Prob a TS 50
TS50 Failing to comply with traffic sign (excluding ‘stop’ signs, traffic lights or double white lines.
MickyB666:
joe royal:
What is the offence code ?Assuming it is a CU.
Sorry I don’t know what a CU is but the offence as printed on the FPN is ‘Fail to comply with a traffic sign - RTA 1988 S36’, so the code is S36 I assume?
The S36 means section 36, of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
A link to the act is below.
Roymondo:
I wonder if the cheap Chinese satnavs favoured by some participants here would do the same…?
Just checked mine and it routes me thru 1a indeed 
though it then moves onto the east tunnel, so it knows the height but does not know the lanes are blocked
MickyB666:
m1cks:
Out of interest, what is the offence they are issuing the points on? Due care etc?The offence I committed was ‘failure to comply with a traffic sign’.
m1cks:
Might be worth going on to PePiPoo and just running the information through the knowledgable people on there. There may be something that makes the offence invalid.I have never heard of PePiPoo, I accept the fine and the points but will google them out of interest.
They’re a good bunch there. Even if it’s a technicality with the placing or the actual signage used - they know all the regs that the signs must comply with and it’s possible if they’re not compliant, you have grounds for a successful appeal. I knew you’ve been honest if accepting responsibility but if you can avoid 3 points then it’s worth a shot.
Glen A9:
Winseer:
There should be a “Warning 15’9” sign on the entrance slip J1a…There are, but you won’t find them on Google Streetview photos from 2014.
For example, this is one of the new ones, with what it replaced.
That new replacement sign is as clear as mud here… It does NOT say “Alternative route for overheight vehicles M25 North Access.” or anything like words to that effect. There’s no warning regarding the
Anyone not familiar with the area (and a few that are!) is going to look at that sign and think. "Hmm I want to cross to the Thurrock side, and Gatwick is in the wrong direction - so I’m buggered if I’m going THAT way for no decent reason mentioned on the sign…
That diamond thing on it’s own just doesn’t cut it, as it’s far too vague in it’s use here.
It doesn’t help much that the exit from Sainsburys roundabout shown in that pic has a 2015 date stamp on it - and Does NOT show in broad daylight any 15’9" warning, meaning anyone using Google Earth to pre-plan their trip in this area for the first time is going to be totally mislead…
MickyB666:
m1cks:
Out of interest, what is the offence they are issuing the points on? Due care etc?The offence I committed was ‘failure to comply with a traffic sign’.
m1cks:
Might be worth going on to PePiPoo and just running the information through the knowledgable people on there. There may be something that makes the offence invalid.I have never heard of PePiPoo, I accept the fine and the points but will google them out of interest.
Scrap my last message, seems that Trubster has been there/done that for you already.
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Winseer:
It doesn’t help much that the exit from Sainsburys roundabout shown in that pic has a 2015 date stamp on it - and Does NOT show in broad daylight any 15’9" warning, meaning anyone using Google Earth to pre-plan their trip in this area for the first time is going to be totally mislead…
That sign is the one I posted the new version of, the photos on Google Streetview are dated June 2014. goo.gl/maps/ph8PMZyBLjF2
I don’t know if there any additional new signs directing overheight vehicles to the southbound carriageway, as I haven’t been there myself since the changes took effect a year ago, but irrespective of that, it is still clear that there is a height limit to join the northbound carriageway at that junction.
The thing about J1a if you’re coming from Erith direction in particular - is that one goes around the roundabout, and if coming from the Dartford Crossways direction - there’s even a filter lane that once committed to, you cannot back out of once you get around the corner…
The big point I’m trying to make here is that the 15’9" aspect of the sliproad is poorly signposted, and doesn’t make allowances for either those with old satnavs nor those coming from the west, who did the job a few months back, but have fallen into complacency at worst.
In my mind a fine AND points is too harsh for such an easy mistake to make.
It should be £100 OR 3 points for contesting the fine…
That way, the motivation for the authorities having made this a cash cow then becomes honest, and obvious.
I’d hope that no pro driver would ever consider taking the points instead of paying a fine of a single day’s shift wages. 
