Old 2 series - top speed?

[th2013]

For the older members - there will soon be a restored Scanny 82m fire engine on the road again. I’ll post pictures once we get the MOT pass. But I’m having an argument with my friend about it’s top road speed.
It’s a 5 speed box and with the prop shaft off in top gear the speedo reads 70kph with the revs going into the red. Therefore my logic says it will do about 45 mph on the level with a decent wind behind it. But I haven’t been able to seriously open it up on the open road, that is, IF there is anything to open up!

Does anyone remember how fast these beasts go? I could well believe that the fire engine version had higher gearing for town work. I’m just trying to talk fellow enthusiast out of Carlisle > Switzerland for it’s first road trip I was thinking a day trip to Gretna

Cheers for any memories.

[stagedriver]

Driven a 93M 210 appliance many a time, would sit comfortably at 60.

J162GUS was the reg if it helps compare. Built in '93 as a WTL

[th2013]

Thanks, maybe there is hope. Our 82M is an F reg built in 1988. Of course the speedo could be wildly out… as a fire appliance it never needed calibrating.
Do you remember if the 93M still had a 5 speed box?

Anyway rubber will hit road in a couple of weeks and we’ll find out!

[mucker85]

Have you got a 2 speed axle?

[conor]

Guy I used to work for had a Scania 82H. That had no problem doing 60MPH.

But it all depends on what the diff ratio is. If it was a fire engine specced for urban/airport it would have a lower diff ratio which would give a lower top speed but faster acceleration which you want in an urban environment.

You may need to change the diff for higher gearing if you want more speed out of it and I think that it would be something I would consider. The amount of fuel you would save would pay for the diff in very little time.

[th2013]

mucker85:
Have you got a 2 speed axle?

No, and I won’t deny I was hoping to find one!

[th2013]

Conor:
Guy I used to work for had a Scania 82H. That had no problem doing 60MPH.

But it all depends on what the diff ratio is. If it was a fire engine specced for urban/airport it would have a lower diff ratio which would give a lower top speed but faster acceleration which you want in an urban environment.

You may need to change the diff for higher gearing if you want more speed out of it and I think that it would be something I would consider. The amount of fuel you would save would pay for the diff in very little time.

Thanks. This is exactly what I was thinking too. Whether there are any available parts for something this old is an ongoing challenge, so we’ll see what is out there!

[3300john]

Hiya my AEC only did 40mph, i had to put two diffs in her, i don’t know how fast she is now,
maybe 65-70mph but i’am happy at 50-55mph and getting 12mpg so not to bad. did scania
do a two speed diff■■? i had a h reg 92, 4 wheeler that did 60mph easly and was good on fuel.
John

[stagedriver]

It was a 5 speed. I can remember having to rock the cab and try starting the engine quite a lot!

What brigade did it come from?

Oh and can I have a shot!!

[jonmea]

depends on the diff. i had a 1983 y reg scania 82 with the 5 speed that would easily do 70 and had a 1987 e reg scania 92 with the 10 speed that would only do 58!

[th2013]

stagedriver:
It was a 5 speed. I can remember having to rock the cab and try starting the engine quite a lot!

What brigade did it come from?

Oh and can I have a shot!!

I’m not aware of the full history, but would like to find out. We purchased it from someone who had it sitting around for years off road as a partially finished camper. It’s been a major labour of love to make it ‘generally work’ again. It starts every time now, there are now no air leaks, the broken electric lubrication pump system is now replaced with manual grease ■■■■■■■ everywhere (as we couldn’t find parts), we welded a complete new roof on the cab as it was so rusty you could poke holes in it, the bodywork underneath is now all cleaned, painted with red oxide, then painted black. It’s starting to look the biz! The camper conversion is now looking pretty good too. The main tasks remaining are refitting the repaired prop shaft, having the argument with Swansea about reclassifying as body type motor caravan and getting the MOT which is looking more likely every day that goes by.

We need to take some photo’s for the V5C change, so I’ll post them when we have them.

[th2013]

Bit of quick research. First registered in Glasgow. I THINK it was Strathclyde Fire Brigade who formerly owned it but that is a guess.
Ours is F190 FHS. I have a picture here of F182 FHS which is pretty close and also a Glasgow reg.

fire-engine-photos.com/pictu … r32027.asp

[damoq]

Probably was a Strathclyde one. Not many other forces use Scanias.

[snifferdog]

Ask the question on this forum, http://www.retainedfirefighter.com plenty of lads from the Strathclyde Brigade on there.

[erfguy]

Here’s a pair of 1/24th scale. Scratchbuilt model fire engines that I built a couple o years ago hope you lad’s that are into fire engines like them. Eddie.

[bin_wagon]

Ahhh, my pride and Joy ERF Guy! ESMY till takes pride of place on the shelf!

I’m completely new to this group, but was egged on following being shown this thread.

I’ve both driven and sat in the screaming seat on various makes / models of appliance ( they’re not “fire engines”!) including Scanias of which we had:

G93M-210s, G93M-280, P93-220s, P94M-220s and later P270/P280s.

They can all do a fair turn of speed and after Bedfords & Dodges they were a dream. The 210s would happily do 70/75 on the 5 speed box on the motorways. The P93M-220s were flying machines and had the exhauster on the brake pedal - brilliant idea. The P series were our first autos and anywhere else they had 250/260 motors in them, but for some reason we had 220s. They were a bit slower compared to the previous 220s in the right hands, but it didn’t make a lot of difference - they could still horse on. The P270/280 are in a class of their own.

Now - your truck F190FHS, was new to Greenock and ran as the second beside the other one mentioned on this thread i.e. F182FHS.

There were ten in this batch, the only batch by Angloco of Bately Strathclyde ever bought. Prior to H reg they were all by Fulton and Wylie in Irving, The H batch was split, anything with 2 digits was F&W, anything with 3 was by Emergency One (UK) at ■■■■■■■ (late in the 4 series they changed to JDC down south). The Fs were:

F181 - Dumbarton
F182 - Greenock
F183 - Lanark
F184 - Cambuslang
F185 - Cambuslang
F186 - Coatbridge
F187 - Parkhead
F188 - Kirkintilloch
F189 - Coatbridge
F190 - Greenock

By the way, someone mentioned few “forces” (Brigades) ran Scanias…wrong! In Scotland 92/93s ran with Strathclyde, L&B, D&G, Tayside and Grampian. 4 series were used by these brigades and also Highland & Islands. The only NON Scania brigades in Scotland prior to Nationalisation on 1st April remained Toytoon, sorry Central, and Fife who ran with Volvos. Scania have a huge chunk of the UK Fire & Rescue market, probably the largest since the demise of Dennis adding to their customer base.

F190 chappie - if you need photos of your motor in service - I’ve a few!

[bin_wagon]

Whoops - late in the 4 series they changes to Saxon Sanbec and upon their demise moved to JDC (John Dennis Coachbuilders - relative of the original Dennis Bros, but not the same firm)

[damoq]

Ok smartie pants. I maybe have meant that its only Strathclyde I can recall that run 100% Scanias and have done for as long as I can remember. Although I get this feeling you are about to prove me wrong! I know they have a MAN heavy rescue unit (based at Renfrew i think) sone Atego mobile command units dotted around and one Axor artic based at Dregorn which is their major incident unit I think.

Welcome by the way.

[th2013]

Bin Wagon:
F190 chappie - if you need photos of your motor in service - I’ve a few!

PM sent. Thanks a lot!

[bin_wagon]

damoq:
Ok smartie pants. I maybe have meant that its only Strathclyde I can recall that run 100% Scanias and have done for as long as I can remember. Although I get this feeling you are about to prove me wrong! I know they have a MAN heavy rescue unit (based at Renfrew i think) sone Atego mobile command units dotted around and one Axor artic based at Dregorn which is their major incident unit I think.

Welcome by the way.

Thanks for the welcome, no - not a “Smarty pants”, but SFB/SFR have never been 100% Scania! Apart from the hotch potch they inherited from (All Of) Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Western Area & parts of the old South Western and Central Areas in 1975, their own procurements included Dodge K850, K1113, K1613 and a handful of G13s. Bedfords by the skip load (including the very ugly “Flying Bricks” or Fire Warriors as they were branded). There have been Volvos (FL617 and 618 - odd choice for pumps usually 614s), some wee MAN pumps, lots of wee Merc pumps, Transits, Sprinters, - SFR is bigger than Greater Glasgow and they’ve got / had some real oddities out in the sticks for the vollies and SMURFs.

The MAN prime mover you mention is not SFRs! It’s one of dozens allocated to UK brigades by the Government for “New Dimensions” - great idea - lots new trucks and kit, then get rid of all the firemen! The MAN’s carry USAR pods, Hose Layer/retrieval pods and High Volume pumps - elsewhere there are Mass Decontamination Units & MDU2 (support for the MDU) on pods. Other New Dimensions motors (in Scotland we have our own wagons - down south, Wales and NI have MAN / Marshall curtain siders with Moffat Mounties) carry crates of palletised rescue / USAR / Decontamination / Heavy Rescue etc kit.

The Merc Major Incident Command unit is a one of (thankfully), and the Atego Command Unit wasn’t theirs (D+G’s) - it’s serviced there now under the new Scottish Service, SFR have a handful of Ategos which are basically display units. But they do have three very ugly “local” command units on Vauxhall Movano 3 axle chassis (hopeless unless wind is behind them and downhill).

Re the 100% thing - it’s policy not to have complete fleets of the same make - just in case! There have been a few caught out over the years, particularly with the demise of dear old Bedford…mind you Volvo swooped in and took the gauntlet of the underpowered el cheapo reek makers! Always easy to spot - they’re the ones with the magnets behind them to pick up the bits that fall off.