Just been watching ITV news where they were talking about the tax dodgers sorry, students who were rioting in London again and how the are crying that the police are being to heavy handed with their tactics due to the fact that one of the little loves is in hospital after receiving a thump on the head from Officer Dibble. Didn’t say much when one of the little ■■■■■ launched the 20kg fire extinguisher from the rooftop, missing people by inches…if it had hit the target, would that person be in the same hospital with a bruise on the brain or 6 feet under? Nothing was mentioned when they were trashing the shops and probably filling their pockets. Look at it like this…lets say i’m one of the coppers and one of these students is waving a chuffing big metal bar at me and my colleagues…‘‘you’ll never take me down copper’’…wanna ■■■■ 'ing bet
These people are our future 
I have no problem with the right to demonstrate but every one proven to be causing damage or encouraging violence should be removed from the education system, they do not deserve to be there.
The problem with any of these demonstrations is it attracts a certain element who want to start a fight and create unrest for there own personal agenda. It also has been a problem with football supporters, an element of the crowd able to instigate a riot.
But don’t ever let that be used as an excuse to stop demostrations, even though I’m sure many in power would like to find an excuse.
That wee ■■■■■■■■■ that was swinging about on the British flag on the war memorial, how much would you pay for a slap? Most of those students live out of mummy and daddys pockets. Benefits being cut, simple get a part time job. Just means you need to work a little harder. Whats the problem with that…oh i forgot it will eat into their jermey kyle time 
I dont mind the right to protest but i cannae stand students at the best of times never mind right now 
the idiot on the war memorial was the son of dave gilmour from pink floyd so not short of money for his tuition fees
why didn’t the royal protection officers open fire? they could have said they were protecting the heir to the throne from attack and they thought the rioters had been infiltrated by terrorists 
The goverment has provoked this reaction, I dont in any way condone violance .I wished they had done it in a pasive way like Ghande did ,they played right into the snowt in the trough MPs laps.Putting up the fees by that amount is a disgrace when those MPs and their kids will have got it for nowt those MPs are the lowest of the low the IM alright jack brigade.
Here’s my little six pences worth. Only a handful of the protesters caused violence and that’s all they were there for. Also I think the tuition fees are now too high.
Look at it this way…some courses which are 6 years long mean students will have about 60k of debt (factoring interest) when they leave uni. Now its all well and good saying they don’t have to pay it back until they earn a certain amount of money and so on so forth…but how many of you can pay 60k on a 21k job? Some of you may say I have a mortgage…but how long is that taking you to pay off? Because of how high the fees are, students will spend so much time paying off their debt, that they wont ever be able to get a mortgage. People still think that good degrees mean good money, but that’s not the case any more so its a major problem.
Also…its not as easy any more for students to get part time jobs. Because of the recession, most part time jobs are taken by adults who have nothing else to do and have all of their spare hours. My gf, who does a part time college course, can’t find a part time job anywhere…■■■■, she cant even get a job with Sainsbury’s or Asda because they’d rather take on someone who’s been previously made redundant as they’re more flexible and more needy.
Another little bit of food for thought for all of you…these tuition fees potentially affect every single person on this forum…the students are just the only people who bothered to protest about it! But if any of you wanted to go and study at uni to try and change career…oh look, 9k a year for you as well please!
These Students are our future MP’s, doctors, scienentists etc.
Why should we pay for them, if you want your HGV license and DCPC than you have to pay that yourself, and there are not systems for grants (maintenance grants don’t have to be paid back), cheap loans which you only have to pay back, if you earn more than 21.000,- yourself with no interest charged until you make 41.000 and than at 3% APR??
I think it’s a fair system you don’t have to go to University, you go there to improve yourself to be a bigger earner, why should we pay for it?
About the violence, while it was maybe a small group, the rest didn’t condemm it, this foreign girl (who was subsidised here) though that this was normal because the Governement was aggresive to her by increasing the fees. 
As said if you don’t like that you have to pay more, stay away from the University, and clean the roads, peel potatoes and shut the ■■■■ up!
De moneybox is empty, the door to paradise is shut, let go on with life and get it sorted.
I agree it is a small percentage that are chucking fire extinguishers off buildings and paint at the next in line to the top job. To me chucking emulsion at Camilla horseface is tantamount to burning flags.
A friend of mine who works behind the local bar is studying to be a lawyer, not a hot shot criminal lawyer but a corporate, company lawyer. She said the students are protesting about the tuition fees and that they should be paid by tax payers.
Err, they will be taxpayers when they graduate she said, at the moment many “students” are studious in alcohol, ■■■ and geography.
