percentage required to pass.
Own Account Driver:
Strawgalore:
Own Account Driver:
This just sounds a bit like paranoid hauliers convinced someone’s nicking their business. Just because a farmer gets his neigbour to take some livestock in his ratty old 18 tonner for him doesn’t automatically mean he’d get a haulier in otherwise. Much more likely do couple of overloaded runs with an Ifor behind the Land Rover himself instead.Paranoid hauliers jump though lots of hoops to get and keep a full O license , it’s not just livestock seeing a restricted license wagon doing all kinds of work spoils my day .
Really?
Because there was me thinking they just needed a few grand more in the bank and sit an exam with a ridiculously low percentage required to pass.
So you see no issue with un licensed haulage?