Not signing the treaty

Carryfast:

Happy Keith:

orys:
‘…it is better to have one paneuropean union than few smaller ones…’

As a Briton, I disagree.
Unless it is democratically & wholly unified

‘…I think that is exactly what orys is saying and all those who are supporting the idea of a federal Europe actually want. :open_mouth: …’

Agreed, and to get my two bobs-worth straight, how on earth can such ‘…diversity…’ ever be ‘…unified…’ :question:

If this were the Dragons Den, anyone advocating what these expensive EU nutters want of us, they’d be out on their butts :neutral_face:

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…ex Soviet Union, East European and Yugoslav states … found a way of forgetting all their differences by … joining the EU although Turkey seems close to trying and succeeding…’

About which and should Turkey join - thereby multiplying the muddle by dragging their variation of Allah and assorted Brothers on board (Peace be upon Him/Them and may their sisters all be pretty [ :neutral_face: ], etc), what advantage is there to any member nation - especially the skint Greeks to whom Turkey would arguably not toss a coin?

Was Cameron’s recent announcement that ‘…[the UK] is a Christian country…’ a subtly coded message opposing Turkey joining the rolling cluster-flick of EU federalisation?

I don’t think that tory zb Cameron could care less who they are just so long as they provide more cheap labour for his cronies.

Any of the issues that Cameron might have with EU membership have nothing to do with the general interests of the British population as a whole.

Oh, I see you don’t need me at all. You know better what I think anyway :wink: Enjoy :slight_smile:

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:

Happy Keith:

orys:
‘…it is better to have one paneuropean union than few smaller ones…’

As a Briton, I disagree.
Unless it is democratically & wholly unified

‘…I think that is exactly what orys is saying and all those who are supporting the idea of a federal Europe actually want. :open_mouth: …’

Agreed, and to get my two bobs-worth straight, how on earth can such ‘…diversity…’ ever be ‘…unified…’ :question::expressionless:

Just ask orys.Just so long as you keep on chucking enough money at them all they’ll all be happy.Even the Turks,Greeks,Serbs,Croats,Slovenes,Poles and Russians if Russia joins too. :laughing:

Carryfast:
Just ask orys.Just so long as you keep on chucking enough money at them all they’ll all be happy.Even the Turks,Greeks,Serbs,Croats,Slovenes,Poles and Russians if Russia joins too. :laughing:

That’s socialism for you, it’s a good idea…until you run out of other people’s money :wink:

newmercman:

Carryfast:
Just ask orys.Just so long as you keep on chucking enough money at them all they’ll all be happy.Even the Turks,Greeks,Serbs,Croats,Slovenes,Poles and Russians if Russia joins too. :laughing:

That’s socialism for you, it’s a good idea…until you run out of other people’s money :wink:

That definition would make every zb banker,and house buyer,and so called free market east european convert,a socialist, by using money that they’ve been paying investors 1% interest for,to make a profit with or to give to the east europeans and Greeks etc and then just ask those same investors to bail out those same banks etc by putting up taxes,or making them pay the same for reduced public services,when it all goes pear shaped. :imp:

But it would be good idea if it was only the Germans paying for it in this case. :laughing:

Ho-hum reality bites and the Germans are backtracking and grovelling as without the UK they’ll be left to carry the whole ■■■■■■■■■ themselves :smiling_imp:

"The German foreign minister has pledged to “build bridges” in the wake of David Cameron’s summit veto - insisting Britain was an “indispensable partner” in the EU.

At a joint press conference with Foreign Secretary William Hague in London, Guido Westerwelle said the union had to remain “united”.

“For Germany the United Kingdom is an indispensable partner in the European Union,”

chicane:
Ho-hum reality bites and the Germans are backtracking and grovelling as without the UK they’ll be left to carry the whole [zb] themselves :smiling_imp:

"The German foreign minister has pledged to “build bridges” in the wake of David Cameron’s summit veto - insisting Britain was an “indispensable partner” in the EU.

At a joint press conference with Foreign Secretary William Hague in London, Guido Westerwelle said the union had to remain “united”.

“For Germany the United Kingdom is an indispensable partner in the European Union,”

Exactly.In which case we should tell them to shove it where the sun don’t shine and pay up because we’re off out of it. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Build bridges…of course,and this is why :imp:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew…he-UK.html

Sorry :blush: try this
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … he-UK.html

Baggie:
Sorry :blush: try this
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … he-UK.html

When asked when they would be getting the money Cameron obviously wasn’t prepared to comment while hecklers singing the dambusters anthem could be heard coming from somwhere. :laughing:

See Osborne has told them to go forth and self replicate, over the £50bn contribution they requested :grimacing:

chicane:
See Osborne has told them to go forth and self replicate, over the £50bn contribution they requested :grimacing:

They probably just said 50 bn to start with because they think that he’s stupid enough to think that he’s got a good deal when they reduced the demand to just 25 bn.

Carryfast:

chicane:
‘… the United Kingdom is an indispensable partner in the European Union…’

‘…Exactly.In which case we should tell them to shove it where the sun don’t shine and pay up because we’re off out of it. :smiling_imp: :laughing:…’

Many are either not brave enough or they run scared.

Courtesy of lies & political distortions (with the connivance of the BBC) maybe too many within this (now) EU nation state have sleepwalked into this expensive & humiliating sack-of-cack and now sheepishly accepts the bat being wedged up our collective butts :question:

Baggie:
Sorry :blush: try this
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … he-UK.html

I am back, as I am curious about your opinion.

UK was asked to lend (not to give, to lend) Eurozone about 30 bilions Euro. Sweden was asked for 6.8 bilions and Poland for 6.3…

Now, compare that to how rich is each of this country… How it looks where compared to average salary of its citizens…

Discuss :wink:

orys:

Baggie:
Sorry :blush: try this
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … he-UK.html

I am back, as I am curious about your opinion.

