can you start 2 shifts in one 24hr period plus having a 9hr or more daily rest in between with the 2nd shift finishing before midnight
i.e
first shift
1am start
8am finish
9hr daily rest
second shift
5pm start
2359 finish
one thing that may be a prob is the 10 hour night rule if you have no opt out of the wtd you and only work 10 houras if you have no opt out in place your start time is 1 am that means once you have worked 10 hours you would have to stop breaks and poa do not count
Yes.
I assume so
Used to do a shift which was a 0600 start finish at 1300 take nine hours off, then back on the road about 2200 finish at about 0500, used to do that twice a week (taking 25hours off between trips) and have been pulled by VOSA who had no problems with my tachographs.
also would you use 1 or 2 discs
neil46:
also would you use 1 or 2 discs
One. Take it out if the truck could be moved and then fill in the registration and mileage details, on the back, in the second vehicle section on the back, and do a manual trace to show the rest period.
if you don’t go over the 10hr driving in the 24hr period i’m sure you will be ok
Not 100% sure i always used two discs.
In theory could maybe use a single disc, but then again if you got held up and it started overwritting wouldnt be good. You only have an hour to play with which isnt a lot if there is a bad accident and your held up for ages.
I never took the risk even though usually wouldnt be a problem.
Kenny1975:
Not 100% sure i always used two discs.In theory could maybe use a single disc, but then again if you got held up and it started overwritting wouldnt be good. You only have an hour to play with which isnt a lot if there is a bad accident and your held up for ages.
I never took the risk even though usually wouldnt be a problem.
If it’s overwriting then you’ld be runnng overtime. I can see why that could happen, and accept that, but at that time of the night it’s more likely to be road works rather than FTA. Take the point though.
delboytwo:
one thing that may be a prob is the 10 hour night rule if you have no opt out of the wtd you and only work 10 houras if you have no opt out in place your start time is 1 am that means once you have worked 10 hours you would have to stop breaks and poa do not count
He is only on working for 7 hrs on each shift so 10 hr rule doesnt come into it, once you have had a daily rest a new 24 hour period starts, and there is no rule to say how many charts you can use in a 24 hr period, i would use 2 charts,as you never know what will happen, so in my book your ok.
Not a work pattern i would like though.
ajdavis64:
delboytwo:
one thing that may be a prob is the 10 hour night rule if you have no opt out of the wtd you and only work 10 houras if you have no opt out in place your start time is 1 am that means once you have worked 10 hours you would have to stop breaks and poa do not countHe is only on working for 7 hrs on each shift so 10 hr rule doesnt come into it, once you have had a daily rest a new 24 hour period starts, and there is no rule to say how many charts you can use in a 24 hr period, i would use 2 charts,as you never know what will happen, so in my book your ok.
Not a work pattern i would like though.
Not by my understanding it doesn’t. It is any 24 hour period from the start of duty. I stand ready to be corrected if this is wro… wron… not right. 
Wiretwister:
ajdavis64:
delboytwo:
one thing that may be a prob is the 10 hour night rule if you have no opt out of the wtd you and only work 10 houras if you have no opt out in place your start time is 1 am that means once you have worked 10 hours you would have to stop breaks and poa do not countHe is only on working for 7 hrs on each shift so 10 hr rule doesnt come into it, once you have had a daily rest a new 24 hour period starts, and there is no rule to say how many charts you can use in a 24 hr period, i would use 2 charts,as you never know what will happen, so in my book your ok.
Not a work pattern i would like though.Not by my understanding it doesn’t. It is any 24 hour period from the start of duty. I stand ready to be corrected if this is wro… wron… not right.
He will be starting a new 24 hr period after his 9 hr break wont he? a 24 hours on tacho rules doesnt always add up to 24, like everything else it doesnt make sense.
I would be going over my hours if that wasnt the case, since i was doing over 12 hours driving in a 24 hour period.
I thought when you had your daily break that clock went back to zero, since you had taken your daily break in that 24 hour period since you started the shift evne if you take the daily break early and means its over still in that 24 hour period, so after you have taken your break go back to zero and can drive up to 9hours again.
If what you said was true would mean if you worked say 5 hours you would then need to legally take 19 hours off as a daily break.
ajdavis64:
Wiretwister:
Not by my understanding it doesn’t. It is any 24 hour period from the start of duty. I stand ready to be corrected if this is wro… wron… not right.He will be starting a new 24 hr period after his 9 hr break wont he? a 24 hours on tacho rules doesnt always add up to 24, like everything else it doesnt make sense.
Thinking on you are probably right as with 9 hours rest you can NOT do more than 15 so it would appear as though my reputation is intact. 
What a numpty.
Wiretwister:
Not by my understanding it doesn’t. It is any 24 hour period from the start of duty. I stand ready to be corrected if this is wro… wron… not right.
The answer, partly, is within your question. With ‘any 24 hour period’ (as the Legislation is written) encompasses ‘maximums’.
Once the required Daily Rest has been taken, be it either 11 hours or 9 hours, then that effectively ‘restarts’ the clock.
For illustrative purposes, let us consider the situation of an O/D who, having taken his Weekly Rest, after vehicle checks, etc, runs it into a ‘Main Dealer’ (or whatever) for servicing. An hour, tops!
9 hours later, he collects the vehicle and commences a (new) full day’s work.
The discussion had moved on whilst I was ‘composing’.
24 hrs is the maximum that a 24 hr period can last, theres no minimum on how long 24 hrs lasts 13 hr work 11 hrs off 24hrs, 15 hrs and 9 off is 24 hrs, any thing under that then a new 24 hr period starts after daily rest even if a shift lasts an hour.
Took me 5 minutes to write this so its stayin lol.
if you work for say 5 hours within your first 24hr period(4hrs driving for example) then pull your card take a 9hr break,i thought that you can only drive for 6hrs within that 1st 24hr period 
anymore than that your breaking the law
is this right
Tacho rules are stupid lol.
Q. how many days can you work legally?
Thetaff:
if you work for say 5 hours within your first 24hr period(4hrs driving for example) then pull your card take a 9hr break,i thought that you can only drive for 6hrs within that 1st 24hr periodis this right
No a new 24 hr period starts after a daily rest.
A tacho 24 hrs can be as short as 10 hrs, as Krankee pointed out.