Fowler Welch dishing these out with paperwork
MickyB666:
Roymondo:
… and in doing so identifying himself as an amateur in the eyes of other drivers ?I have only been driving a few months and still consider myself to be very much an ‘amateur’ and I would not try to pretend otherwise however I do not see any reason why I would need to disclose, hide or even mention this fact in relation to my OP!.. And I am pretty sure all drivers where amateurs to begin with unless they claim to have drove out of the womb tooting on the horns of a Scania whilst eating a Yorkie and singing convoy!
bubsy06:
Fowler Welch dishing these out with paperwork
Points added to operators licence - I should inform the firm then?
N0rbert:
If you add the right tunnel as a destination(or a waypoint) it will keep you off from the low tunnel. You can pinpoint it on your satnav, or add it as GPS coordinates. Like I did here:
I’ve just checked my TomTom satnav about J1A. I updated it 4-5 months ago. From J1A it took me filtering from lane 1 to lane 3, which is wrong now. Not the one I just posted. After update it took be back to J2, and turned me around at the rdb and through the righ-hand tunnel.
Always keep you sat-nav updated.
The old TomTom map had this serial: 950.6501 and the new one is: 960.7053
Google Maps still has the WRONG layout at J1A!!!
bubsy06:
Fowler Welch dishing these out with paperwork
Well done Fowler Welch , this is really spot on!
I have just hung my keys up for the last time in September (6 months after my ‘official’ retirement date btw) and to be honest after over 40 years of rising at silly ‘o’ clock in the morning and finishing at silly ‘o’ clock at night and all the regulations that are springing up by the day which to be honest are purely and simply in my view designed just to extricate a driver’s hard earned money from their wallet I am glad I am not doing any more driving for a living and have nothing at all to do with safety 
I can certainly accept the issue of safety etc., but it appears now that all the authorities are interested in is number crunching and increasing revenue for a cash strapped government as obviously if you managed to arrive at the tunnel and attempted to go through then so be it done and dusted so to speak it is as you say a fair cop 
But to issue a ticket for making a simple mistake, which lets be honest how many drivers have not made any mistakes in their daily routine that have not hurt or inconvenienced anybody other than to alert the Stasi officers and then for them to issue and FP is in my book a step too far!
As I said earlier I have now hung my keys up for good, and although I enjoyed the last 40+ years of the job, truck driving must be the only profession that as soon as you clock on so to speak you will have broken some totally obscure rule or regulation you did not know about which could cost you money as an example about 18 months ago one of our drivers was pulled at the weigh bridge on the M62 at Rochdale and as it was a Monday morning he told the examiner (a nice young lady apparently) that he made a mistake on the friday evening and due to someone coming over and bending his ear (he was the assistant shop steward) about something he forgot to remove his card,and left it in all weekend on crossed hammers.
An easy mistake to make which he only found on the Monday morning when he started his days work, her response was quite simply " I am glad you told me about that as if I had found it on the download and you had not told me I would have issued you with a fixed penalty of £100.00 for not recording your weekly rest period" but as she said she knew about it after she had checked the download which showed the vehicle had not been moved all weekend she gave him an official caution meaning it would be recorded against his name for future reference!
Now I am all for dealing with the ‘Stetson and Six gun’ brigade (cowboys to you & me btw) but for a driver to make an honest mistake and then for her to say if the vehicle had shown any movement at all, even if it were for garage maintenance or even to have it moved by another person it would have negated the rest period and a prosecution would have definitely been the case, have these people never heard of discretion or even better ‘Common Sense’ that is one aspect of the job I will not miss I can assure you
As a retired H & S union rep I also will not miss the petty minded individuals who purport to be ‘safety managers’ who implement petty little rules to show their authority and woe betide anyone who crosses their path, as the only sanction they have is to ban you off site for some minor transgression, and unfortunately these little Hitler’s create more problems than they solve as H & S has taken on the role of ‘where there is blame there is a claim’, we all have a duty of care to ourselves and others but some of the rules are just blatantly ridiculous such as wearing a hard hat in an open area where there is no danger whatsoever of anything falling on your head but as one shop steward said to me one day the hard hat is not there to protect your head, it is there for the emergency services to find you when you are pushed in to the ground with just your head showing after something has dropped out of the sky off an aeroplane from 20,000ft and landed on your bonce!!!
m1cks:
MickyB666:
m1cks:
Out of interest, what is the offence they are issuing the points on? Due care etc?The offence I committed was ‘failure to comply with a traffic sign’.
m1cks:
Might be worth going on to PePiPoo and just running the information through the knowledgable people on there. There may be something that makes the offence invalid.I have never heard of PePiPoo, I accept the fine and the points but will google them out of interest.
