Interesting job. Not a trainer but a qualified teacher.
LGV on the national curriculum now?
totaljobs.com/job/lgv-drive … b20_210719
Weird. ‘Level 4/5 in the subject’? That’s diploma/degree level I believe. How the hell do you get a degree in lorry driving??
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Ziltoid:
Weird. ‘Level 4/5 in the subject’? That’s diploma/degree level I believe. How the hell do you get a degree in lorry driving??
Surely it says the tutor must have a degree in some area of knowledge (in addition to proven teaching competence), not that the drivers must.
And nowadays the degree-qualified are ten a penny anyway
I could not open the link but I would imagine they are looking for someone with proper teaching qualifications. A little over the top for teaching lorry drivers however saying that there are far to many so called instructors that don’t have a scoobie how to train a driver.
RTITB used to be a decent qualification but fairly expensive but not sure if they are still about. Unfortunately a decent driver does not make a decent trainer without proper training and the correct attitude.
Rjan:
Ziltoid:
Weird. ‘Level 4/5 in the subject’? That’s diploma/degree level I believe. How the hell do you get a degree in lorry driving??Surely it says the tutor must have a degree in some area of knowledge (in addition to proven teaching competence), not that the drivers must.
And nowadays the degree-qualified are ten a penny anyway
Yes, I was referring to it stating that as a requirement for the tutor:
“In order to do this you will need… subject-specialist qualification at Level 4 (Level 5 - new standards) with a commitment to obtain the relevant outstanding Level 4 (Level 5 - new standards) qualification within a specified time scale.”
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Ziltoid:
Weird. ‘Level 4/5 in the subject’? That’s diploma/degree level I believe. How the hell do you get a degree in lorry driving??Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
Ask Carryfast, he has one.
toonsy:
Ziltoid:
Weird. ‘Level 4/5 in the subject’? That’s diploma/degree level I believe. How the hell do you get a degree in lorry driving??Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
Ask Carryfast, he has one.
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That’s a new keyboard you owe me - the old one’s full of ■■■■■■■ coffee now!
jakethesnake:
I could not open the link but I would imagine they are looking for someone with proper teaching qualifications. A little over the top for teaching lorry drivers however saying that there are far to many so called instructors that don’t have a scoobie how to train a driver.
RTITB used to be a decent qualification but fairly expensive but not sure if they are still about. Unfortunately a decent driver does not make a decent trainer without proper training and the correct attitude.
Sorry, some of this statement is absolute nonsense, there are plenty of drivers on here and out in the real world … who wouldn’t have a clue how to do a degree, but know the in and out of a truck … exactly how to driver and pass on all knowledge to a new driver … decent drivers so make decent trainers … you see plenty of comments on here how a trainer doesn’t make a decent driver ie DCPC trainers etc … I am sure Robroy your best pal on here could teach a new driver how to pass a test in 5 days… it’s hardly difficult to learn a truck if the learners want to learn.
discoman:
jakethesnake:
I could not open the link but I would imagine they are looking for someone with proper teaching qualifications. A little over the top for teaching lorry drivers however saying that there are far to many so called instructors that don’t have a scoobie how to train a driver.
RTITB used to be a decent qualification but fairly expensive but not sure if they are still about. Unfortunately a decent driver does not make a decent trainer without proper training and the correct attitude.Sorry, some of this statement is absolute nonsense, there are plenty of drivers on here and out in the real world … who wouldn’t have a clue how to do a degree, but know the in and out of a truck … exactly how to driver and pass on all knowledge to a new driver … decent drivers so make decent trainers … you see plenty of comments on here how a trainer doesn’t make a decent driver ie DCPC trainers etc … I am sure Robroy your best pal on here could teach a new driver how to pass a test in 5 days… it’s hardly difficult to learn a truck if the learners want to learn.
From vast experience you are talking nonsense. Of course there are some that may manage but not your average Joe with years of bad habits. robroy has already admitted to not having patience which is an important quality for a decent instructor.
Of course there are also some that will get someone through a test mainly because that is a lot to do with luck and the test being relatively easy to pass.
There was a survey done many years ago with students being trained by an ordinary driver with no teaching experience and also with experienced trainers.
I will let you guess which they preferred and who got information over the best.
I never said anything about degrees apart from it being OTT for a lorry trainer.
jakethesnake:
discoman:
jakethesnake:
I could not open the link but I would imagine they are looking for someone with proper teaching qualifications. A little over the top for teaching lorry drivers however saying that there are far to many so called instructors that don’t have a scoobie how to train a driver.
