Norbert being investigated by French

French authorities have raided four Norbert Dentressangle (ND) premises in the east and south-east of the country.

The raids are part of an investigation initiated by border police and are focused on suspected illicit working practices involving Romanian truck drivers.

The French transport and logistics giant said investigation teams had focused their attentions on “examining the conditions of our recourse to European sub- contractors.”

The staff targeted by the inspections had co-operated fully with the investigators, ND added.

An ND labour union official said the searches appeared to have targeted areas of the group’s premises where drivers from Poland and Romania were based.

Speaking under anonymity on French radio station, Europe 1, a member of the French border police claimed that following its acquistion of a Romanian haulage firm in 2007, ND began transfering two-thirds of its 300 drivers to work in France.

This practice, whch marked the beginning of the investigation into ND’s activities, was uncovered in May 2010 when border police stopped a minibus crossing from Italy carrying drivers to France, he said.

“The drivers were brought to France to work for period of four to five weeks, based at ND’s depot in Motte-Servolex, near Chambéry. They were given trucks to drive which were stationed in France but registered in Romania. Under the pretext they were carrying out international transport operations, they were working for ND exclusively in France.”

The official claimed that ND had acted illegally in not declaring these workers while it had also broken French labour legislation as the drivers were allegedly only paid €1.44 net per hour for a 56- hour week when the minimum legal rate for a French driver was around €10 net per hour for a maximum working week of 48 hours, he underlined.

The head of ND’s Transport division, Hervé Montjotin, dismissed the claims:

“We have scrupulous respect for national and European transport legislation and our standards on safety, staff training and the quality of our trucks, trailers and equipment, is the same everywhere.”

The Romanian and Polish drivers employed by ND work on international routes in full conformity with the law, Montjotin emphasised.

Staff unions had repeatedly denounced ND’s use of ’low-cost’ drivers from eastern Europe working for the group in France and had written to the French president to raise the issue, a the union official said.

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Tip of the iceberg. But the French don’t ■■■■ about. They’ll ALL be hoofed out. Wish our lot had the ■■■■■■■■ to do it. :unamused:

Good!
Some of these big companies think they can do what they like with how they like,like bigvern says,good on the French government for taking action,just wish our’s had the balls to sort this country out in the same way instead of being the soft touch we are.

Its a shame we don’t have a better minimum rate as well, the french have minimum Euro10 an hour net

skids:
Its a shame we don’t have a better minimum rate as well, the french have minimum Euro10 an hour net

They stick together.

Our lads seemingly prefer to have a crap wage and work all hours the good Lord sends, fiddling POA, to make a weeks wages out of 2 weeks worth of hours.

Well done to the French border authorities. It may suit the short-term interests of ND directors but in the longer term, what good will it do for France when indigenous people earning a reasonable, though not fantastic, wage are replaced with eastern Europeans earning €1.44 an hour?

I know Carryfast gets pilloried on here for his views but he really does seem to be one of the few people who understand “Fordism”, the economic theology of Henry Ford who understood that if you only pay your assembly line workers a subsistence wage, then they won’t be going out and buying a Ford car.

This whole issue of hauliers taking advantage of wage arbitrage needs to be addressed, and now.

Agree with you there Harry, its a vicious circle that needs breaking. People want goods cheaper as they have less money to spend as a consequence, wages get lower to make goods cheaper so then…

my old man did 6 years on there in the santes depot, got a phone call one friday to return to the depot empty, was then told that he was being made redundant,
they replaced all the english and french drivers with our flip flop brothers from poland.

i was talking to english sitra driver and he was saying that sitra now wants rid of there english drivers as they are alot more exspensive to employ compared to a russian or a pole .
sitra have now opened a depot in poland & Lithuania as well as there depot in russia

We can all batter poor Patrick next time he’s over doing a video then! :unamused:

youtu.be/GTab9EB2uWU

patrick is a really nice bloke has been on there years.
he was on there when i worked there about 15 years ago

It always makes me laugh how these “Giant” firms are the ones who bleat “We can’t afford to pay Minimum wages” the loudest!

It’s not as if ND is like Petroplus now is it?

Chances are, this is some kind of POA fiddle.

Their contract probably says “Sure, they get E10ph but only when the wheels are moving.”
Whilst on POA, Parked on a bay, loading/unloading, on training, gone for a ■■■■, and just about anything else that involves putting the handbrake on - that’s where your net E1.44ph comes from when averaged over the 56 hours you are actually spending at work. :angry:

Everyone over here working 84+ hours for 48 hours @ £6.18 is subject to our equivalent fiddle. :imp:

Some firms even advertise the job with “FREE training” meaning that it is free for them! You are booked off being hourly paid during any time you are not directly performing a solo run, and on the road. :frowning:

gazza1970:
patrick is a really nice bloke has been on there years.
he was on there when i worked there about 15 years ago

That’s my point. It’s not HIS fault.

No doubt ND are doing the same here! They have been getting a lot of contracts lately! :unamused:

How can you win a contract by doing a damned illegal thing?

I was informed yesterday that apparently UK taxes get paid to France, because they are lower in france. WTF■■?

Can you kidnap someone, export them to Somalia and kill them there, thus avoiding a Murder charge as a point of that pesky common law then? :angry:

Good on the French, the first to make a claim in this current climate. Trans alliance should be next .

Spain has 25% unemployed well kick out the foreigners working for Spanish companies then set about getting your nationals back into work, that will sort out your economy.

If only we had the bottle to do it here starting with freshlinc among others.

jessicas dad:
Good on the French, the first to make a claim in this current climate. Trans alliance should be next .

Spain has 25% unemployed well kick out the foreigners working for Spanish companies then set about getting your nationals back into work, that will sort out your economy.

If only we had the bottle to do it here starting with freshlinc among others.

Transalliance will be next, the Hungarians are sound, it is the Romanians that are the cheap labour!

bigvern1:
We can all batter poor Patrick next time he’s over doing a video then! :unamused:

There’s no comparison because he will be on the same wages as the other drivers and not one-sixth of their wages.

I don’t blame the drivers. They are just trying to do the best for themselves and their families as they can, as we all do.

Blame the game, not the players. The rules of the game need to be changed, unless we just want to store up problems for the next generation.

It beats me how so many drivers on the Shuttle will spend 30 minutes slagging off eastern Europeans, and then the next ten minutes saying how wonderful “Maggie” was, without being able to make the connection between the two statements. :wink:

Change the title to Stobart and see how long this thread lasts :open_mouth:

Any evidence about this, or is it just ferry talk :question:

newmercman:
Change the title to Stobart and see how long this thread lasts :open_mouth:

Any evidence about this, or is it just ferry talk :question:

analytiqa.com/newsitem.aspx?articleid=11463

Mike-C:

newmercman:
Change the title to Stobart and see how long this thread lasts :open_mouth:

Any evidence about this, or is it just ferry talk :question:

analytiqa.com/newsitem.aspx?articleid=11463

:laughing: :laughing: