weeto:
Had this problem on agency quite a few years ago doing work for frieghtliner, we always got extra if you went in there with ADR licence, then one week they decided they weren’t paying extra anymore, my response was that’s fine, I will leave it at home in future! Nothing was said about that! And still carried on with them doing normal loads.
That’s what I’m intending to do. If there’s a non ADR trunk going at our place, I’ll just ask for that. If not, I’ll leave.
Sidevalve:
As it stands, you have some leverage with your employer for them to pay for the renewal when it expires. If you take the hump and refuse to use it, they could (with some justification) be reluctant to fork out for it.My advice;don’t cut off your nose to spite your face, keep doing as you do now and ensure they pay up to renew the ADR.
But that’s my point: I don’t want the thing if there’s no extra money in it. If I can earn exactly the same salary without it, why would I want it? If a few more ADR drivers took this attitude, there might be a bit more money in it sooner or later!
I believe you should get extra for it, in packages as you could have a right horrible mixture of chemicals on there that if you had an accident would deadly especially the oxidising ones the combust when exposed to air. As for tanks well most of them do get paid extra for it as obviously you need to be trained to discharge them.
If i was working somewhere and to trunk runs came up leaving and going to the same place i reckon it’s only fair that the ADR one should get £1 an hour more.
I also think an extra qualification merits more money, but its not always forthcoming is it. The more qualifications a driver has, the more employable he becomes, and so is a distinct advantage, so tell the boss your not going to use your ADR anymore, and you will be out of the yard quicker than you can say ADR, because you will then be of no use. When you took the job, i bet they asked if you have ADR, and you jumped in the air and said, YES boss…so there you go then.
When i was on tanks, it was food stuffs, but my boss was being offered more and more Hazchem work, and at a higher rate, now to me tanks are tanks, they both discharge in the same way, Vent, pipe, valve let her go…and sometimes need a blower, or even air. But being a good boss, sent us on a training course, got all the correct PPA, registered a DGSA, done everything, and so we started to do ADR work, we never expected a pay rise, or higher money whenever we carried Haz…it was expected, and as usual, some days were food, others haz, but we just got on and done it, and he rewarded us in different ways. I have heard some Bollox in this industry, even some saying they deserved more money cos they were international qualified, so join the ranks of the Ministry of silly talk, and maybe one day we will meet in a RDC somewhere. 
truckyboy:
I also think an extra qualification merits more money, but its not always forthcoming is it. The more qualifications a driver has, the more employable he becomes, and so is a distinct advantage, so tell the boss your not going to use your ADR anymore, and you will be out of the yard quicker than you can say ADR, because you will then be of no use. When you took the job, i bet they asked if you have ADR, and you jumped in the air and said, YES boss…so there you go then.
When i was on tanks, it was food stuffs, but my boss was being offered more and more Hazchem work, and at a higher rate, now to me tanks are tanks, they both discharge in the same way, Vent, pipe, valve let her go…and sometimes need a blower, or even air. But being a good boss, sent us on a training course, got all the correct PPA, registered a DGSA, done everything, and so we started to do ADR work, we never expected a pay rise, or higher money whenever we carried Haz…it was expected, and as usual, some days were food, others haz, but we just got on and done it, and he rewarded us in different ways. I have heard some Bollox in this industry, even some saying they deserved more money cos they were international qualified, so join the ranks of the Ministry of silly talk, and maybe one day we will meet in a RDC somewhere.
Is there just an international qualification
truckyboy:
I also think an extra qualification merits more money, but its not always forthcoming is it. The more qualifications a driver has, the more employable he becomes, and so is a distinct advantage, so tell the boss your not going to use your ADR anymore, and you will be out of the yard quicker than you can say ADR, because you will then be of no use. When you took the job, i bet they asked if you have ADR, and you jumped in the air and said, YES boss…so there you go then.
When i was on tanks, it was food stuffs, but my boss was being offered more and more Hazchem work, and at a higher rate, now to me tanks are tanks, they both discharge in the same way, Vent, pipe, valve let her go…and sometimes need a blower, or even air. But being a good boss, sent us on a training course, got all the correct PPA, registered a DGSA, done everything, and so we started to do ADR work, we never expected a pay rise, or higher money whenever we carried Haz…it was expected, and as usual, some days were food, others haz, but we just got on and done it, and he rewarded us in different ways. I have heard some Bollox in this industry, even some saying they deserved more money cos they were international qualified, so join the ranks of the Ministry of silly talk, and maybe one day we will meet in a RDC somewhere.
Done tanks myself and still do tanks like you only foodstuffs and yes most of the time they do discharge in a similar way, but the products definetly require a lot more care.
