cattle wagon man:
Strawgalore:
Alarm clock cwm? Have you been spying on me??Yeah ,…I was waiting for you to leave for work…
Cheers , Anon.
CWM I HOPE YOU DON’T MEAN WHAT I THINK UOU MEAN , any how she leaves before me most mornings! 
Own Account Driver:
Strawgalore:
Own Account Driver:
This just sounds a bit like paranoid hauliers convinced someone’s nicking their business. Just because a farmer gets his neigbour to take some livestock in his ratty old 18 tonner for him doesn’t automatically mean he’d get a haulier in otherwise. Much more likely do couple of overloaded runs with an Ifor behind the Land Rover himself instead.Paranoid hauliers jump though lots of hoops to get and keep a full O license , it’s not just livestock seeing a restricted license wagon doing all kinds of work spoils my day .
Really?
Because there was me thinking they just needed a few grand more in the bank and sit an exam with a ridiculously low percentage required to pass.
What’s your understanding of ridiculously low percentage?
Strawgalore:
cattle wagon man:
Strawgalore:
Alarm clock cwm? Have you been spying on me??Yeah ,…I was waiting for you to leave for work…
Cheers , Anon.
CWM I HOPE YOU DON’T MEAN WHAT I THINK UOU MEAN , any how she leaves before me most mornings!
Hi “Strawgalore” ,
I was meaning Id try to take a photo as you turn onto the main road . :exclamation: :exclamation: Taking photos of your motor square wheeled isnt as interesting as on the move .
As for your Good Lady ,…I havent met her . :frowning: I wasnt being rude . 
I guess shes not as wary as your cab mutt` guard dog.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
I’ve worked for a few companies with a restricted O’licence and on the whole they tried to run a good legal operation. But as nobody was actually qualified or even had a background in commercial transport things weren’t always done the right way and sometimes in a way that could get people into a lot of trouble.
Such as not understanding double manning regs, and thinking you could just continue until you reach the destination.
Or there was not knowing that an HGV needs an annual test a year after first registration.
Or believing the only restriction on a driver was hours driven, so a driver had worked many 18 hours days.
None of these incidents would have occurred or if they had they would of been jumped on, if they’d had a decent transport manager who understood the regulations and the penalties. Or maybe just an audit of their transport operation once a year.
puntabrava:
Dave the Renegade:
You are bang on with some Farmers hauling neighbours stock etc Roy. My cousin like yourself was a live stock haulier and constantly complained about farmers doing him, and other livestock hauliers out of work.As for the DCPC here is the requirements.
Driver E
Driver E is a farmer. On an average of once a month, they transport some of their livestock to a local cattle market for auction. They need to have Driver CPC when doing this, as they’re not carrying materials or equipment for their use in the course of their work —they’re carrying cattle intended for sale.Driver F
Driver F is a farmer. Twice a month they drive a lorry on public roads around their farm, repairing fences. The vehicle carries the tools and materials they need to make these repairs. They don’t need to have Driver CPC because they’re carrying materials to be used by them in the course of their work repairing fences.Driver G
Driver G is employed by a farmer as a labourer. Twice a day they drive a minibus under a D1 driving licence, transporting workers from the local town to various fields on the farm. The driving activity takes up a relatively small proportion of their day. The majority of their shift is spent with the other workers picking crops. They need to have Driver CPC because they’re transporting the other labourers — they’re not carrying materials or equipment.Driver H
Driver H is a farm labourer. Their normal duties include transporting livestock and crops around the farm in a lorry. They need to have Driver CPC when driving on public roads while doing this as they’re carrying goods intended for sale, as opposed to materials or equipment.Im getting an anti farmer vibe of you Dave
Not at all. Cattle Wagon Man referred to Farmers hauling stock for other people in an earlier post . I was just copying and pasting the rules regarding Farmers on a restricted licence. I have lived in a rural area all of my life.
Cheers Dave.
Hi all ,
The problem of farmers , etc., abusing the Restricted Licence legal/lawful conditions stemmed from the
ending of the earlier “A” , “B” (road haulage) , “C” (carrier of own goods) , and “F” (farmers) Licences in the
early 1970`s. - I think that date is correct .
The old “F” licence was issued on very strict terms , and (lawful) hauliers kept a wary eye for any farmer
flouting and cheating. Penalties sometimes resulted in removal of the licence.
With the introduction of the “O” licencing system , virtually any farmer could apply for a “Restricted” Licence , and ,…
…they found new freedom to help friends/neighbours/chapel chums......... etc., by hauling their livestock/hay & straw/wool/ feedstuffs,… etc… This put (back-pocket ) money into their pockets ,…and paying only a fraction in Road Tax. 
Neither the Customs & Excise or Taxman saw a penny of their additional income. 
A “Restricted” licence holder did not have the need for a legal requirement of a C.P.C. holder .
A farmer possessing a “Restricted” licence could only obtain a Goods in Transit insurance cover for his own goods .
His Insurance Company would be unaware of the deception.
I am stating these disgusting floutings of the “Restricted” licences from what I have witnessed throughout my years in our family haulage business. Sadly , though, the Traffic Commissioners did not seem interested in investigating our concerns.
Hell,…even a (self) prominent farmer/Councillor from my own village was one of the many offenders.
That says a lot about the local Christian :unamused: community, of which I was NOT a member.
Many thanks to “D.T.R.” for his , - and others too - contributions on here.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
As a “country boy” I totally agree with CWM. Back in the distant past, when farmers were allowed to travel a “reasonable distance” on public roads in order to access different parts of their estates, it was common to see untaxed tractors with loads of hay & straw trundling down the highways vast distances from their farms. It’s always happened and I can’t see anything changing it, mostly for the aforementioned reason of the agricultural lobby being so important to politicians of every persuasion.