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The injun’s have been at the moonshine again judging by these last few posts :laughing: :laughing: .

Dave the Renegade:
The injun’s have been at the moonshine again judging by these last few posts :laughing: :laughing: .

welshman speak with forked tongue it is FIREWATER or easystart for us :laughing: :laughing:
cheers Johnnie :wink:

hiya,
Johnnie Easystart for breakfast then firewater as and when required throughout the remainder of the day, and no injuns in Wales but several cowboys or so I’ve heard,
thanks harry long retired…

Twm Sion Cutty the Welsh Robin Hood drank beer,none of this firewater rubbish :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

Dave the Renegade:
Twm Sion Cutty the Welsh Robin Hood drank beer,none of this firewater rubbish :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

hiya,
Cutty Sark now then that’s not a bad everyday tipple but you need a swig of Twm Sion Cutty’s beer for a chaser, howay now Dave don’t leave me in “suspenders” who is this “Twm” guy anyway, Welsh Robin Hood indeed you dragon chasers have nicked enough from England over the years.
thanks harry long retired.

harry_gill:

Dave the Renegade:
Twm Sion Cutty the Welsh Robin Hood drank beer,none of this firewater rubbish :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

hiya,
Cutty Sark now then that’s not a bad everyday tipple but you need a swig of Twm Sion Cutty’s beer for a chaser, howay now Dave don’t leave me in “suspenders” who is this “Twm” guy anyway, Welsh Robin Hood indeed you dragon chasers have nicked enough from England over the years.
thanks harry long retired.

You asked Harry and here is the true story :wink: .
Twm Sion Cati
Born in the 16th century, Twm Sion Cati is often described as a Welsh Robin Hood. He was born in Tregaron and during his years as an outlaw, he is said to have hidden out in a cave in the moutains above the town.

Separating the man from the myth is a difficult task, as more stories survive about his youthful adventures, than factual records of elements of his real life. However, his life was documented by playwrights and biographers alike, so we do have access to a few facts. Twm Sion Cati’s real name was Thomas Jones, who was actually a Welsh bard and genealogist. He lived from 1530 to around 1620, and was born at a house called Porth y Ffynnon (Fountain Gate) in Tregaron.

Whilst the story insists that Jones was the illegitimate son of a local squire - Sir John Wynn of Gwydir, his father was actually John, son of David ap Madog ap Howel Motheu. His mother was Catherine, daughter of Meredydd ap Ieuen, which is where the ‘Cati’ part of his name came from.

In his early years, Jones developed a reputation as Twm Sion Cati, the highwayman, supposedly only robbing the rich, although there is little evidence of him regularly giving to the poor. In 1833, Samuel Lewis wrote, in his book ‘A Topographical Dictionary of Wales’ 1833 that, “he enjoyed, according to tradition, a less enviable distinction, from his practice of plundering his neighbours, being represented, as an expert and dexterous robber”.

It is known that Jones received some formal education, and was reputed as being clever and crafty; a trickster who was capable of deceiving farmers and lords alike. In most of the stories about Twm, he is perhaps best remembered for his kindness to his victims. Wishing to avoid severely hurting or killing them, he avoided maiming his enemy by placing a well shot arrow that pinned his nemesis to his saddle.

One famous story tells of Twm’s visit to an ironmonger’s in Llandovery to buy a porridge pot. The ironmonger brought out several pans and Twm on questioning the quality and costs of the pans was told that no better would be found in the kitchen of a king. Twm then held one of the pots up to the light and declared that he could see a hole in it. The ironmonger then held up the pot to examine it and Twm forced over his head and quipped that if there was not a hole in it how could such a large and stupid head have been caught inside!

Often he hid from the Sheriff of Carmarthen in the slopes of the thickly wooded and boulder strewn slopes of the Dinas Hill, close to the village of Rhandirmwyn, Carmarthenshire. The village is located in the foothills of the Cambrian Mountains, whose rough and rocky terrain made ideal bandit country.

Twm’s hideout is widely known as a cave that resides in the slopes directly above a rocky gorge through which the Tywi flows at an extremely dangerous pace. To this day the cave is still quite difficult to locate, and bears the name, ‘Twm Sion Cati’s Cave’. Dinas Hill is now an RSPB sanctuary, a way-marked footpath runs right around the hill, with a detour to Twm’s cave.

hiya,
Now that’ll teach me to keep my stupid mouth shut Dave, but of course I did know that I was just pretending to be an idiot and as usual have succeeded.
thanks harry long retired.

harry_gill:
hiya,
Now that’ll teach me to keep my stupid mouth shut Dave, but of course I did know that I was just pretending to be an idiot and as usual have succeeded.
thanks harry long retired.

