Not looking forward to next week

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Day 1:

Part 1 of my route was a local drop, did that, stopped at services on the way back to fill up @ 23:45, all good. I kept seeing those masks being sold at the counter for a couple of days but always forget to buy them. Last night I forgot my wallet in the truck, oh well I said to myself, I’ll get a couple in the morning when I come to fill up again the other truck after doing the 2nd part of my run

Went to the same services on the way to the yard, 6 am - sign at door ‘‘NO MASK - NO ENTRY’’, a-hah! This time I have my wallet so I’m good, I’m going to walk in and immediately buy 2 masks and put one on. Loudspeaker: ‘‘Have you got a mask, mate? Put on a mask before you go in’’. 180, back to truck, back to the yard, debrief - couldn’t fill up because so and so, TM just waved me off ‘‘Oh there’s going to be a lot of that today’’. Happy days :slight_smile:

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switchlogic:
No maybe not but then at least they aren’t snowflakes like you ladies. :wink:

The snowflakes are the ones wanting everyone to wear a bit of cloth over their faces. You can tell it’s only just for show by the fact you’re allowed to make your own from any material you choose.

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robroy:
My 80 yr old Auntie who has a dodgy lung has been stuck in the house since March, she has seen the new mask rule and rang me the other day to say she might go out for a walk to the shop, as she felt a bit safer all the other shoppers wearing masks, along with herself.

Only problem with that is that they’re only required to wear them in the shop, not walking around. If she’s thinking that everyone going to the shops will be walking to the shops wearing masks she’s going to be very disappointed.

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ETS:
Day 1:

Part 1 of my route was a local drop, did that, stopped at services on the way back to fill up @ 23:45, all good. I kept seeing those masks being sold at the counter for a couple of days but always forget to buy them. Last night I forgot my wallet in the truck, oh well I said to myself, I’ll get a couple in the morning when I come to fill up again the other truck after doing the 2nd part of my run

Went to the same services on the way to the yard, 6 am - sign at door ‘‘NO MASK - NO ENTRY’’, a-hah! This time I have my wallet so I’m good, I’m going to walk in and immediately buy 2 masks and put one on. Loudspeaker: ‘‘Have you got a mask, mate? Put on a mask before you go in’’. 180, back to truck, back to the yard, debrief - couldn’t fill up because so and so, TM just waved me off ‘‘Oh there’s going to be a lot of that today’’. Happy days :slight_smile:

Oh just to add, the guy behind the counter who was scolding me over the loudspeaker wasn’t wearing a mask himself - like what the actual ■■■■■

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Conor:

robroy:
My 80 yr old Auntie who has a dodgy lung has been stuck in the house since March, she has seen the new mask rule and rang me the other day to say she might go out for a walk to the shop, as she felt a bit safer all the other shoppers wearing masks, along with herself.

Only problem with that is that they’re only required to wear them in the shop, not walking around. If she’s thinking that everyone going to the shops will be walking to the shops wearing masks she’s going to be very disappointed.

Walking around in the open air, a metre or more from others, is different to shopping, coughing and sputtering over the fruit and veg, or the shopping trollies.
And yes, I think you’re right: RR’s auntie will disappointed at the selfish attitude of so many.

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ETS:

ETS:
Day 1:

Part 1 of my route was a local drop, did that, stopped at services on the way back to fill up @ 23:45, all good. I kept seeing those masks being sold at the counter for a couple of days but always forget to buy them. Last night I forgot my wallet in the truck, oh well I said to myself, I’ll get a couple in the morning when I come to fill up again the other truck after doing the 2nd part of my run

Went to the same services on the way to the yard, 6 am - sign at door ‘‘NO MASK - NO ENTRY’’, a-hah! This time I have my wallet so I’m good, I’m going to walk in and immediately buy 2 masks and put one on. Loudspeaker: ‘‘Have you got a mask, mate? Put on a mask before you go in’’. 180, back to truck, back to the yard, debrief - couldn’t fill up because so and so, TM just waved me off ‘‘Oh there’s going to be a lot of that today’’. Happy days :slight_smile:

Oh just to add, the guy behind the counter who was scolding me over the loudspeaker wasn’t wearing a mask himself - like what the actual [zb]?

Where was he? Behind a screen operating the pumps?
If so he won’t be breathing over you or the goods. Wipe off surfaces at shift change. If staff are restocking shelves wear mask and gloves.

