delboytwo:
as your driver in your example had a break in 6 hours
lets see yes
1 pm till 1.15 pm
Which takes care of the first 6 hours and resets the clock, just as taking a 45 minutes after 4.5 hours driving does. He now begins another 6 hour period, which ends, and the clock is reset again, with the 30 minute break between 14:30 and 15:00, just as it would be if you did one hour driving after a 45 minute break and then took another 45 minutes. He then begins another 6 hour period which runs until 21:00 when he must take a 15 minute break to avoid falling foul of Section 7 (1).
Coffeeholic:
He aint going to change the habits of a lifetime ROG, fully expect non relevant stuff to be quoted.
I now have an insight into what you went through with me
I think I need another little guy banging his head alongside the dude already in my avatar.
The problem is Section 7 (1) is such a clear and simple rule that I am struggling to try to explain it in a way which makes it even clearer. You really can’t make something which is already 100% clear more clear. What makes it more baffling is that Del fully understand that taking 45 minutes after 4.5 hours driving doesn’t remove the need for a second 45 minutes if you do another 4.5 hours, but the WTD 6 hour ruling, which is basically the same rule, he doesn’t grasp.
delboytwo:
so can i ask you this why do dft put this in then
If the mobile workers were to work longer than 9 hours than total breaks for the day would be
45 minutes.
That isn’t from the regulations, that is from a DfT guide and is badly worded, it should have the words ‘at least’ in there. Read the regulations, not a poorly written guide to them. The writer has taken Section 7 (3) and in an attempt to explain it has ‘simplified’ it in a way which can be misleading.
However, that same guide also says
The Regulations require that:
mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break,
so you are doing that selective reading thing again. In this case the writer of the guide has actually made it more clear than in the actual regulations that it isn’t just the first 6 hours of work, it is any period of 6 consecutive hours.
■■■■ you Del, you’ve got me doing ROG’s trick of using colours.
i bow down in shame and holy apologies for selective reading and shall not do it again what i will do is pm you Neil so you proof read my post so i don’t look so silly to got it wrong again
also to you Rog banning you head does not work as Neil can vouch for
delboytwo:
also to you Rog banning you head does not work as Neil can vouch for
On a serious note Del - you may have been viewing this the same as others who have not posted and they too are now the wiser
No question or viewpoint is a stupid one & accepting that an incorrect assumption was made in the first place shows that a person is willing to listen and learn - no matter how long it takes
