like i said, never had a problem yet, neither digi or analouge analysis hasnt picked it up, 2 movements in 11 hours, never one to over complicate things…
however, every day is a school day…
Lrm
LRM:
like i said, never had a problem yet, neither digi or analouge analysis hasnt picked it up, 2 movements in 11 hours,
Doesn’t sound like a very good analysis company or software if they/it is missing something as basic as that. Makes you wonder what else they/it is missing which could prove costly to the driver out on the road. Like I said, the French and Belgian enforcement officers in that region are a bit more switched on than whoever is doing your analysis and it could cost you big time if they stop you when you have either use the interrupted rest on a Dover/Calais crossing or have just taken 11 hours including the movements. If you are using it you cannot really work more than 12 - 12.5 hours in the shift before it to leave enough time for the interruption(s) and the two or three rest periods must total at least 11 hours.
Thanks gentlemen I reckon I can work with this information.Happy new year to you fine folks.
i dont worry bout if getting to port on 12 hours or 15 hours but make sure i take the 11 hours plus say half hour for the movements
for eg if i arrived in portsmouth at 2130 on say 14.5hr spread and lets say 15 mins on to boat and 15 mins off other side in morn and park back up
i will leave the port eg caen /lehavre around 0900 11 hrs plus movements
been downloaded many a time in france and spain never had a problem
have tho odd frenchman trying to fine for the movements but show him the artickle in eu reg for ferry movements keep copy ferry ticket and away u go
if sat and waited for morning boat would never get the job done
only time il wait iss for the santander crossing
its a grey area same as 120 hours driving in a 24 hour peiod
been pulled up many atime done ten hours drive parked up 9 off gone againb and yes then into more than 10 in a 24hr period but norm problem sir but show then the 9 hour beak on printout and ok off you go
not saying you wouldnt get nicked but a grey area and personally never been fined for it
Same as 7 cards dont like doing it but sometimes will
eg started 1400 sunday shipped out and had load to tip in kernt saturday morning at 10am
pulled by vosa canterbury after tipping on way to folkestone to park up thought ■■■■ here we go
explained to him grey area and he sdaid yes your right even know was on 7 cards (driving etc) but still with in the 6th24hour period and had to be off road by 1400 which i was
grey areas whiuch sometimes helps you bend the rules a little
its a grey area same as 10 hours driving in a 24 hour peiod
been pulled up many atime done ten hours drive parked up 9 off gone againb and yes then into more than 10 in a 24hr period but norm problem sir but show then the 9 hour beak on printout and ok off you go
not saying you wouldnt get nicked but a grey area and personally never been fined for it
Same as 7 cards dont like doing it but sometimes will
eg started 1400 sunday shipped out and had load to tip in kernt saturday morning at 10am
pulled by vosa canterbury after tipping on way to folkestone to park up thought ■■■■ here we go
explained to him grey area and he sdaid yes your right even know was on 7 cards (driving etc) but still with in the 6th24hour period and had to be off road by 1400 which i was
grey areas whiuch sometimes helps you bend the rules a little
Here we go again, grey areas and 7 cards a week 
Del, Rog you are needed again
DS2604:
its a grey area same as 10 hours driving in a 24 hour peiodbeen pulled up many atime done ten hours drive parked up 9 off gone againb and yes then into more than 10 in a 24hr period but norm problem sir but show then the 9 hour beak on printout and ok off you go
not saying you wouldnt get nicked but a grey area and personally never been fined for it
There’s no grey aea there 
There’s nothing in the regulations that says you should not drive for more than 10 hours in 24 hours, not unless you’re on nights and there’s no opt out from the night time workers rules in place.
The completion of a daily or weekly rest period starts a new period of 24 hours and resets the driving time.
DS2604:
its a grey area same as 120 hours driving in a 24 hour period
Now that’s definitely not a grey area 
tachograph:
DS2604:
its a grey area same as 10 hours driving in a 24 hour peiodbeen pulled up many atime done ten hours drive parked up 9 off gone againb and yes then into more than 10 in a 24hr period but norm problem sir but show then the 9 hour beak on printout and ok off you go
not saying you wouldnt get nicked but a grey area and personally never been fined for itThere’s no grey aea there
There’s nothing in the regulations that says you should not drive for more than 10 hours in 24 hours, not unless you’re on nights and there’s no opt out from the night time workers rules in place.
