Hi,I read the thread regarding not being able to interrupt a reduced rest and then embarking on the ferry.I remember coffeeholics erudite explanations but as i am about to restart euro work soon,what happens say if i get to pompy after accumalating say 13.5 hours of a shift and then embark shortly after?would i simply have to park in the docks till the morning to avoid risking going over my 15 hours? 
if you can get on the ferry before your 15 hours is up you then use the time on the ferry as part of your break but if not then you have to wait until your rest period is up then get on the ferry which won’t impress those in the docks trying to arrange the queue 
It is only possible to interrupt a FULL DAILY REST PERIOD when splitting the rest period on a ferry crossing.
Therefore, it is only possible to work a shift of 13hrs, and this must also make an allowance for time used to make movements on
and off the ferry at either port.
So for instance, if you’d done 12hrs work on arrival at the departure port, and then took 30mins for loading onto the ferry, followed by a 6hr crossing,
you would be allowed upto 30mins to disembark and find somewhere to park, followed by a further 5hrs rest period.
The rules to remember are that total work and rest must not exceed a period of 24hrs, and that you’re not allowed to split a reduced rest period on a ferry crossing.
The example you give, ie 13.5hrs shift on arrival at the port, would not allow you to split your rest period on the ferry, so you would have to take a minimum of 9hrs rest at the port before shipping.
welshboyinspain:
if you can get on the ferry before your 15 hours is up you then use the time on the ferry as part of your break but if not then you have to wait until your rest period is up then get on the ferry which won’t impress those in the docks trying to arrange the queue
Doing a near 15 hour day and having a ferry rest cost me £200 recently. In reality the most you want to be doing if your splitting rest on a ferry is 12.5 hours.
switchlogic:
welshboyinspain:
if you can get on the ferry before your 15 hours is up you then use the time on the ferry as part of your break but if not then you have to wait until your rest period is up then get on the ferry which won’t impress those in the docks trying to arrange the queueDoing a near 15 hour day and having a ferry rest cost me £200 recently. In reality the most you want to be doing if your splitting rest on a ferry is 12.5 hours.
Correct, you need 11 hours rest plus the time for the interruptions when interrupting the rest period and that along with your ‘spreadover’ must fit into teh 24 hour period which commenced when you resumed work after a rest period. As you say that means 12.5 hours is about the maximum you can work before using interrupted rest, less if you are doing two interruptions and the embarkation and disembarkation process are long or there is a bit of a drive to the parking area.
manalishi:
Hi,I read the thread regarding not being able to interrupt a reduced rest and then embarking on the ferry.I remember coffeeholics erudite explanations but as i am about to restart euro work soon,what happens say if i get to pompy after accumalating say 13.5 hours of a shift and then embark shortly after?would i simply have to park in the docks till the morning to avoid risking going over my 15 hours?
You have two options.
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If you will be on board the ferry for at least 9 hours then you can board, provided that is before you reach 15 hours from when you started work.
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Park up and take 9 hours rest, if you have a reduced rest available, and then board the ferry.
13.5 hours ‘spreadover’ means you cannot make use of the interrupted rest option.
Coffeeholic:
- If you will be on board the ferry for at least 9 hours then you can board, provided that is before you reach 15 hours from when you started work.
- Park up and take 9 hours rest, if you have a reduced rest available, and then board the ferry
not being pedantic but thats what i put although not as eloquently yet it seems the general opinion is that my post is wrong?
welshboyinspain:
Coffeeholic:
- If you will be on board the ferry for at least 9 hours then you can board, provided that is before you reach 15 hours from when you started work.
- Park up and take 9 hours rest, if you have a reduced rest available, and then board the ferry
not being pedantic but thats what i put although not as eloquently yet it seems the general opinion is that my post is wrong?
You said if you get to the docks before your 15 hours is up you can use the time on board as part of your break but that isn’t correct. You need to use the all time on board as your total break, so needs to be at least 9 hours, if you have got near 15 hours. You need to be at the docks no more than about 12.5 hours into your shift to be able to use interrupted rest.
Coffeeholic:
welshboyinspain:
Coffeeholic:
- If you will be on board the ferry for at least 9 hours then you can board, provided that is before you reach 15 hours from when you started work.
- Park up and take 9 hours rest, if you have a reduced rest available, and then board the ferry
not being pedantic but thats what i put although not as eloquently yet it seems the general opinion is that my post is wrong?
You said if you get to the docks before your 15 hours is up you can use the time on board as part of your break but that isn’t correct. You need to use the all time on board as your total break, so needs to be at least 9 hours, if you have got near 15 hours. You need to be at the docks no more than about 12.5 hours into your shift to be able to use interrupted rest.
i don’t see where the 12.5hrs comes from as a rough guide?
it doesn’t take 2.5hrs to get from booking in to getting on the boat unless its a huge dock
i can arrive at santander on 14.5 hrs pull up at the window book in go to ticket bloke and guardia looking for illegals and then embark all before my 15hrs are up and be on my first beer in a couple of minutes
welshboyinspain:
Coffeeholic:
welshboyinspain:
Coffeeholic:
- If you will be on board the ferry for at least 9 hours then you can board, provided that is before you reach 15 hours from when you started work.
