Let’s get some things straight with regards to the rights and wrongs of being a member of the public in this day and age:-
You are NOT scum if you have kids. If you don’t have kids, don’t even envy those that do.
You are NOT scum if you refuse to pay interest. After all, the establishment doesn’t pay those with savings profitable interest any more!
You are NOT scum if you work 48 hours a week instead of 84. Being unsafe, and poor is worse than being safe, and not so poor.
You are NOT scum if you grab everything you are entitled to. You’ve paid into the system for decades have you not?
You ARE scum if you wish harm upon kids.
You ARE scum if you tell people “you must pay me, or kill your wife and kids if you can’t. Interest payments are LAW, and I want my pound of flesh!”
You ARE scum if you run bent, and call those who don’t “scum”.
You ARE scum if you are too proud to get out there and take what’s going, instead of indenturing yourself to some underpaying firm, and then moaning about everyone else’s lifestyle except your own pitiful one.
No, getting out there and grabbing what you’re entitled to means not living off someone else directly, living off savings because you’re too proud to claim, and taking a job that makes a profit to live on, even if it’s not the one you’re most experienced in. Eg. non driving jobs.
If I couldn’t get £10ph driving, I’d get it shelf stacking for example. Luckily though, getting the tenner in these parts isn’t an impssible task - providing you don’t want the proverbial 48 hour weeks every week.
will not pass judgment on anyone here, but where I live you get no benefits at all and I mean zero, which weirdly translates to the fact you very rarely see someone aged about 17 with 2 kids hanging off them, normally people wait until they can afford the children.
I know it isn’t every case obviously, but I think it happens a lot, kids having kids just to get benefits in the UK
A young couple who receive more than £17,000 a year in benefits appeared on ITV’s This Morning to defend their taxpayer-funded lifestyle.
Danny Creamer, 21, and Gina Allan, 18, who live in a comfortable two-bedroom flat in Portsmouth with their four month old daughter, Talulah Rose, say they are better off on £17k benefits and argue that unless they are able to find jobs that pay £18,000 a year or more, there’s no point in working.
thetastytrucker:
A young couple who receive more than £17,000 a year in benefits appeared on ITV’s This Morning to defend their taxpayer-funded lifestyle.
Danny Creamer, 21, and Gina Allan, 18, who live in a comfortable two-bedroom flat in Portsmouth with their four month old daughter, Talulah Rose, say they are better off on £17k benefits and argue that unless they are able to find jobs that pay £18,000 a year or more, there’s no point in working.
Typical Daily Wail rabble rousing, almost half of the amount mentioned is housing benefit which goes not to them but to a landlord. If we had affordable housing in this country then the housing benefit bill could be slashed but of course this would be the last thing the rentier class would want.
Harry Monk:
Daily Wail rabble rousing, almost half of the amount mentioned is housing benefit which goes not to them but to a landlord. If we had affordable housing in this country then the housing benefit bill could be slashed but of course this would be the last thing the rentier class would want.
sorry h ,but it doesnt alter the fact that they are (a lot) better off than some who are working.remember that those working have to earn “almost half” to go to their landlord. they still have to pay their bills. i for one do not earn k17 working. ok its my choice to work for the rate i get (3 yrs ago i was earning triple what i get now as a engineer) but it doesnt make it right that working pays less than staying at home and producing more kids and getting more unearned income. there is something wrong here,but i`m afraid the answer is a long way off
is what i was cracking on about…if this country actually got a grip (not that it ever will) then this wouldn’t be allowed to happen. why should i pay for someone else’s kids ■■? why should i be forced to pay into a system where people are better off not working ■■?
i think that everyone regardless of whether they’ve got kids or not should be forced to take a job even if it’s minimum wage - you make what can out of the opportunities that are created - if that means you gotta go back to school then you go, if that means you gotta do stuff you don’t want to do then you do it.
i fail to see why the OP is complaining…no pay rise for 6 years - rates have been static here for over 10years… looking back through my books in 2003 (yup i don’t throw owt out) i was earning £10p/h and now you’re very lucky if you can get a job that pays more than this - things have changed bigtime so live with it like the rest of us and ffs stop complaining about it…
i think that everyone regardless of whether they’ve got kids or not should be forced to take a job even if it’s minimum wage - you make what can out of the opportunities that are created - if that means you gotta go back to school then you go, if that means you gotta do stuff you don’t want to do then you do it.
there in is the problem, i left school with no grades due to me being a lazy git. went to work on a YTS for two years but kept changing companies again due to me being lazy. YTS was around the £30 a week mark i then went up to around £80 towards the end of my 2 years. why would someone do that now days if they know how to work the system…
i left spraying to join the army and after 12 years came out with city and guilds in fibreoptics and not a chance of a job local. i took the first job i could as a security guard even though i didnt want to do it, i did just to earn. i then got a job working on irish ferries one week 0400-1200 next 1600-midnight your days off were sunday and monday but you was expected to work one day sometimes double shifts all for £6.50 straight through. i hated that job but stuck it for 2 years until i could afford to take my class 2, i left and luckily found work on agencies until a local (ish) small firm took me on taking home £275 a week including 2 nights out. another firm took me on and i done my class 1 with them, left to work for stobarts then got onto tanker work, left to do euro tanker work for 4 years and now im back for the old tanker firm.