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Conor:

robroy:
My 80 yr old Auntie who has a dodgy lung has been stuck in the house since March, she has seen the new mask rule and rang me the other day to say she might go out for a walk to the shop, as she felt a bit safer all the other shoppers wearing masks, along with herself.

Only problem with that is that they’re only required to wear them in the shop, not walking around. If she’s thinking that everyone going to the shops will be walking to the shops wearing masks she’s going to be very disappointed.

Yep, you know that, and I know that, but at least she wll feel safe (er) in her own mind wearing her own mask…,even thoughts know it ain’t as safe as people think in terms of catching the virus, more psychological safe in their own minds thing I reckon.

I think she’s just glad that she feels she can go out, o te other hand my parents of a similar age have more or less just went about things as normal. :smiley:

I am certainly not a serial conformist by any stretch, but seeing as the reason and the motive is all good ,and not some hidden agenda ■■■■■■■■ in reality (as things usual are in tis country) putting a snood over my mouth isn’t a problem to me.

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Franglais:
Where was he? Behind a screen operating the pumps?

Apparently the screen only works one way though. Maybe they should flip it around that way only he has to wear the mask? Either way that was my last visit at this particular MSA, I’ll be using another one where you can actually ‘‘pay’’ without entering. It’s slightly further from the yard but shouldn’t make much of a difference.

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It seems that Sainsburys are the first of the major supermarkets to break rank, and openly announce that they will not enforce this new law as of today. :neutral_face:

If no none else follows suit, then Sainsburys will be big winners over the months to come…

Any advantage will be nullified - if they now ALL follow suit, however. :bulb:

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Conor:

Winseer:
As of Friday, we’re all supposed to be wearing masks.

What happens next week though?

There’s surely going to be people milling about, trying to find the maybe one shop in four that “won’t be enforcing it”.

Alternatively, isn’t it time to STOP this utter bull?

For once I’m in total agreement with you.

Where I am the infection rate is 1 in 10,000. Population in my town is 11,000.

There’s 3 petrol stations in the town which are open 16hrs a day

Takes 5 minutes to fuel up. There’s 192 5 minute slots in 16hrs.

The risk factor is therefore 1 in (10,000x3x192)= 5,760,000.

You’ve roughly just one chance in just under six million of being in the same petrol station at the same time as the one person in my town who may have it when you fuel up your car. If you assign a very generous in the favour of the handwringers 50/50 chance to them not wearing a mask and coughing in your direction when you’re close enough then the risk drops to 1 in 11,520,000.

So what’s happening next week for me is simple. I ain’t wearing one. The risk is so ridiculously low that it’s just a pointless comfort blanket exercise, something the government is doing so they can be seen to be doing something and it’s nothing more than pandering to the press. When we should have been having to wear them WAS FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS AGO not now. Now we should be reducing the need to be wearing them, not just starting to do so.

As for my civic duty, you can stick two fingers up to that. Nobody gave a toss about us when they were on furlough buying all kinds of crap and not just necessary stuff meaning over a million workers in the logistics sector were working instead of also being at home on furlough so why should I give a crap about the public?

Any shopping I need to do will be done online. As the only thing I need to actually buy at a retail establishment in person is fuel for the car I’ve loaded up my mobile phone with the BPMe and Esso apps so I can use those to pay when I fuel up if I don’t end up somewhere where there’s a pay at pump option. In short until the government end this then I’ll not be spending a single penny of money in my town. And I doubt I’ll be the only one as a lot of people in lockdown have been ordering online and finding that actually it’s quite easy and much better than standing in queues. Retail is going on about the death of the high street to the government but this will do more damage to the high street than any other thing possibly could. I expect to see more shops closing as a result the longer it goes on.

Absolutely spot on.

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Yes,well said.

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ETS:
Day 1:

Part 1 of my route was a local drop, did that, stopped at services on the way back to fill up @ 23:45, all good. I kept seeing those masks being sold at the counter for a couple of days but always forget to buy them. Last night I forgot my wallet in the truck, oh well I said to myself, I’ll get a couple in the morning when I come to fill up again the other truck after doing the 2nd part of my run

Went to the same services on the way to the yard, 6 am - sign at door ‘‘NO MASK - NO ENTRY’’, a-hah! This time I have my wallet so I’m good, I’m going to walk in and immediately buy 2 masks and put one on. Loudspeaker: ‘‘Have you got a mask, mate? Put on a mask before you go in’’. 180, back to truck, back to the yard, debrief - couldn’t fill up because so and so, TM just waved me off ‘‘Oh there’s going to be a lot of that today’’. Happy days :slight_smile:

Yeah right, Could easily have used the night pay facilities,. But that wouldn’t have made a good story. A job in journalism awaiting you you,

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biggriffin:
Yeah right, Could easily have used the night pay facilities,. But that wouldn’t have made a good story. A job in journalism awaiting you you,

They have a night pay slit but they never use it as they want you to go inside hoping you’re going to buy their overpriced crap,Shame as it was only recently I wrote a praising post about them,

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Franglais:

Conor:

robroy:
My 80 yr old Auntie who has a dodgy lung has been stuck in the house since March, she has seen the new mask rule and rang me the other day to say she might go out for a walk to the shop, as she felt a bit safer all the other shoppers wearing masks, along with herself.

Only problem with that is that they’re only required to wear them in the shop, not walking around. If she’s thinking that everyone going to the shops will be walking to the shops wearing masks she’s going to be very disappointed.

Walking around in the open air, a metre or more from others, is different to shopping, coughing and sputtering over the fruit and veg, or the shopping trollies.
And yes, I think you’re right: RR’s auntie will disappointed at the selfish attitude of so many.

I cannot reconcile the support for face masks with what I have seen on the streets and supermarkets.

If support is so high why do the non mask wearers outnumber the mask wearers 10 to 1. If concern was so high why wouldn’t those who support it be wearing them for the last 4 months?

Why is everyone suddenly an advocate and calling anyone against wearing masks selfish?

shutting a country down and collapsing the economy for a virus with a very low IFR is far more selfish and dangerous than this virus ever has been.

Thankfully I managed to do a big shop yesterday in a Tesco with no mask, no one way system, no 1 in 1 out etc. If I tried that today I’d contract/spread covid before i’d reached the dairy aisle no doubt.

I’d actually love to see the stats showing how many shop workers contracted Covid. Judging by my local stores and seeing the same faces every few days there hasn’t been any increase in transmission amongst them and they’re on the frontline!

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I’ll be wearing a mask. I have to if I want my life to have any semblance of normality, but I’ll be doing it with a heavy heart and under protest. I can’t help feeling that this whole thing has gone from disease prevention to people control and I have a mental image of some Doctor Evil type character sat in his mountaintop lair saying “watch what I can make the plebs do now!”

If masks were even any part of the solution we’d have been wearing them since day one of the plague. Don’t give me that ■■■■■■■■ about how the science has changed, because it hasn’t! Any primary school child knows to cover their mouth when coughing or sneezing so I’m assuming that the greatest medical minds in the world may just have a clue as to why that is? Yet only today it’s been decided that we must conform mask wise to defeat Covid?

Control control control.

I swear that there are many people (lots on here too) who would defend a government fitting every household with “Covid cameras” sold on the lie that they are for our safety and are merely there so “they” can spot when someone is doing something likely to spread disease and then gently assist them in re education. The same people would defend it with “but, but, but it’s for your own safety” or “if you’re complying you have nothing to fear”.

Control, control, control.

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maga:

Franglais:

Conor:

robroy:
My 80 yr old Auntie who has a dodgy lung has been stuck in the house since March, she has seen the new mask rule and rang me the other day to say she might go out for a walk to the shop, as she felt a bit safer all the other shoppers wearing masks, along with herself.

Only problem with that is that they’re only required to wear them in the shop, not walking around. If she’s thinking that everyone going to the shops will be walking to the shops wearing masks she’s going to be very disappointed.

Walking around in the open air, a metre or more from others, is different to shopping, coughing and sputtering over the fruit and veg, or the shopping trollies.
And yes, I think you’re right: RR’s auntie will disappointed at the selfish attitude of so many.

I cannot reconcile the support for face masks with what I have seen on the streets and supermarkets.

If support is so high why do the non mask wearers outnumber the mask wearers 10 to 1. If concern was so high why wouldn’t those who support it be wearing them for the last 4 months?