- Park up and take 9 hours rest, if you have a reduced rest available, and then board the ferry
not being pedantic but thats what i put although not as eloquently yet it seems the general opinion is that my post is wrong?
You said if you get to the docks before your 15 hours is up you can use the time on board as part of your break but that isn’t correct. You need to use the all time on board as your total break, so needs to be at least 9 hours, if you have got near 15 hours. You need to be at the docks no more than about 12.5 hours into your shift to be able to use interrupted rest.
i don’t see where the 12.5hrs comes from as a rough guide?
it doesn’t take 2.5hrs to get from booking in to getting on the boat unless its a huge dock
i can arrive at santander on 14.5 hrs pull up at the window book in go to ticket bloke and guardia looking for illegals and then embark all before my 15hrs are up and be on my first beer in a couple of minutes
The 12.5 hours is a rough guide when using interrupted rest, on the Santander boat you don’t need to use interrupted rest as the crossing is so long. The OP was asking about Portsmouth with its shorter crossings when you might want to use the interrupted rest facility. Your shift, 11 hours rest and two interruptions must all fit into a 24 hour period so 24 hours minus 11 hours rest minus at least 30 minutes for the two interruptions leaves 12.5 hours for the shift. That’s if you can complete both interruptions in 30 minutes, you may need longer which reduces the 12.5 hours even further.
On the Santander boat you will get 9 hour rest in to go with your almost 15 hour shift and all within the 24 hour period.
Ahh, as clear as mud that 
2 movements in 11 hours, never had a problem yet…
lrm
LRM:
2 movements in 11 hours, never had a problem yet…lrm
You may have been lucky
Article 9 - (EU) 561/2006
Article 9
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.
Page 17 - GV262
Journeys involving ferry or train transport
Where a driver accompanies a vehicle that is being transported by ferry or train, the daily rest requirements are more flexible.
A regular daily rest period may be interrupted no more than twice, but the total interruption must not exceed 1 hour in total. This allows for a vehicle to be driven onto a ferry and off at the end of a sea crossing. Where the rest period is interrupted in this way, the total â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– rest period must still be 11 hours. A bunk or couchette must be available during the rest period.
LRM:
2 movements in 11 hours, never had a problem yet…lrm
Yet. Keep taking less than 11 hours rest and you will do, see switchlogic’s post for the fine amount.
2 m
2 movements in 11hrs, example, arrive in the lane at dover ar 22:00hrs, board at 2300hrs, get of at 0045hrs and run up the corridor to first available parking 0115hrs, start again at 0900hrs, 2 movements in 11hrs, far easier than the old 1 movement in 13hrs, like i said, never had a problem…
LRM:
2 movements in 11hrs, example, arrive in the lane at dover ar 22:00hrs, board at 2300hrs, get of at 0045hrs and run up the corridor to first available parking 0115hrs, start again at 0900hrs, 2 movements in 11hrs, far easier than the old 1 movement in 13hrs, like i said, never had a problem…
But have your records ever been checked by the authorities when you’ve done this ?
LRM:
2 movements in 11hrs, example, arrive in the lane at dover ar 22:00hrs, board at 2300hrs, get of at 0045hrs and run up the corridor to first available parking 0115hrs, start again at 0900hrs, 2 movements in 11hrs, far easier than the old 1 movement in 13hrs, like i said, never had a problem…
Sorry LRM, but you’ve been breaking the rules. Guess you’ve just been lucky so far. The rest period must total 11hrs when you split it. Your example gives a total rest period of a maximum of 10.30hrs.
LRM:
2 movements in 11hrs, example, arrive in the lane at dover ar 22:00hrs, board at 2300hrs, get of at 0045hrs and run up the corridor to first available parking 0115hrs, start again at 0900hrs, 2 movements in 11hrs, far easier than the old 1 movement in 13hrs, like i said, never had a problem…
You have been very lucky. Keep doing that and you will, unless you remain very lucky, eventually have several problems with the potential for a large fine, it’s not 2 movements in 11 hours, it is two movements plus 11 hours rest.
Among the problems will be…
Insufficient daily rest, you have had less than the required 11 hours.
â– â– hours working without a rest period. When you have insufficient daily rest the total work for the two days will be added together. This could mean up to 28 hours without a rest period and that one will be a big fine.
Exceeding daily driving limit. Insufficient rest means two days driving will be added together and this will likely take you over 10 hours.
And finally you cannot use the interrupted daily rest option on a crossing from Dover as you don’t have access to a bunk for all parts of the rest period. Belgian and French authorities in the area are well aware of this and often fine drivers for this offence. There have been posts on here from people who have fallen foul of that one and it has cost them several hundred Euros.
What we need is somethong like a CPC for drivers. You never know what you might learn.