RTITB used to be a decent qualification but fairly expensive but not sure if they are still about. Unfortunately a decent driver does not make a decent trainer without proper training and the correct attitude.Sorry, some of this statement is absolute nonsense, there are plenty of drivers on here and out in the real world … who wouldn’t have a clue how to do a degree, but know the in and out of a truck … exactly how to driver and pass on all knowledge to a new driver … decent drivers so make decent trainers … you see plenty of comments on here how a trainer doesn’t make a decent driver ie DCPC trainers etc … I am sure Robroy your best pal on here could teach a new driver how to pass a test in 5 days… it’s hardly difficult to learn a truck if the learners want to learn.
From vast experience you are talking nonsense. Of course there are some that may manage but not your average Joe with years of bad habits. robroy has already admitted to not having patience which is an important quality for a decent instructor.
Of course there are also some that will get someone through a test mainly because that is a lot to do with luck and the test being relatively easy to pass.There was a survey done many years ago with students being trained by an ordinary driver with no teaching experience and also with experienced trainers.
I will let you guess which they preferred and who got information over the best.I never said anything about degrees apart from it being OTT for a lorry trainer.
I assure you it is easy to train a person to drive a truck … I have a class 1 and no qualifications as a driving instructor, but I can assure you, I could get people through the test no problems … it’s a simple test as you claim … Robroy was an example … look, driving is a simple job and no skills needed to turn a wheel … I have driven them and they are easy to drive … like every occupation with experience it becomes easy … surveys are just like opinion polls, only accurate and reflect what the surveyors want… yes, Average Joe’s do train well, I was taught by an “average joe” for all my licence’s and passed them first time, ie car, taught by my father a truck driver, my PCV an ex truck driver…, my truck licences guess what non qualified truck drivers.
Wow ! I can get involved in arguments on here now without even contributing 
Just for the record (and cheers Jake for commenting on my lack of patience 
) I once put in for an instructors job many years ago.
I got through and passed the first 2 interviews including taking a mock driving test and half an hours mock training (despite my bad habits Jake) and got down to the last 3 …there was more than 3 candidates btw.
Don’t think I would do it nowadays though, maybe Jakey’s right about my lack of patience now. 
But yeh, I could get somebody with a brain through ok…if paid handsomely.
Maybe Jake should have a go, he tells us he has quote; ‘‘Vast experience’’ 
…why can I hear a solo trumpet?
Imo nothing has changed, with training, it’s always been a case of being taught how to get around a test route and pass, as opposed to being taught how to actually drive, it certainly was when I passed my test anyway.
robroy:
Wow ! I can get involved in arguments on here now without even contributingJust for the record (and cheers Jake for commenting on my lack of patience
I got through and passed the first 2 interviews including taking a mock driving test and half an hours mock training (despite my bad habits Jake) and got down to the last 3 …there was more than 3 candidates btw.
Don’t think I would do it nowadays though, maybe Jakey’s right about my lack of patience now.
But yeh, I could get somebody with a brain through ok…if paid handsomely.
Maybe Jake should have a go, he tells us he has quote; ‘‘Vast experience’’Imo nothing has changed, with training, it’s always been a case of being taught how to get around a test route and pass, as opposed to being taught how to actually drive, it certainly was when I passed my test anyway.
Hmmm yeah I agree with you to a certain extent but there are two things you are certainly wrong about. Having been involved with training (have you?) I can tell you having somebody with a brain does not always come easy. Granted it is usually an easier job than someone without one but I have taught many professional people (with high intelligence) and sometimes they really struggle lacking natural ablity in my opinion and over thinking things.
Secondly if you had been involved with training you would know that training has changed in many ways since you and I were taught. As an example with government training and a lot of civilian companies (decent ones) the training changed from teaching someone to drive where as now they teach them to pass a test. This also happened with car tests. I could go on an on but I feel I would probably be wasting my time as some of those never involved with training seem to know better.
jakethesnake:
robroy:
Wow ! I can get involved in arguments on here now without even contributingJust for the record (and cheers Jake for commenting on my lack of patience
I got through and passed the first 2 interviews including taking a mock driving test and half an hours mock training (despite my bad habits Jake) and got down to the last 3 …there was more than 3 candidates btw.
Don’t think I would do it nowadays though, maybe Jakey’s right about my lack of patience now.
But yeh, I could get somebody with a brain through ok…if paid handsomely.
Maybe Jake should have a go, he tells us he has quote; ‘‘Vast experience’’Imo nothing has changed, with training, it’s always been a case of being taught how to get around a test route and pass, as opposed to being taught how to actually drive, it certainly was when I passed my test anyway.
Hmmm yeah I agree with you to a certain extent but there are two things you are certainly wrong about. Having been involved with training (have you?) I can tell you having somebody with a brain does not always come easy. Granted it is usually an easier job than someone without one but I have taught many professional people (with high intelligence) and sometimes they really struggle lacking natural ablity in my opinion and over thinking things.
Secondly if you had been involved with training you would know that training has changed in many ways since you and I were taught. As an example with government training and a lot of civilian companies (decent ones) the training changed from teaching someone to drive where as now they teach them to pass a test. This also happened with car tests. I could go on an on but I feel I would probably be wasting my time as some of those never involved with training seem to know better.