We need doctors, we need lawyers, we need engineers and architects, do we really need someone with a diploma in football or modern art when it involves planting an undressed Christmas tree in the Tate Modern?
Anyone who is protesting with a covered face should be arrested under the prevention of terrorism laws, the rest of the trouble causers should be segregated with rubber bullets!
Nobody wants to stop peaceful protest, even if it is noisy!
You have paid for them for years,the ones that got it for nowt have set them selves up now with their homes and second homes in the case of MPs,pension and all that goes with a good education.If one of the greedy sow and sows were to say (we have done ok with our free education,we have our own homes set up for life and we got our kids thruogh uni for nowt allso I think I will stick £ 3oooo into kitty as a thank you to all those that paid tax to fund my and my kids life style.
the biggest problem with this is that all its going to do is force the average joe kid/family out of taking a uni degree simply because they wont be able to afford the higher tuition fees,its been put into place so that only rich families kids can go to university and not the poorer families,these kids were leaving uni with degree’s but were unable to get jobs because there is nothing there,so the government have decided that this is a way of solving the problem,price out the poor people leaving the rich ones with all the goodies as per usual…
god, so many of you are so narrow minded. Whilst I do agree some courses like “golf course managment” should be funded by themselves, here’s another twist in the argument…I pay my taxes, but why should my taxes go to the NHS to help fat people or people on drugs or old people with bus passes?..oh wait, thats why, because if my taxes didn’t go into a nice big money pot, I’d have to pay for everything out of my pocket in one big chunk instead of relying on the government to give me a helping hand once in a while when I need it.
I bet you that when some of you on here get older and cant drive, will kick up a major fuss if they plan to take away the free bus passes! People forget that currently, student education is subsidised, just like the old biddy’s bus pass scheme is subsidised…now if I pay my taxes, I expect me and my children to be able to have access to subsidised education…and my children will pay taxes for the same right.
Would any of you pay the current amount of tax you do now and not have access to NHS, Fire, Police, Ambulance and so on so forth? I think this will come round in several years time to bit a lot of people in the ■■■. And to people who mention about there’s no grants to fund for HGV, it’s not exactly expensive is it? I could save up to do it again in 3 or 4 months! I certainly couldn’t save up £54,000 to become a doctor.
Wheel Nut:
I agree it is a small percentage that are chucking fire extinguishers off buildings and paint at the next in line to the top job. To me chucking emulsion at Camilla horseface is tantamount to burning flags.A friend of mine who works behind the local bar is studying to be a lawyer, not a hot shot criminal lawyer but a corporate, company lawyer. She said the students are protesting about the tuition fees and that they should be paid by tax payers.
Err, they will be taxpayers when they graduate she said, at the moment many “students” are studious in alcohol, ■■■ and geography.
We need doctors, we need lawyers, we need engineers and architects, do we really need someone with a diploma in football or modern art when it involves planting an undressed Christmas tree in the Tate Modern?
Anyone who is protesting with a covered face should be arrested under the prevention of terrorism laws, the rest of the trouble causers should be segregated with rubber bullets!
Nobody wants to stop peaceful protest, even if it is noisy!
I’m one of the ones who got free education, college not Uni though. I think that you’ve got it about spot on there. If students are going to do something that will be of use to society (Not sure about the lawyers like 
) and they will, as has already been said, probably pay for their education in higher taxes in the future. Then all well and good. With the Proviso, that if they leave the country they pay their tuition fees or a proportion of them back. Media studies, and all the other 3 year dosses should be repayed.
I also think that Kids that don’t want to stay in eduction should have the right to leave at 15, with the offer of being able to return and do an A level equivalent at any point up to forty years of age.
Adam_Mc:
god, so many of you are so narrow minded. Whilst I do agree some courses like “golf course managment” should be funded by themselves, here’s another twist in the argument…I pay my taxes, but why should my taxes go to the NHS to help fat people or people on drugs or old people with bus passes?..oh wait, thats why, because if my taxes didn’t go into a nice big money pot, I’d have to pay for everything out of my pocket in one big chunk instead of relying on the government to give me a helping hand once in a while when I need it.I bet you that when some of you on here get older and cant drive, will kick up a major fuss if they plan to take away the free bus passes! People forget that currently, student education is subsidised, just like the old biddy’s bus pass scheme is subsidised…now if I pay my taxes, I expect me and my children to be able to have access to subsidised education…and my children will pay taxes for the same right.
Would any of you pay the current amount of tax you do now and not have access to NHS, Fire, Police, Ambulance and so on so forth? I think this will come round in several years time to bit a lot of people in the ■■■. And to people who mention about there’s no grants to fund for HGV, it’s not exactly expensive is it? I could save up to do it again in 3 or 4 months! I certainly couldn’t save up £54,000 to become a doctor.