Absolutely, especially when their sloshing around with no baffles, great when pulling away on a steep hill, or braking on the downward…lol the point i was trying to make was the fact that if you go for a job involving tanks, and you have an ADR, then if the jobs good, the monies good, all the conditions met your requirement, then what s the problem. This guy is working in a company, that does a bit of each, they have taken on a new driver, without ADR, and cos shes on the same money, wants to tell the boss he doesnt want to use his ADR anymore, or if it runs out, hes not renewing it.
I wonder what will happen if, when it comes to that time, the boss tells him, As from monday, your booked in for a ADR course ) at our expense whats the driver gonna do then…walk.
I worked for a company who did International work, i was one of the drivers, and we also had drivers who never went abroad, but would tip and load the trailers, but we were all on the same money, which was right, cos we are all class 1, only difference was, nights out abroad was £25, whereas in the UK it was £20, but when parked up one day, with a crowd, one driver said he should be paid more for his International Exp, and a few agreed, i couldnt stop laughing.
truckyboy:
Absolutely, especially when their sloshing around with no baffles, great when pulling away on a steep hill, or braking on the downward…lol the point i was trying to make was the fact that if you go for a job involving tanks, and you have an ADR, then if the jobs good, the monies good, all the conditions met your requirement, then what s the problem. This guy is working in a company, that does a bit of each, they have taken on a new driver, without ADR, and cos shes on the same money, wants to tell the boss he doesnt want to use his ADR anymore, or if it runs out, hes not renewing it.
I wonder what will happen if, when it comes to that time, the boss tells him,As from monday, your booked in for a ADR course ) at our expensewhats the driver gonna do then…walk.I worked for a company who did International work, i was one of the drivers, and we also had drivers who never went abroad, but would tip and load the trailers, but we were all on the same money, which was right, cos we are all class 1, only difference was, nights out abroad was £25, whereas in the UK it was £20, but when parked up one day, with a crowd, one driver said he should be paid more for his International Exp, and a few agreed, i couldnt stop laughing.
Fair enough. Suppose if they pay for adr when its due for renewal saves him some cash especially if they do the tank one. Was going to pay for it myself instead of to get 21hours cpc but the cost and chances of adr tanker work was slim so stumped up for cpc instead.
Never forget my first time out in a liquid tank, straight barreled with half baffle after 5 minutes some ■■■■ pulled out on me and i had to jam the brakes on, my arse went then.
As I said, I’m happy enough to use my ADR (self funded) at the moment, because I signed a contract saying I would do so for x amount of money, and that’s what I’ll do. But when it runs out, if they pay for me to renew my ticket, it’ll commit me to work for them for another two years (unless I pay the cost of it back, that is). I don’t think the extra committment is worth it, not if there’s no extra money on offer for the extra responsibility. They’re talking about putting the new driver through her ADR … that’s fine by me, I’ll do what she’s doing now - the non ADR trunk - and she can have my job.
It’s the principle, more than anything … you can lay pretty good odds that the company charges the customer extra to carry hazardous freight, and you can guess at the response of the company if the customer said “well, the pallet takes up just the same space … why should I pay extra?” By the same logic, why should I take on the extra risks and responsibilities for absolutely no gain to me whatever? If you apply the same logic to, say, someone with a C licence whose company pays to put him through the C+E licence, would you expect them to drive artics for no extra cash?
Chances are the haulier is charging the clients extra for the ADR work compared to normal load rates. After all, customers expect to pay extra for specialist work so, as the driver accepts the extra responsibility, they should be rewarded for this to…
Meistre:
Chances are the haulier is charging the clients extra for the ADR work compared to normal load rates. After all, customers expect to pay extra for specialist work so, as the driver accepts the extra responsibility, they should be rewarded for this to…
That’s just it. To be honest, I probably won’t get anywhere with this, because (as usual) everyone else at the company is happy to whinge about it, but won’t actually say anything to anyone who could do something about it. But I will be making my feelings known … let’s see if it gets me anywhere.
I can understand you logical thinking though, and its really down to the industry. For example, a driver starts off with a class 2 licence, after a while he is told about a job where his mate works, so from his own pocket he pays for the lessons, and a test, and off he goes to the new job. So then that company decides to upgrade its fleet, or to be offered work with trailers, but wont pay for drivers training, prefers to offer work to those alreadyb with a licence ( cant blame them for that, theyre quids in ) so said driver, decided to pay yet again, has lessons, takes a test, then asks the boss if he can upgrade to become an artic driver, the money hes paid out is paying him rewards, because the rate for the job is higher, it always did pay more between the groups of licences, but not i add a great difference,so now guess what happens, that driver pays for ADR, Moffatt ,Lorry mounted Crane, licences, to make him more attractive in the workforce or comopany, he will never be out of work, because of his experiences, but thats about all, companies that use the expertise, rarely do training themselves, they prefer to pay that little bit more, and attract the drivers with the relevant qualifications. I believe that for every qualification, should be a reward, but life isnt like that, an employee gets the training for whatever job he fancies, and then applies with the right qualification, so its no different with truckers, a driver will only apply for the qualifications he has gained, so a driver with ADR, will use it to his benefit, whether he paid or the company, every company wants experienced drivers, and that doesnt always mean a qualification, if your experienced in International work, or low loaders, or timber or tankers or whatever, that scores you points with an employer, and if a company advertises for drivers, and then adds…with ADR, or this or that experience, then only drivers with that exp will apply. We all know that sometimes that experience should mean more money, but unfortunately is doesnt, just like not all companies will pay for the DCPC, but although compulsory, and will become part of law, not one employer, has been told You have to pay for your employee and as we all know, not every one does , some drivers are left out on a limb, pay it, or you cant work, and thats not fair, but neither is the contempt they hold us in.