Why is everyone suddenly an advocate and calling anyone against wearing masks selfish?

shutting a country down and collapsing the economy for a virus with a very low IFR is far more selfish and dangerous than this virus ever has been.

Thankfully I managed to do a big shop yesterday in a Tesco with no mask, no one way system, no 1 in 1 out etc. If I tried that today I’d contract/spread covid before i’d reached the dairy aisle no doubt.

I’d actually love to see the stats showing how many shop workers contracted Covid. Judging by my local stores and seeing the same faces every few days there hasn’t been any increase in transmission amongst them and they’re on the frontline!

What is the IFR for C19 please?

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Franglais:
What is the IFR for C19 please?

between 0.5%-1.5% depending on country.

Miniscule.

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Wearing a mask isn’t about self protection. It is about stopping transmission of the virus by those who have it, but show no symptoms.
Wearing a mask in an open street does next to nothing. Wearing one in a shop stops you breathing over those who may be much closer than outside. It stops you breathing over surfaces and goods.
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It is selfish not to, IMHO, because it is a small inconvenience for us, but may save the spread of the disease to others.
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It isn’t a disease that has no effect other than death.
Some are unaffected.
Some die.
Some are off work for weeks.
Some are still recovering even months later.
All the above cost money. Bad backs and the common cold cost millions. So does this virus.
Ignoring it won’t mean we can get back to normal. The best for the economy is to treat it as a risk and manage it.
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Getting all twisted about the hardship of wearing a mask is beyond me.

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Conor:

switchlogic:
No maybe not but then at least they aren’t snowflakes like you ladies. :wink:

The snowflakes are the ones wanting everyone to wear a bit of cloth over their faces. You can tell it’s only just for show by the fact you’re allowed to make your own from any material you choose.

Nice try but no, you lads are the ones who get upset over everything . Most mask wearers just get on with it, snowflake :wink:

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the maoster:
I’ll be wearing a mask. I have to if I want my life to have any semblance of normality, but I’ll be doing it with a heavy heart and under protest. I can’t help feeling that this whole thing has gone from disease prevention to people control and I have a mental image of some Doctor Evil type character sat in his mountaintop lair saying “watch what I can make the plebs do now!”

If masks were even any part of the solution we’d have been wearing them since day one of the plague. Don’t give me that ■■■■■■■■ about how the science has changed, because it hasn’t! Any primary school child knows to cover their mouth when coughing or sneezing so I’m assuming that the greatest medical minds in the world may just have a clue as to why that is? Yet only today it’s been decided that we must conform mask wise to defeat Covid?

Control control control.

I swear that there are many people (lots on here too) who would defend a government fitting every household with “Covid cameras” sold on the lie that they are for our safety and are merely there so “they” can spot when someone is doing something likely to spread disease and then gently assist them in re education. The same people would defend it with “but, but, but it’s for your own safety” or “if you’re complying you have nothing to fear”.

Control, control, control.

I know exactly what you are saying Maost,.and I’d usually be the first to agree with you.
You know me, and know I ain’t the first to jump into line with any bullcrap dished out by any authority, but I’ve got an open mind on all this.
We’ve spoke about this and I’ve admitted that those weeks I was off furloughed, watching all the crap on Sky news (constantly :unamused: ) it did get to me, and made me think of the seriousness of all this…whether or not it’s as bad as they say, who knows. :bulb:

When I got back to work, I did just go back into ‘normal times’ mode more or less right away, and changed my view a bit, you can’t really help it.
Many a time since I’ve been stood in groups, and I’ve been in pubs, but it has always been in the back of my mind to be aware and just a little bit careful, to be on the safe side …my own local has been named as a Covid hot spot ffs, so I’m thinking why take the chance just so I can gob off on TN being the hero saying ‘‘It ain’t gonna stop me’’. :unamused: , so I’ve gone elsewhere until the pub sorts it’s self out.

Way I see it is no matter how much of a drop in the ocean in terms of prevention it may (or may not) be, IF it DOES help, I’ll go along with it…not a problem., as I said, it does make people who are frightened just that little bit more confident…and I do get the ‘Control’ thing you mention btw. :bulb:

Relating to my Auntie, I’d rather she was stood in a shop beside somebody in a mask, than beside Billy Bigbollocks saying '‘■■■■ ed if I’m complying’…way I see it if it stops a handful of people (my Auntie and my parents for instance) picking this sh up, it will be worth it.