Well said…
There were a bad bunch of people (Not necessary Students) at this march, there were also a bad bunch of pigs there too. …
While i dont condone ther violence and vandalism by a minority of the students,just a look at the other side of the coin,the female student hit by police has undergone brain surgery,and the cctv footage of 4 policemen dragging a disabled man out of his wheelchair and along the ground,i dont condone that either.
regards dave.
I a pleased to see the feed back on here ,shows we do care and no everyone is against the genuine students ( we were all young once dont forget) LETS HOPE THE OLD DUFFERS IN THE LORDS BOOT IT OUT
Everyone is entitled to an education. I agree, and for that we still have free education although you may have to pay for your own milk nowadays.
Further Education is different though, most proud parents will help the kids out if they show promise, but those expecting to study rap music or juggling and then appear on the next X factor, become famous and then die of a drugs overdose without ever getting their hands dirty are not promising students.
Most kids want to appear on TV, even if it is only on Jeremy Kyle
Adam_Mc:
god, so many of you are so narrow minded. Whilst I do agree some courses like “golf course managment” should be funded by themselves, here’s another twist in the argument…I pay my taxes, but why should my taxes go to the NHS to help fat people or people on drugs or old people with bus passes?..oh wait, thats why, because if my taxes didn’t go into a nice big money pot, I’d have to pay for everything out of my pocket in one big chunk instead of relying on the government to give me a helping hand once in a while when I need it.I bet you that when some of you on here get older and cant drive, will kick up a major fuss if they plan to take away the free bus passes! People forget that currently, student education is subsidised, just like the old biddy’s bus pass scheme is subsidised…now if I pay my taxes, I expect me and my children to be able to have access to subsidised education…and my children will pay taxes for the same right.
Would any of you pay the current amount of tax you do now and not have access to NHS, Fire, Police, Ambulance and so on so forth? I think this will come round in several years time to bit a lot of people in the ■■■. And to people who mention about there’s no grants to fund for HGV, it’s not exactly expensive is it? I could save up to do it again in 3 or 4 months! I certainly couldn’t save up £54,000 to become a doctor.
But if you where a doctor you could save up in half a year to do it again, could you?
I believe that they should make NHS private, hospitals would have to compete for their customers and maybe don’t waste so much money on Big overhead organisation as the NHS
Britain is far behind on students paying for their own studies, countries around us have this already for donkey years.
Again nobody goes against his will to University, it’s a choice.
It’s not narrow minded, I paid for my own kids to go to the right school, my daughter is a University graduate, and paid for a big part of her study by sponsorship of the company she works now for.
I’m not rich, but I realised that I put my kids on this earth, they are my responsibility and I can and will not request from anybody to pay for them.
I was again my choice to have kids…and choices cost money
If i didn’t have a pension insurance, that would be my choice, but I don’t think i would ask the Governement for a penny to sponsor my old day.
We are so easy in thinking the Governement need to pay for it, not a problem but maybe we need than pay taxes like welfare paredises as Holland and Norway, which are far higher than we do overhere. (and even there are the students requiered to pay for their study)
muckles:
The problem with any of these demonstrations is it attracts a certain element who want to start a fight and create unrest for there own personal agenda.
Yeah, the police.
muckles:
But don’t ever let that be used as an excuse to stop demostrations, even though I’m sure many in power would like to find an excuse.
Indeed.
Point 1.
The police are under orders, making sure there is violence to make sure the students lose public sympathy. Think about it, why else was Charles and Camilla allowed to get so close and threatened?
Remember the miners strike? It has been proven that the BBC altered the sequence of events on their news reports. The version shown was Pickets stopping lorries peacefully, big fight, police horse charge with batons flailing. The actual sequence of events was pickets, police horse charge and then the fighting after they where beaten senseless (including women and reporters who where trying to avoid any violence) by the mounted police. That is in books and the writer has begged to be taken to court for writing it, he hasn’t because they don’t want to open that can of worms.
Poll tax riots with police in uniforms without any numbers on etc who started a lot of the trouble (lose the public sympathy on that one as well).
point 2.
The uni fees are approx £3300pa at present. Our daughter is there for 10 hrs per week, 30 weeks per year. That works out at £11ph per student. Each class is 30 people and each lecture is for about 120-150 students. How much do these greedy buggers need? It is crap value for money now as after you go round all the uni’s getting the ‘come here come here’ routine and you choose one, they treat you like dirt 'cos you are stuck!