Made me laugh
Can all the bremainers explain why we’re so protected as workers inside the eu with our minimum wage, but non eu Switzerland are holding a referendum today to introduce a minimum wage of roughly £9.80 an hour? 
anon84679660:
Carryfast:
anon84679660:
we are going to be begging Germans, to let us trade with them.
:lo
Do you have any idea of what the definition of a massive trade deficit means and who holds all the cards accordingly in this case.
Why don’t you tell me the definition of a massive trade deficit and who holds all the cards, please?
You obviously think it is such a good thing for us, the higher it is the better for and we should keep it for ever and even increase it as it makes us a superpower.
Can’t wait for your enlightening reply.
Let’s get this right.You’ve gone for the typical in campaign scare tactic that ze Germans will hit us with trade sanctions for the crime of seceding from the EU and telling your obvious heroin Merkel to zb off and do one.
Then you’re asking me to tell you what the definition of trade deficit means.
So tell us how does a net exporter impose trade sanctions on a net importer of its products without doing itself more harm than its supposed victim. While at the same time providing that victim with the win win situation of a stronger domestic market for its own domestically made products. 
But yes we know the in campaign is in large part made up of Audi and BMW buyers.Who are zb scared that their traitorous buying habits and not giving a zb about their own country’s fortunes,might get upset in that environment.Being that the zb wit Merkel might just possibly be stupid enough to impose trade sanctions on a net importer of her products.
We can only hope in that regard that the bs scare tactic actually turns out to be real,which unfortunately it wouldn’t,being that even those who support and surround Merkel aren’t that stupid.
OVLOV JAY:
Can all the bremainers explain why we’re so protected as workers inside the eu with our minimum wage, but non eu Switzerland are holding a referendum today to introduce a minimum wage of roughly £9.80 an hour?
Probably for the same reason that they think poverty minimum wage levels in East Euro and resulting mass exodus of its workforce West.Thereby over supplying the labour market and resulting in localised over loading of housing and social provision.Is a good thing.
As for the Swiss it obviously ain’t going to work for that reason.‘Unless’ they can tell the EU to do one regarding free movement rules.Which us back in EFTA would obviously help in providing the required trade deficit muscle.
Well the Swiss are definitely a cleaver nation. Rejecting the socialist project of guaranteed income out of hand, as they know it’s a vote for self implosion. Shame some people here can’t see things so objectively
Carryfast:
Says it all.You’re supposedly all about nationalisation but you support EU membership even though you know that the EU doesn’t even stand for what you say you believe in.
The problem is that the Brexiteers are themselves pro-privatisation. John Major has helpfully pointed this out today in his blistering attack on his fellow Tories.
… IE it’s time to bust the bs myth that the EU is good for workers’ rights.At least unless you’re an East Euro worker taking advantage of free movement rules to escape East Euro wage levels.
But political unification is good for workers rights in general, whereas division precipitates a race to the bottom (or war dead). There is a battle for the soul of the EU between those with a socialist agenda and those with a free market agenda, but leaving the EU will not further the socialist agenda for anyone (and the free market elements of membership will almost certainly be retained or reimplemented by the Brexiteers).
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Says it all.You’re supposedly all about nationalisation but you support EU membership even though you know that the EU doesn’t even stand for what you say you believe in.The problem is that the Brexiteers are themselves pro-privatisation. John Major has helpfully pointed this out today in his blistering attack on his fellow Tories.
… IE it’s time to bust the bs myth that the EU is good for workers’ rights.At least unless you’re an East Euro worker taking advantage of free movement rules to escape East Euro wage levels.
But political unification is good for workers rights in general, whereas division precipitates a race to the bottom (or war dead). There is a battle for the soul of the EU between those with a socialist agenda and those with a free market agenda, but leaving the EU will not further the socialist agenda for anyone (and the free market elements of membership will almost certainly be retained or reimplemented by the Brexiteers).
Why do you think that it’s not possible to support Capitalism doing what Capitalism does best IE wealth creation and Nationalisation in doing what it does best like public utilities and public transport and strategic industries like steel and coal etc.All of that within the accepted proven environment of the nation state and the national interest and all of which being more achievable within that environment than the failed ideology of Socialist anti nation state Federalism.