There’s a lot of history in Mid Wales Harry,as in most places.The bit about Twm Sion Cutty is a bit of useless information that I remembered from way back. I got the info about him to print on here off a BBC website.Useful search tool is google :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

Hmm is that a myth, legend, or true story beefed up by the BBC Dave? also did he have a maid marion like " Robin Hood, did he rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or was he a ancient cart driver who blockaged the road for more oats for his horse and the law came down on him and kicked him out of his hovel, so he ended up in a damp cold cave. :frowning: :confused: :confused: :confused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Norman Ingram:
Hmm is that a myth, legend, or true story beefed up by the BBC Dave? also did he have a maid marion like " Robin Hood, did he rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or was he a ancient cart driver who blockaged the road for more oats for his horse and the law came down on him and kicked him out of his hovel, so he ended up in a damp cold cave. :frowning: :confused: :confused: :confused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

He had a wife Norm. Twm woos and eventually marries the Lady of Ystrad-ffin and subsequently becomes a magistrate and mayor of Brecon.
I am making enqiries about the horse.I think he got one off Bewick :wink: :laughing: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

Dave is Dennis that old then/ :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Dave the Renegade:

Norman Ingram:
Hmm is that a myth, legend, or true story beefed up by the BBC Dave? also did he have a maid marion like " Robin Hood, did he rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or was he a ancient cart driver who blockaged the road for more oats for his horse and the law came down on him and kicked him out of his hovel, so he ended up in a damp cold cave. :frowning: :confused: :confused: :confused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

He had a wife Norm. Twm woos and eventually marries the Lady of Ystrad-ffin and subsequently becomes a magistrate and mayor of Brecon.
I am making enqiries about the horse.I think he got one off Bewick :wink: :laughing: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

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Norman Ingram:
Dave is Dennis that old then/ :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Dave the Renegade:

Norman Ingram:
Hmm is that a myth, legend, or true story beefed up by the BBC Dave? also did he have a maid marion like " Robin Hood, did he rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or was he a ancient cart driver who blockaged the road for more oats for his horse and the law came down on him and kicked him out of his hovel, so he ended up in a damp cold cave. :frowning: :confused: :confused: :confused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

He had a wife Norm. Twm woos and eventually marries the Lady of Ystrad-ffin and subsequently becomes a magistrate and mayor of Brecon.
I am making enqiries about the horse.I think he got one off Bewick :wink: :laughing: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

He is getting on Norm,also he says he came down to South Wales a lot as a trailer boy.Perhaps he got in tow with Twm then :laughing:
Cheers Dave.

hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

I haven’t a clue any of the time Harry,but I just have a look on Wikipedia.Its amazing what you can find out about people on Trucknet on there.Who would have thought about Dennis having links with Twm Sion Cutty.Its a small world :wink: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

Well Harry you must know what you are talking about 50 percent of your time, some people don’t know what they are talking about all of their lives. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: please someone help me out, is Harry half sharp, half wit, or half briilliant. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Just think Dave if Dennis was ed instead, and he wrote his surname first :- Be wick ed. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Dave the Renegade:

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

I haven’t a clue any of the time Harry,but I just have a look on Wikipedia.Its amazing what you can find out about people on Trucknet on there.Who would have thought about Dennis having links with Twm Sion Cutty.Its a small world :wink: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

Norman Ingram:
Just think Dave if Dennis was ed instead, and he wrote his surname first :- Be wick ed. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Dave the Renegade:

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

I haven’t a clue any of the time Harry,but I just have a look on Wikipedia.Its amazing what you can find out about people on Trucknet on there.Who would have thought about Dennis having links with Twm Sion Cutty.Its a small world :wink: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

I think we may get to find out Norm,if he reads this thread :wink: .
Cheers Dave.

Dave the Renegade:

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

I haven’t a clue any of the time Harry,but I just have a look on Wikipedia.Its amazing what you can find out about people on Trucknet on there.Who would have thought about Dennis having links with Twm Sion Cutty.Its a small world :wink: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

hiya,
Tell you what Dave, if Twm had any brass Denis would have been sure to have in league with him money folk always stick together, I know from experience I’m skint.
thanks harry long retired.

harry_gill:

Dave the Renegade:

harry_gill:
hiya,
Clever Dickies!!! I wish I hadn’t asked, remember the old saying ask a silly question, I didn’t in fact, I haven’t a clue what I’m talking about half the time
thanks harry long retired

I haven’t a clue any of the time Harry,but I just have a look on Wikipedia.Its amazing what you can find out about people on Trucknet on there.Who would have thought about Dennis having links with Twm Sion Cutty.Its a small world :wink: :laughing: .
Cheers Dave.

hiya,
Tell you what Dave, if Twm had any brass Denis would have been sure to have in league with him money folk always stick together, I know from experience I’m skint.
thanks harry long retired.

Funny you should mention that Harry.He has said several times that he wouldn’t take his horses down to Tregaron to race.Perhaps there’s still wanted posters around.He has got red hair,and so did Twm :wink: .Say no more.
Cheers Dave.

Lads I think I am getting old and clumsey, I had a pain in my back and still went out and played snooker on sunday morning, made two 20 plus breaks, won 5-0. Then on my way home I got out the car at Ladbroke’s and tripped on the kerb, pitched face forward, but was able to put my left hand out and take the force, only bruising my bottom thumb muscle, two people asked me if I was ok as I slowly regained my dignity, yes I replied only tripped. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: