Safety and health come 1st, 2nd and every number that follows so ■■■■ the value of the load or some stupid schedule. If the load is so valuable or dangerous then it is up to the company to make contingency arrangements for a driver possibly needing to stop.
We used to trunk and deliver high value goods to high streets all around the country. We used boxvans and the vehicles had an alarm. Drivers were expected to use common sense.
Look for a code to rest/pee/coffee■■?
WTF is that all about? 
Hard to believe ye once ruled the planet.
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I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.
You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.
Personally I find night trunking complete crap unless you get a good run. Or work at a place where there is a lot of waiting so there is not much time lost.
adam277:
I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.
.
And they still get drivers to work for them? 
They must pay bloody good wages that’s all I can say. 
Where does the famous Health and SAFETY come in to this exactly?
adam277:
I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.Personally I find night trunking complete crap unless you get a good run. Or work at a place where there is a lot of waiting so there is not much time lost.
The problem with these parcel boys is they track you and if you stop they want to know why and if you say I was tired and needed a quick nap there answer is you should be rested to drive what have you been doing all day you should be asleep so we have your full attention at night,
It’s all very well them saying that, but in the real world, I mean, I used to work nights, sometimes it’s hard to sleep in the day, my neighbour was doing building work in the day, or people might knock the door and disturb me, I managed but there was always that time when I didn’t get enough sleep, so when I’m on the road, a 15 minute nap and a strong coffee, that would be enough to get back to base without feeling tired
beerbottles:
The rule at our place is phone security & ask !! So this subby ( in a van ) on route to Glasgow phones up and is told " no you know the rules no stopping " So this poor guy gets to Glasgow sitting in a puddle of ■■■■ . Now if i have to stop i phone & tell them i do not ask & i have never heard a thing . These SOPs do not over rule Tacho rules or comfort breaks no matter what they tell you !!!
I would of told him to get ■■■■■■ !!
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robroy:
Where does the famous Health and SAFETY come in to this exactly?
Its on a “when it suits” type basis. The same companies who insist on no stopping are the same ones who want 20 minutes for checks and have tick sheets for confirmation youve had the legal amount of rest before driving for them.
I find it staggering that not only are there companies out there who insist on no stopping but that they actually have drivers who do it.
IMO, the office staff can wander away from their desk for 10 to 15 minutes to smoke, make a brew or get some air so they can ■■■■ right off if they think Im not going to do the same if I want.
robthedog:
adam277:
I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.Personally I find night trunking complete crap unless you get a good run. Or work at a place where there is a lot of waiting so there is not much time lost.
The problem with these parcel boys is they track you and if you stop they want to know why and if you say I was tired and needed a quick nap there answer is you should be rested to drive what have you been doing all day you should be asleep so we have your full attention at night,
Seriously??
It’s got the far end of ■■■■ all to do with them ‘what you’ve been doing all day’ it’s your own time.
I really can’t believe drivers put up with this ■■■■ (or maybe I can on reflection )
Another example of something that should have been nipped in the bud from Day 1.
I’m pleased I just do tramping. 
…I really could not be arsed with all that ‘total control’ crap.
Seems like trucking is getting to be like the checkout girls at some supermarkets who have to clock off when needing the loo etc and aren’t paid during that time. Driverless trucks should certainly suit these companies. Having said that, back in the nineties I was running back empty with a driver employed by a large construction/quarrying company and we stopped mid afternoon for an ice cream as we were finished for the day and it was very warm. His TM came past and told him that as it wasn’t an ‘official break’ he would be stopped some pay, so it isn’t exactly a new thing?
Pete.
Clock off to go for a wazz - that’s wrong on every level and is it even legal, H & S and all that.
I don’t get this can’t stop crap. I carry secure aircargo and i can and do stop where ever and when ever i want. As long as my load compartment is secure the company are happy, at the end of the day if someone wants to pull a plastic seal off or ■■■■■ my curtain i ain’t going to get out and stop them.
robroy:
robthedog:
adam277:
I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.Personally I find night trunking complete crap unless you get a good run. Or work at a place where there is a lot of waiting so there is not much time lost.
The problem with these parcel boys is they track you and if you stop they want to know why and if you say I was tired and needed a quick nap there answer is you should be rested to drive what have you been doing all day you should be asleep so we have your full attention at night,
Seriously??
It’s got the far end of [zb] all to do with them ‘what you’ve been doing all day’ it’s your own time.
I really can’t believe drivers put up with this [zb] (or maybe I can on reflection
Another example of something that should have been nipped in the bud from Day 1.
I’m pleased I just do tramping.
It’s not all bad.
If you get a good night trunk run you can be back early most days.
But the good runs usually are closely kept between the old guard.
If your a new driver your gonna get stiffed.
E.g. my first night trunk was Essex to Liverpool and back double Manning with a Romanian.
While another guy had Essex to Northampton with like 3 hours waiting at Northampton for the guys to load his trailer.
adam277:
robroy:
robthedog:
adam277:
I’ve worked for tuffnells and dx freight night trunking.
I know tnt, DPD and the pallet network trunking is all the same.You do not stop.
Yes you can stop but most guys stop on the hard shoulder for a ■■■■■.
You can get away a few times getting a quick coffee at a MSA.
But if you make it a daily part of your routine they will clock on to it.Personally I find night trunking complete crap unless you get a good run. Or work at a place where there is a lot of waiting so there is not much time lost.
The problem with these parcel boys is they track you and if you stop they want to know why and if you say I was tired and needed a quick nap there answer is you should be rested to drive what have you been doing all day you should be asleep so we have your full attention at night,
Seriously??
It’s got the far end of [zb] all to do with them ‘what you’ve been doing all day’ it’s your own time.
I really can’t believe drivers put up with this [zb] (or maybe I can on reflection
Another example of something that should have been nipped in the bud from Day 1.
I’m pleased I just do tramping.It’s not all bad.
If you get a good night trunk run you can be back early most days.
But the good runs usually are closely kept between the old guard.
If your a new driver your gonna get stiffed.E.g. my first night trunk was Essex to Liverpool and back double Manning with a Romanian.
While another guy had Essex to Northampton with like 3 hours waiting at Northampton for the guys to load his trailer.
‘‘Not all bad’’? …Not all bad…Yeh?
Back early or not, it’s what you have to do before you get back that would get to me.
Being monitored and controlled (literally) constantly by some young spotty ■■■■ in an office, (who more than likely knows the far end of Jack ■■■■ about transport in reality) … and having to answer to him and explain when you need to stop for a ■■■■? …,.and to put the cap on it having to share a cab with some stranger with whatever personal hygiene issues and habits he may or may not have, then go on to enduring the maintaining of polite conversation with him for God knows how many hours (after 10 mins I get bored with that btw)
AND then…riding passenger and/or trying to sleep, when he could be the worlds most crappest dangerous driver, hence risking your neck, life or walking abilities?
I’d want to ■■■■ kill him or get out of the cab after the first few miles. 
Not a chance in hell or even for a grand a week. …I’d rather have that proverbial pineapple inserted and rammed violently up my arse with a sledgehammer given the choice. (However unlikely that choice would ever be given) 
Robroy, they ain’t all like that, thankfully.
Where i am never once has anyone questioned the why’s or wherefore’s, i’ve taken all sorts of weird and wonderful routes (height isn’t an issue) to get around road closures and delays, no one’s ever said a dickybird, never been asked to hurry the job up or explain anything, so long as the jobs done, customer happy and the motor comes back in one piece.
Its the logistics giants who are into all this micromanaging, but its spread elsewhere as people trained into this ■■■■■■■■ at these places move ono jobs elsewhere, and once they start this slide the admin side increases from 2 bods to 22 with every bugger trying to justify their non jobs.
You’d think by now some bugger at the top of these outfits would be asking why they needed to spend £££££ on monitoring equipment and non productive suits to do exactly the same job we all managed perfectly well when we had to stop at a phone box to contact the one single TM/planner in the office
This is what they all forget, if the suits never turned up for a day a week or a year, no bugger would miss them and the job would carry on just as it always does, if the people who actually work out there failed to appear the job stops instantly, now who’s the most needed?
I don’t think this is a new thing. 20 years ago I knew someone that used to take concept cars / press cars all over Europe and sometimes further afield to be photographed for the brochures/ adverts etc. For all sorts of reasons he wasn’t allowed to stop willy nilly and had to call the office to be directed to a suitable place or rest stops would be pre arranged so he had plenty of time to get to them.
robroy:
Being monitored and controlled (literally) constantly by some young spotty ■■■■ in an office, (who more than likely knows the far end of Jack [zb] about transport in reality) … and having to answer to him and explain when you need to stop
I refuse shifts for the Co-op now for this exact reason. At the “debrief” (even the word irritates me) he questioned why i had stopped for twice on the way to the store (once was because of their own policy of not arriving early!)which annoyed me enough but it was his question of why I had taken 49 minutes for my break instead of only 47 that broke the camels back
The-Snowman:
robroy:
Being monitored and controlled (literally) constantly by some young spotty ■■■■ in an office, (who more than likely knows the far end of Jack [zb] about transport in reality) … and having to answer to him and explain when you need to stopI refuse shifts for the Co-op now for this exact reason. At the “debrief” (even the word irritates me) he questioned why i had stopped for twice on the way to the store (once was because of their own policy of not arriving early!)which annoyed me enough but it was his question of why I had taken 49 minutes for my break instead of only 47 that broke the camels back
The “f” word works well I find.
Mention fatigue and it tends to send shivers down the most compliant companies spines
toonsy:
I solve the issue of load theft by carrying tat that’s not even worthy of being stolen [emoji38]
I do similar but with stuff thats to heavy to lift off.
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