The completion of a daily or weekly rest period starts a new period of 24 hours and resets the driving time.
This^ nothing grey at all about doing more than 10 hours driving in 24 hours.
DS2604:
eg started 1400 sunday shipped out and had load to tip in kernt saturday morning at 10am
pulled by vosa canterbury after tipping on way to folkestone to park up thought [zb] here we go
explained to him grey area and he sdaid yes your right even know was on 7 cards (driving etc) but still with in the 6th24hour period and had to be off road by 1400 which i was
grey areas whiuch sometimes helps you bend the rules a little
You didn’t point out a grey area to him at all, you pointed out something which is very much black and white in the UK. As much as drivers would like to think, or say, there are grey areas in the regulations there really aren’t any. All the grey areas were resolved with court cases many years ago. The grey areas tend to eb in peoples heads when they either haven’t read the regulations properly, or failed to understand what they are reading.
Take the supposed ‘ferry rest’ grey area for instance.
Article 9
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.
Nothing grey about that at all. It says you can interrupt a regular rest period and a regular daily rest period must be at least 11 hours and must be completed within the 24-hour period which began when you resumed work after your last rest period. Couldn’t be any clearer so definitely no grey area.
DS2604:
i dont worry bout if getting to port on 12 hours or 15 hours but make sure i take the 11 hours plus say half hour for the movements
It is not possible to take an 11 hour break after working more than 13 hours. 13 hours and 1 minute and that is a reduced rest, regardless of the amount of rest you actually take, and you cannot interrupt a reduced rest.
for eg if i arrived in portsmouth at 2130 on say 14.5hr spread and lets say 15 mins on to boat and 15 mins off other side in morn and park back up
i will leave the port eg caen /lehavre around 0900 11 hrs plus movements
been downloaded many a time in france and spain never had a problem
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DS2604:
have tho odd frenchman trying to fine for the movements but show him the artickle in eu reg for ferry movements keep copy ferry ticket and away u go
You’ve been luck that you haven’t encountered one who actually knows the rules, when you do you will be in for some very large fines.
Arriving in Portsmouth at 21:30, after starting at 07:00, and catching the ferny means that by the time you head down the road at 09:00 the next morning you will have clocked your first offence of insufficient rest. At some point during the day you will add exceeding the maximum driving time to the list as well, when you haven’t had a daily rest the driving for the two days will be added together so it is quite possible you could be done for 18 or more hours driving and that is going to be silly money.
Not being able to use the interrupted rest period option correctly because you wouldn’t get the job done isn’t a defence.
I’m with Mr Holic, it’s all perfectly plain and clear. I myself carry a VOSA hours handbook just in case I have any queries.
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period of 11 hours , that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.
Nothing in derogation apart from 11 hours each to their own but since april 2007 have been down loaded many occasions in france, spain ,italy , germany even the uk
and never had a problem
only once in france at nantes and showed the 11 off but only drove 3 hours to the port on a sunday so wasnt over 15
and they said you cant make movements taken to police station showed them eu law above in french and was given apology coffee and lift back to lorry
Each to their own but my truck my business run 99.9% cent legal - we all go over sometimes esp if traffic jams
Also my 4 drivers run the same as this and never picked up a fine since change of laws in 2007
Even back last year vosa check of all records no problems at all
Wheel Nut:
Here we go again, grey areas and 7 cards a week
Not here we go again i rarely use it but if means getting home i will
but for eg
sunday 1300 to 0100 monday
monday 1000 to 1900
tuesday 0700 to 2100
weds 0600 to 1900
thurs 0700 to 1800
friday 0700 to 2000
saturday 0530 to 1200
this is just eg of duty time but this would be totally legal as of the road by the 6th 24hr period and have used 7 cards so to speak
as long as not over driving hours weekly or fortnightly
DS2604:
Wheel Nut:
Here we go again, grey areas and 7 cards a weekNot here we go again i rarely use it but if means getting home i will
but for eg
sunday 1300 to 0100 monday
monday 1000 to 1900
tuesday 0700 to 2100
weds 0600 to 1900
thurs 0700 to 1800
friday 0700 to 2000
saturday 0530 to 1200this is just eg of duty time but this would be totally legal as of the road by the 6th 24hr period and have used 7 cards so to speak
as long as not over driving hours weekly or fortnightly
Indeed, but you claimed it was a ‘grey area’ when in fact there is nothing grey about it and it is completely legal as far as VOSA are concerned.