Hang on that’s exactly what I said …teaching how to pass a test on a designated test route.
Just as it was when I was learning.
So basically nowt has changed.
No I’ve never been involved in training, well not in any official capacity anyway.
Btw…When I said I could get through a test ‘someone with a brain’ I meant somebody that was of at least average intelligence, as opposed to some ■■■■ thicko.
I did not mean trying to teach a University Professor how to handle an artic.
Btw no2, Don’t worry yourself about you wasting my time…I’m used to you doing that to me on here.
Oh Christ I haven’t to make jokes to you, have I?
I forgot. 
Hang on that’s exactly what I said …teaching how to pass a test on a designated test route.
Just as it was when I was learning.
So basically nowt has changed.
Dear me, you are a hard man to deal with sometimes. 
Let me give you a few little pointers. When we were taught a flat trailer could be used and anyone using a box was daft in the head. A few years ago they changed from a straight box to having to use a range change or splitter. Now they can use autos.
I dont know what company trained you (there were far more cowboys than now) but any reputable company with proper intructors would not just take you round a test route.
Infact I only went round it once the day before my test. They took us a variety of roads with different situations (Made it really hard) and they did not just show you how to do the reversing exercise for the test. They again spent time giving you the hardest of reverses so when it came to the simple reverse exercise it was easy.
It has all changed now because they don’t have the time to teach drivers correctly because costs have been cut like everything else. Money comes before quality as we both see on the roads and agree on?
But apart from that and a few other things, nothing has changed.
jakethesnake:
Dear me, you are a hard man to deal with sometimes.Let me give you a few little pointers. When we were taught a flat trailer could be used and anyone using a box was daft in the head. A few years ago they changed from a straight box to having to use a range change or splitter. Now they can use autos.
I dont know what company trained you (there were far more cowboys than now) but any reputable company with proper intructors would not just take you round a test route.
Infact I only went round it once the day before my test. They took us a variety of roads with different situations (Made it really hard) and they did not just show you how to do the reversing exercise for the test. They again spent time giving you the hardest of reverses so when it came to the simple reverse exercise it was easy.It has all changed now because they don’t have the time to teach drivers correctly because costs have been cut like everything else. Money comes before quality as we both see on the roads and agree on?
But apart from that and a few other things, nothing has changed.
Of course we used old style manual boxes in those days, that was virtually all there was.
I took mine in an old Dodge, it had so much wear on the gear linkage it was like a stick in a bucket, you didn’t so much select a gear you just felt good about yourself if you actually found one, and the splitter operating sounded like the engine had hit the road with the thud and vibration.
But that is not what we were on about in terms of driving courses changing, was it, neither was it trailer type, it was methods.
You can only speak from your own experiences, my experience was driving round and learning a test route for 8 days…and with the RTITB…despite what you said about them.
It must have worked as the test route I learned on was in Carlisle, and after a ■■■■ up I ended up taking mine in Dumfries,…and yes, I passed it first time 
, …despite being the world’s worst at reversing.
robroy:
jakethesnake:
Dear me, you are a hard man to deal with sometimes.Let me give you a few little pointers. When we were taught a flat trailer could be used and anyone using a box was daft in the head. A few years ago they changed from a straight box to having to use a range change or splitter. Now they can use autos.
I dont know what company trained you (there were far more cowboys than now) but any reputable company with proper intructors would not just take you round a test route.
Infact I only went round it once the day before my test. They took us a variety of roads with different situations (Made it really hard) and they did not just show you how to do the reversing exercise for the test. They again spent time giving you the hardest of reverses so when it came to the simple reverse exercise it was easy.It has all changed now because they don’t have the time to teach drivers correctly because costs have been cut like everything else. Money comes before quality as we both see on the roads and agree on?
But apart from that and a few other things, nothing has changed.
Of course we used old style manual boxes in those days, that was virtually all there was.
I took mine in an old Dodge, it had so much wear on the gear linkage it was like a stick in a bucket, you didn’t so much select a gear you just felt good about yourself if you actually found one, and the splitter operating sounded like the engine had hit the road with the thud and vibration.
But that is not what we were on about in terms of driving courses changing, was it, neither was it trailer type, it was methods.
You can only speak from your own experiences, my experience was driving round and learning a test route for 8 days…and with the RTITB…despite what you said about them.
It must have worked as the test route I learned on was in Carlisle, and after a [zb] up I ended up taking mine in Dumfries,…and yes, I passed it first time
Yes I took mine in a Leyland Cheiftan although I think I have a few years on you! Methods of training have changed over the years as well despite what you say. Everything changes and certainly not always for the better.