add to these me splitting up with the wife and starting over again and ive been struggling for a few years to which im only just getting clear now. would it have been easier just to say sod it and let the state pay for me…more than likely, do i deserve a helping hand after paying taxes all my life…on paper yes, would i take said benefits…no, im able bodied, fit (ish) and above all enjoy working. benefits are there for helping people when they most need it. to some people its a way of life.
point im trying to make is ive sort of knew i wanted to drive all my life (thanks to dad) and tankers too if possible. if the pay was crap i went around to other companies in person on my days off looking for something better the exception being the euro work coz i was enjoying it so i put up with no payrise, until i came to the decision that if i didnt move on i would be struggling for a lot more years. so to the OP if its that bad, get a shirt and tie on and go round the local firms on your days off with your CV., complaining on a internet forum on going to sort your finacial troubles out mate
The UK workers are being shafted by the fatcats in the city, the EU, and our own government.
They open up a poor part of Europe to allow free movement of workers to keep wages down in the wealthier states, But they keep themselves in comfort. If anyone speaks out and says we shouldn’t expand the EU, and we shouldn’t allow free movement of people, They are branded racist and xenophobic.
It’s not those that speak out that are racist and xenophobic, It’s the city fatcats, the EU, and the British government playing at modern day slavery.
If someone is paid just enough to survive, then they’d be just as well off as a slave.
limeyphil:
The UK workers are being shafted by the fatcats in the city, the EU, and our own government.
They open up a poor part of Europe to allow free movement of workers to keep wages down in the wealthier states, But they keep themselves in comfort. If anyone speaks out and says we shouldn’t expand the EU, and we shouldn’t allow free movement of people, They are branded racist and xenophobic.
It’s not those that speak out that are racist and xenophobic, It’s the city fatcats, the EU, and the British government playing at modern day slavery.
If someone is paid just enough to survive, then they’d be just as well off as a slave.
is what i was cracking on about…if this country actually got a grip (not that it ever will) then this wouldn’t be allowed to happen. why should i pay for someone else’s kids ■■? why should i be forced to pay into a system where people are better off not working ■■?
i think that everyone regardless of whether they’ve got kids or not should be forced to take a job even if it’s minimum wage - you make what can out of the opportunities that are created - if that means you gotta go back to school then you go, if that means you gotta do stuff you don’t want to do then you do it.
i fail to see why the OP is complaining…no pay rise for 6 years - rates have been static here for over 10years… looking back through my books in 2003 (yup i don’t throw owt out) i was earning £10p/h and now you’re very lucky if you can get a job that pays more than this - things have changed bigtime so live with it like the rest of us and ffs stop complaining about it…
adjust, adapt and move on and ffs get over it…
Did you ever get over your imaginary Scania??.. Nope!
limeyphil:
The UK workers are being shafted by the fatcats in the city, the EU, and our own government.
They open up a poor part of Europe to allow free movement of workers to keep wages down in the wealthier states, But they keep themselves in comfort. If anyone speaks out and says we shouldn’t expand the EU, and we shouldn’t allow free movement of people, They are branded racist and xenophobic.
It’s not those that speak out that are racist and xenophobic, It’s the city fatcats, the EU, and the British government playing at modern day slavery.
If someone is paid just enough to survive, then they’d be just as well off as a slave.
is what i was cracking on about…if this country actually got a grip (not that it ever will) then this wouldn’t be allowed to happen. why should i pay for someone else’s kids ■■? why should i be forced to pay into a system where people are better off not working ■■?
i think that everyone regardless of whether they’ve got kids or not should be forced to take a job even if it’s minimum wage - you make what can out of the opportunities that are created - if that means you gotta go back to school then you go, if that means you gotta do stuff you don’t want to do then you do it.
If you really want to get rid of all the socialist bs then do it properly.It’s my bet you’re one of those typical Brits who’s all for socialism when it suits you but not when it doesn’t.Yeah right.So why should I have had to pay a load of tax into the system for other people’s kids,other people’s health care and other people’s retirement and council housing which Thatcher then gave to the tenants to flog to make some profit for themselves off other people’s backs who’d bought their own houses while also paying for theirs.
Assuming you want a proper self funded private system in which every one has to look after themselves how the zb will you do it by everyone having to work to the description provided in your second paragraph.Because if you’ve got an economy based on forced labour at minimum wage rates then everyone will have to work for that rate to keep the economy moving.
It’s a bit difficult to see how you’ll afford,private education,private health care and to fund your own retirement working for minimum wage and in an economy that’s subject to competition from a free market economy,that’s subject to imports from cheap labour countries.In which case that minimum wage will have to be reduced to the lowest common denominator within that free market economy.Unless you’re saying that minimum wage is ok for everyone else except you and socialism is ok so long as it’s just you that benefits from it no one else.
So are you saying let’s shut down the whole state education system,state benefits system,and the bs NHS and the state pension system with all contributions handed back to those who’ve paid in so far,and wages increased to match to pay for all that privately,in which case I agree with you,or not .
so i put up with no payrise, until i came to the decision that if i didnt move on i would be struggling for a lot more years. so to the OP if its that bad, get a shirt and tie on and go round the local firms on your days off with your CV., complaining on a internet forum on going to sort your finacial troubles out mate 
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