Took ADR, LMFLT (Moffet) and LMC (Hiab), all paid for by the firm. I never received any more money but reckoned that the “extras” on my c.v. would help me if I ever needed another job.
Rhythm Thief:
Meistre:
Chances are the haulier is charging the clients extra for the ADR work compared to normal load rates. After all, customers expect to pay extra for specialist work so, as the driver accepts the extra responsibility, they should be rewarded for this to…That’s just it. To be honest, I probably won’t get anywhere with this, because (as usual) everyone else at the company is happy to whinge about it, but won’t actually say anything to anyone who could do something about it. But I will be making my feelings known … let’s see if it gets me anywhere.
I stood my ground with the firm you work for. The Thetford ADR trunkers were getting paid less than the rest of the ADR drivers. This had been going on for 10 years or so. I asked the question why we were not on the same rate as the rest of the company. Response was it was an oversight, really for the last 10 years. We got our pay increased, not a great deal for me as i had only been there a few months, but for the likes of certain Thetford trunkers who had been there for 10+ years, this amounted to a few thousand pounds. They never challenged it. They would still be on the old rate if it wasn’t for someone saying something to management. I cannot believe that the pay section did not notice the difference in pay rates. Nothing will change without a few making a stand, best of luck.
Just a point, i had full ADR, tanks and packages, funded by myself. I think the firm will only fund you a package ADR.
ajs68:
I stood my ground with the firm you work for. The Thetford ADR trunkers were getting paid less than the rest of the ADR drivers. This had been going on for 10 years or so. I asked the question why we were not on the same rate as the rest of the company. Response was it was an oversight, really for the last 10 years. We got our pay increased, not a great deal for me as i had only been there a few months, but for the likes of certain Thetford trunkers who had been there for 10+ years, this amounted to a few thousand pounds. They never challenged it. They would still be on the old rate if it wasn’t for someone saying something to management. I cannot believe that the pay section did not notice the difference in pay rates. Nothing will change without a few making a stand, best of luck.
Just a point, i had full ADR, tanks and packages, funded by myself. I think the firm will only fund you a package ADR.
That’s good to know, I’ll be speaking to the gaffer on Monday and will mention it then. When my ADR is up for renewal I’ll be asking if I can maintain my tanker ticket, even if I have to chip in for it myself. Don’t suppose your current firm have any vacancies over here do they?
Extra skills/qualifications = extra pay. No pay, no do. Simples.
DrivingMissDaisy:
Extra skills/qualifications = extra pay. No pay, no do. Simples.
Wish I was in the same world as you!
DrivingMissDaisy:
Extra skills/qualifications = extra pay. No pay, no do. Simples.
+1
Retired Old ■■■■:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Extra skills/qualifications = extra pay. No pay, no do. Simples.Wish I was in the same world as you!
Well, you can be … if everyone stood up and said “hang on a minute … I want extra money or I’m not doing ADR / HIAB / Moffet work”, there would soon be some extra money in it. And everyone’s got the choice to walk away from it if they don’t like it.
Rhythm Thief:
ajs68:
I stood my ground with the firm you work for. The Thetford ADR trunkers were getting paid less than the rest of the ADR drivers. This had been going on for 10 years or so. I asked the question why we were not on the same rate as the rest of the company. Response was it was an oversight, really for the last 10 years. We got our pay increased, not a great deal for me as i had only been there a few months, but for the likes of certain Thetford trunkers who had been there for 10+ years, this amounted to a few thousand pounds. They never challenged it. They would still be on the old rate if it wasn’t for someone saying something to management. I cannot believe that the pay section did not notice the difference in pay rates. Nothing will change without a few making a stand, best of luck.
Just a point, i had full ADR, tanks and packages, funded by myself. I think the firm will only fund you a package ADR.That’s good to know, I’ll be speaking to the gaffer on Monday and will mention it then. When my ADR is up for renewal I’ll be asking if I can maintain my tanker ticket, even if I have to chip in for it myself. Don’t suppose your current firm have any vacancies over here do they?
They are still looking for drivers actually. They have taken one more at Wissington and a couple at Northampton. Suttons website has details, bit far away for you 