I was not aware I had said anything bad about the RTITB, I can only praise them for their excellent training which I did to become an LGV instructor. I was not aware they actually trained individuals to pass a test as well but you learn something new everyday. There main building was in the Birmingham area at the time.
BTW we are off on one of our trips again shortly so may not be around so much. I won’t tell you where we are going though as you probably won’t believe me or I’ll end up with another of your jokes.
I mentioned the RTITB training I had, and their methods because you said it was a decent training, so I pointed out my experience with them.
A local haulier I knew had some connection with it at the time, and I got a discount booking the course through him. It was 1979.
Enjoy your trip off btw
If it’s Iceland again…bring me a curry back.
I assure you it is easy to train a person to drive a truck … I have a class 1 and no qualifications as a driving instructor, but I can assure you, I could get people through the test no problems … it’s a simple test as you claim … Robroy was an example … look, driving is a simple job and no skills needed to turn a wheel … I have driven them and they are easy to drive … like every occupation with experience it becomes easy … surveys are just like opinion polls, only accurate and reflect what the surveyors want… yes, Average Joe’s do train well, I was taught by an “average joe” for all my licence’s and passed them first time, ie car, taught by my father a truck driver, my PCV an ex truck driver…, my truck licences guess what non qualified truck drivers.
Sorry but I can’t agree with you.It’s easy to train someone to pass a test as you say but to what standard? I know plenty drivers that have trained other drivers and like you with no qualifications to train. Yes they sometimes get the driver through their test but they are only teaching what they know, the way they drive and what they think is correct but some of the time they are not training to a decent standard. Most drivers think they are really good but in reality most are full of bad habits(which may not be dangerous) however over time all drivers develop bad habits and become complacent about certain situations. And NO a decent driver does not necessarily make a good trainer. You have to know how to get things over and when. You need be calm and patient at all times.
I almost guarantee if you went for an assessment as an instructor you would not pass in more ways than one. Don’t mention DCPC Instructors because there training is well below standard as seen by some trying to teach it.
Don’t get me wrong you are probably a very good driver (just like robroy) but without training to instruct I doubt you are passing on the correct info. How’s your HC by the way? Do you know it inside out or about the same as average joe?
PS just noticed you said “I could get people through their test” So have you ever or is it all in the mind?
Jesus Jake, please learn how to use the quote function will ya?
jakethesnake:
I assure you it is easy to train a person to drive a truck … I have a class 1 and no qualifications as a driving instructor, but I can assure you, I could get people through the test no problems … it’s a simple test as you claim … Robroy was an example … look, driving is a simple job and no skills needed to turn a wheel … I have driven them and they are easy to drive … like every occupation with experience it becomes easy … surveys are just like opinion polls, only accurate and reflect what the surveyors want… yes, Average Joe’s do train well, I was taught by an “average joe” for all my licence’s and passed them first time, ie car, taught by my father a truck driver, my PCV an ex truck driver…, my truck licences guess what non qualified truck drivers.Sorry but I can’t agree with you.It’s easy to train someone to pass a test as you say but to what standard? I know plenty drivers that have trained other drivers and like you with no qualifications to train. Yes they sometimes get the driver through their test but they are only teaching what they know, the way they drive and what they think is correct but some of the time they are not training to a decent standard. Most drivers think they are really good but in reality most are full of bad habits(which may not be dangerous) however over time all drivers develop bad habits and become complacent about certain situations. And NO a decent driver does not necessarily make a good trainer. You have to know how to get things over and when. You need be calm and patient at all times.
I almost guarantee if you went for an assessment as an instructor you would not pass in more ways than one. Don’t mention DCPC Instructors because there training is well below standard as seen by some trying to teach it. I am not a driving instructor, I merely stated, I could get a person through a test … it is not brain surgery …Don’t get me wrong you are probably a very good driver (just like robroy) but without training to instruct I doubt you are passing on the correct info. How’s your HC by the way? Do you know it inside out or about the same as average joe?
PS just noticed you said “I could get people through their test” So have you ever or is it all in the mind?
Ah, so, a good teacher can prevent a driver hitting a bridge huh … qualifications are not needed to teach… the guy whom taught me took me over near all possible test routes at Enfield when I passed in 2005 … and we had to do the gear change exercise … I have my HC here in NSW… and it was literally turn up at 10 am at Mittagong await the arrival of A RMS examiner ( never turned up btw) … drover around Mittagong Hill top and Bowral then tharnwas it paperworked signed and I had an HC licence … and that gave me some nonsense qualification as a truck driver here in NSW… I can’t recall the number but I have it somewhere … I was asked to reverse in straight line no couple uncouple etc … no reverse into a box … I assure you the standard of training in the UK is good … you don’t even need a medical for a Heavy Combination licence here in Australia … let along a DCPC, they still use log books and that is only if you are more than 100km as the crow flies from base… I will up load a pic of it when I can find the old A4 size log book. …