UK was asked to lend (not to give, to lend) Eurozone about 30 bilions Euro. Sweden was asked for 6.8 bilions and Poland for 6.3…

Now, compare that to how rich is each of this country… How it looks where compared to average salary of its citizens…

Discuss :wink:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

So why don’t the Germans want to ‘lend’ it all to them in the sure knowledge that they’ll get their money back with interest instead of missing out on such a great opportunity by letting the British get in on the act.It’s unusual for the Germans to ever want to share a good money making scheme with us when they could take it all for themselves.

Probably because the Germans know that in this case lending money to cover someone else’s debts that they can’t afford to pay back is the same thing as a giving it to them.

Zb em if we’ve got any sense we’re out of here and let the Germans ‘lend’ them all the money instead.

Carryfast:
So why don’t the Germans want to ‘lend’ it all to them in the sure knowledge that they’ll get their money back with interest instead of missing out on such a great opportunity by letting the British get in on the act.It’s unusual for the Germans to ever want to share a good money making scheme with us when they could take it all for themselves.

Because the numbers above are refering to non-Euro members of EU and Germany is not one of them? It’s rather hard to lend money to yourself, you know…

I was rather courious your opinion on the facts above. From your opinions one could expect that it will be Britain giving 42 bilions - 30 to Eurozone, 6 to Sweden and 6 to Poland, but it seems that Poland is also asked to contribute significant amount of money to help the Eurozone. Obviously it is not only Britain who has to fork out the money.

I am quite courios as well, that you did not noticed, that poor Poland is asked for about the same amount as rich Sweden which has more than three times higher GDP per head and only sligtly lower in general terms due to having less citizens…

That has for sure make some of your theories about EE only milking money and not putting anything to the common jar less strong?

orys:

Carryfast:
So why don’t the Germans want to ‘lend’ it all to them in the sure knowledge that they’ll get their money back with interest instead of missing out on such a great opportunity by letting the British get in on the act.It’s unusual for the Germans to ever want to share a good money making scheme with us when they could take it all for themselves.

Because the numbers above are refering to non-Euro members of EU and Germany is not one of them? It’s rather hard to lend money to yourself, you know…

I was rather courious your opinion on the facts above. From your opinions one could expect that it will be Britain giving 42 bilions - 30 to Eurozone, 6 to Sweden and 6 to Poland, but it seems that Poland is also asked to contribute significant amount of money to help the Eurozone. Obviously it is not only Britain who has to fork out the money.

I am quite courios as well, that you did not noticed, that poor Poland is asked for about the same amount as rich Sweden which has more than three times higher GDP per head and only sligtly lower in general terms due to having less citizens…

That has for sure make some of your theories about EE only milking money and not putting anything to the common jar less strong?

It’s ironic that Germany is one of the countries that is in the Euro currency zone and it’s mainly because of the crisis within that currency that the money is needed.

It’s also ironic that even with all the cutcacks and austerity measures here,because of our own economic problems,the Germans seem to think that we can afford to keep chucking all this money at the EU,in order to keep the rest of the EU buying stuff from Germany,to provide Germany with it’s accustomed better living standards and economic balance of payments figures,which has always been an issue ever since we joined the EEC/EU.

As far as I know the Swedes have been rich enough so far to enjoy much better living standards than us too and seem to have had enough money to go on some guilt trip third world aid spending spree when they could have ‘lent’ (given) that money to Greece and Ireland instead to help them out and although the east european states like Poland might be getting asked to put some money up now,how much is that when compared to what they’ve already received from the EU so far ?.

The fact is Germany and France and the East Europeans are the only ones who really have anything to lose if the Euro and the EU collapses and Britain stands to lose more by keeping on subsidising the whole parasitic lot of them than if we were to just get out of the place and leave them all to to it.

So as I said Zb em it’s Germany that’s always had the best deal out of the EU so now let those zb’s pay for it for a change and we’ll just get on with providing for our own home market instead of being in a trade deficit for the benefit of German workers and the German economy and subsidising everyone in else the EU to help them pay for German goods.

However it’s interesting as to how it’s always been a case in the EU that when it comes to wages and living standards Germany always seems to be able to say that it is better and worth more than everyone else so it can take more out of the pot than everyone else can and if there’s any economic issues it’s always the others that have to take ‘austerity measures’ never Germany.

Having said all that it’s my bet that if we stick to our guns and tell the EU to zb off we’re out of it then Germany would follow in which case the East Europeans and the French will be left with having to sort it all out amongst themselves but knowing the French I wouldn’t be too reliant on them being much help. :open_mouth: :laughing:

orys:
‘… poor Poland is asked for about the same amount as rich Sweden …’

Aah, but which of these two Euro states does Britain send millions of ££’s in ‘Child benefit’ claims :question:

I doubt if ‘…poor Poland…’ is as ‘…poor…’ as some might wish us to imagine :wink:

Happy Keith:

orys:
‘… poor Poland is asked for about the same amount as rich Sweden …’

Aah, but which of these two Euro states does Britain send millions of ££’s in ‘Child benefit’ claims :question:

I doubt if ‘…poor Poland…’ is as ‘…poor…’ as some might wish us to imagine :wink:

Oh, I am perfectly sure that you are in doubt about everything when it comes to Poland and not support your theories :wink:

As for Child Benefit - to none. Britain is not sending money abroad. They pay child benefits to workers working in Britain who have kids, and it is not important if they are Polish and have kids in Poland living with their mum, or German and have kids in Germany living with their aunt, or British and have kids in Spain, living with their grandparents. You are British worker and British taxpayer, you have some duties to fullfill and you have some rights you can claim. It is as simply as that.