Scrap my last message, seems that Trubster has been there/done that for you already.
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I didn’t really get the answer to my question, mainly because they were looking at other points such as “Medication” and “Not paying attention”
This is different. When I was last there, there was not a 629.2A sign on BOTH sides of the entry slip, only on the direction signpost.
Figure 629.2A
The regulations state;
They certainly were not on both sides of the road from the 1A entry slip last time I was there.
I have noticed they have since added it to the roundabout sign, like this.
Carryfast:
eddie snax:
Carryfast:
If I’ve read it right it’s an un marked exit from a junction into a slip road leading into an un avoidable height restriction with no way out after that junction.At which point they’ll then hit the unfortunate driver with 3 points and a £100 fine.That isn’t a driver error and the Highways Authority certainly are to blame.I’m pretty certain that there are signs on the way upto the roundabout, I load out off Viridor at Crayford regular, though I’m not higher than 14’6" so don’t really out a sign for 15’ +.
You’d see that GlenA9 has put a snap shot of the signs on the next post to yours
I was going by Winseer’s comments which seemed to contradict the OP.Going by Glen A9’s post that says no vehicles over 4.8 m at that junction exit.Although it’s easy to understand how anyone might confuse that with the usually expected warning not order sign in that situation.
I would agree with that, its a bit off a shambles to be honest, but the signs are there, so what can you say when ticketed
MickyB666:
Roymondo:
… and in doing so identifying himself as an amateur in the eyes of other drivers ?I have only been driving a few months and still consider myself to be very much an ‘amateur’ and I would not try to pretend otherwise however I do not see any reason why I would need to disclose, hide or even mention this fact in relation to my OP!.. And I am pretty sure all drivers where amateurs to begin with unless they claim to have drove out of the womb tooting on the horns of a Scania whilst eating a Yorkie and singing convoy!
I don’t consider you an amateur, even though you didnt drive out of the womb tooting on the horns of a Scania whilst eating a Yorkie and singing convoy. That’s was just your misfortune. You are a novice, and with experience you will come to find that no professional trucker ever makes a mistake eventually you will be this good too 
then you will always post that you know of this trucker who … 
trubster:
what was the overall outcome of yours if you don’t mind me asking? Did you accept the fine and points?
m1cks:
what was the overall outcome of yours if you don’t mind me asking? Did you accept the fine and points?
I wasn’t over height and never got pulled. Just speaking as an “Interested Party”
Winseer:
The big point I’m trying to make here is that the 15’9" aspect of the sliproad is poorly signposted, and doesn’t make allowances for either those with old satnavs nor those coming from the west, who did the job a few months back, but have fallen into complacency at worst.In my mind a fine AND points is too harsh for such an easy mistake to make.
It should be £100 OR 3 points for contesting the fine…
Can’t agree with this - You’re effectively saying that drivers should be OK to “not notice” proper, official road signage because they have their nose buried in an old Satnav or “always came this way in the past without a problem”. Would you apply the same leeway to a speed limit, a weight limit or a No Entry sign?
Roymondo:
Winseer:
The big point I’m trying to make here is that the 15’9" aspect of the sliproad is poorly signposted, and doesn’t make allowances for either those with old satnavs nor those coming from the west, who did the job a few months back, but have fallen into complacency at worst.In my mind a fine AND points is too harsh for such an easy mistake to make.
It should be £100 OR 3 points for contesting the fine…
Can’t agree with this - You’re effectively saying that drivers should be OK to “not notice” proper, official road signage because they have their nose buried in an old Satnav or “always came this way in the past without a problem”. Would you apply the same leeway to a speed limit, a weight limit or a No Entry sign?
BUT IT ISN’T SIGNPOSTED PROPERLY! That is the argument here.