On that note,like Hoey,I’m happily campaigning for Brexit among totally alien to me free market Capitalists like Hannan etc in the Conservative Eurosceptic ranks.Because as I’ve said before Federalist,Soviet,Tito type Socialism isn’t the answer to the wrong type of Capitalism and we’ve got more chance of achieving the ‘right’ type of Capitalism if we bring all the arguments back onshore to be settled by the domestic electorate.Thereby also stopping the interference of people like Merkel and Juncker and their so called Capitalist ‘and’ Socialist appeasers Callaghan,Thatcher,Blair,Corbyn and Cameron.The difference as I’ve said being the outcome of the 1972 miners’ strike.As opposed to that of '84 and the fate of trade union strength then and since.
On that note you’ve had your chance in the form of Callaghan and Blair.Now it’s time to go back to where we should have been in the form of Benn and Shore and Heffer at least and the Nationalist Labour Party we need and which they were ( rightly ) taking us to without them even realising it.
The obvious question then being how can you possibly supposedly support the idea of ‘nationalisation’ if you don’t support the idea of the nation state.
I can honestly say that the majority of southerners are voting to stay in,thats because our countries minimum laws and rules are based in the south ( well it shows we do have some sense ) and also because those in the north are the hardest workers, and therefore pay more contributions , which in turn keeps us in the south on a life of luxury northerners could only dream of, thats one of the reasons our capital is paved, and oop north, you still have cobbled streets, with the government starving the local councils of cash, with which to give people a smoother walking space, but they say down here, that it wouldnt make much difference anyway, because folk up north wear clogs…if you dont like what most people down here believe, vote OUT, and change the way people think, and also affect their lifestyles…
Carryfast:
The obvious question then being how can you possibly supposedly support the idea of ‘nationalisation’ if you don’t support the idea of the nation state.
Perhaps a better term then would be “collectivisation”, since that is what everyone means by renationalisation. They mean a return to when someone of ordinary means could get on a train, buy a ticket, and be assured of travelling anywhere for a reasonable price (rather than faced with a wildly varying market price reflecting your desperation, idiocy, or lack of reasonable alternatives on the occasion).
Rjan:
Carryfast:
The obvious question then being how can you possibly supposedly support the idea of ‘nationalisation’ if you don’t support the idea of the nation state.Perhaps a better term then would be “collectivisation”, since that is what everyone means by renationalisation. They mean a return to when someone of ordinary means could get on a train, buy a ticket, and be assured of travelling anywhere for a reasonable price (rather than faced with a wildly varying market price reflecting your desperation, idiocy, or lack of reasonable alternatives on the occasion).
I thought you were referring to something like SNCF.Feel free to explain what the N abbreviation means in that title.Having said that the Swiss SBB/CFF isn’t exactly a basket case either.Unlike Soviet Railways which by all accounts collapsed with the Soviet Union. 
Carryfast:
I thought you were referring to something like SNCF.Feel free to explain what the N abbreviation means in that title.Having said that the Swiss SBB/CFF isn’t exactly a basket case either.Unlike Soviet Railways which by all accounts collapsed with the Soviet Union.
God knows what these acronyms mean, but it’s a little bit unfair to say the Soviet Railways collapsed, when what actually happened was that the economy it served collapsed.
It’s a bit like saying “good heavens, poodles are so sickly and prone to dying - last month, the dog’s master collapsed with a heart attack, and the dog died after just four weeks locked in without food and water”.
And nevertheless, Soviet Railways was around longer than British Rail. And both were around an order of magnitude longer than Railtrack.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
I thought you were referring to something like SNCF.Feel free to explain what the N abbreviation means in that title.Having said that the Swiss SBB/CFF isn’t exactly a basket case either.Unlike Soviet Railways which by all accounts collapsed with the Soviet Union.God knows what these acronyms mean, but it’s a little bit unfair to say the Soviet Railways collapsed, when what actually happened was that the economy it served collapsed.
It’s a bit like saying “good heavens, poodles are so sickly and prone to dying - last month, the dog’s master collapsed with a heart attack, and the dog died after just four weeks locked in without food and water”.
And nevertheless, Soviet Railways was around longer than British Rail. And both were around an order of magnitude longer than Railtrack.
Nationalism v Socialism.
More like the Soviet Poodle owner was too interested in looking after and being master of all the other Poodles in the street and forgot/could no longer afford,to look after his own.