DS2604:
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period of 11 hours , that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.Nothing in derogation apart from 11 hours
But how can you take an 11 hour rest if you work more than 13 hours? You can’t. So, if you are using the interrupted rest option when you must have 11 hours rest, as you show in the quote from the regulations, and you need time for the one or two movements then you cannot realistically work more than about 12.5 hours.
The derogation only removes the requirement for the rest period to be an uninterrupted period, all the other requirements for daily rest remain.
DS2604:
only once in france at nantes and showed the 11 off but only drove 3 hours to the port on a sunday so wasnt over 15
More importantly you weren’t over 12 - 13 hours for your shift, not being over 15 isn’t the important bit here.
DS2604:
Each to their own but my truck my business run 99.9% cent legal
No where near that legal if you have been doing what you say you have when catching a ferry and using the interrupted rest option.
DS2604:
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period of 11 hours , that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.Nothing in derogation apart from 11 hours each to their own but since april 2007 have been down loaded many occasions in france, spain ,italy , germany even the uk
and never had a problem
only once in france at nantes and showed the 11 off but only drove 3 hours to the port on a sunday so wasnt over 15
and they said you cant make movements taken to police station showed them eu law above in french and was given apology coffee and lift back to lorryEach to their own but my truck my business run 99.9% cent legal - we all go over sometimes esp if traffic jams
Also my 4 drivers run the same as this and never picked up a fine since change of laws in 2007
Even back last year vosa check of all records no problems at all
There always a first time. Having spent nearly all of my career running horrifically bent I picked up my first ever tacho fines recently for this very issue while I thought I was running totally legally. Many enforcement people overlook this issue, because it’s bo locks, but there’s always a jobs worth out there waiting for you.
switchlogic:
DS2604:
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period of 11 hours , that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette.Nothing in derogation apart from 11 hours each to their own but since april 2007 have been down loaded many occasions in france, spain ,italy , germany even the uk
and never had a problem
only once in france at nantes and showed the 11 off but only drove 3 hours to the port on a sunday so wasnt over 15
and they said you cant make movements taken to police station showed them eu law above in french and was given apology coffee and lift back to lorryEach to their own but my truck my business run 99.9% cent legal - we all go over sometimes esp if traffic jams
Also my 4 drivers run the same as this and never picked up a fine since change of laws in 2007
Even back last year vosa check of all records no problems at allThere always a first time. Having spent nearly all of my career running horrifically bent I picked up my first ever tacho fines recently for this very issue while I thought I was running totally legally. Many enforcement people overlook this issue, because it’s bo locks, but there’s always a jobs worth out there waiting for you.
very true there is always one even 10 years ago get to poole 2100 leave cherbourg 0600 9 hours and movements never ever looked at but how times change we never even worried about the 90 in fortnight back then
know what you mean there pre 1993 and the 80’s wernt many on intl work who could say ran legal but the fines wernt there then ewither well not as bad and a backhander was always an option
pre customs days 4 spains a month not a prob those were the days alot better when the borders were there
Too right,after the borders shut it went down hill then,i had proper days off,weekends on the beach,chuck the papers in to the agent on a friday to clear monday.Catch up with some mates along the way,International work now is a pain,there is no happiness in it with greedy bosses that dont know one end of a truck to the other.
toby1234abc:
bosses that dont know one end of a truck to the other.
lot of drivers like that as well unfortunately 