It seems it is more likely me using the term “■■■■ tin can” is what’s causing most of the fuss here.
That’s my term for sleeping in a cab, something I find is not comfortable mo matter what creature comforts you add, it’s like a bad camping experience full stop in my opinion.
I also would not do a job that requires me to max my hours out everyday 4-5 days a week.
The only people generally that max their hours out and work as many days as they can are agency staff, who all want to earn as much as is humanly possible and all run limited companies usually, that’s is just pure greed and money grabbing attitude in my opinion.
Not everything in life is about money.
Not to mention I have done a lot of jobs and worked all the hours God sends for less money than I earn now.
Unless you are a specialists of sorts like our WRFE most jobs are average jobs and earning in the region of or less than 18-22k a year is the norm for most people or even for some places and people mega money.
Just the way I see it mate.
These day men just make me laugh with the ‘kipping in a tin box’’ analogy, the ‘never washing properly’ one, and all the rest of the ■■■■■■■■ they perceive about us.
I’ve always considered tramping as one of the main things about calling yourself a trucker, obviously others disagree and make us out to be stupid for doing it.
simcor:
I said it is beyond me why drivers want to sleep in a [zb] tin can 4-5 days a week for very little extra money and be away from home so much. I’m not mocking anyone for doing so, I just don’t understand what someone gains by doing so as the reward for staying out is not worth the inconvenience of it.
And yes I have nighted out myself in the past. I never had a good night’s sleep in a truck and never felt refreshed the next day.
Depends really I didn’t have to think too long when I was offered a job where I am now this summer and they asked if I had a passport as my first job was to drive to Budapest. To be fair though we did have 5 days in a hotel before driving back
simcor:
Why anyone wants to sleep 4-5 nights a week in a [zb] little tin can and never be at home is beyond me anyway.
I take it youve never had a decent truck then? As for being away from home, i can never actually get my head around why a truck driver doesnt like being away from home, what really is the big deal with this■■? However do you cope if away on holiday for a fortnight…
simcor:
Why anyone wants to sleep 4-5 nights a week in a [zb] little tin can and never be at home is beyond me anyway.
I take it youve never had a decent truck then? As for being away from home, i can never actually get my head around why a truck driver doesnt like being away from home, what really is the big deal with this■■? However do you cope if away on holiday for a fortnight…
Depends on what you mean by a decent truck?
A decent truck would be ideally a truck you like driving, with all the mod cons you require fitted by the company you work for.
Generally a new truck is better than an old truck.
A flat floor with plenty of locker space etc and headroom etc.
But how many jobs give you a decent wage with a fancy truck with everything you need without you having to pay for any of it out of your own wages?
I would bet the minority rather than the majority are like that and the reason why so many people max their hours out every single week and or tramp every week to make the money worthwhile.
Only been driving just over a year but never had a good nights sleep in an MSA yet, I seem to attract fridges to park next to me Since last christmas I’ve made the effort to find the odd quiet deep lay-by and mainly small industrial estates and keep a note of them, I now tend to get a great nights sleep with very little disturbance. Would only use MSA’s if I was desperate now.
simcor:
Why anyone wants to sleep 4-5 nights a week in a [zb] little tin can and never be at home is beyond me anyway.
I take it youve never had a decent truck then? As for being away from home, i can never actually get my head around why a truck driver doesnt like being away from home, what really is the big deal with this■■? However do you cope if away on holiday for a fortnight…
Depends on what you mean by a decent truck?
A decent truck would be ideally a truck you like driving, with all the mod cons you require fitted by the company you work for.
Generally a new truck is better than an old truck.
A flat floor with plenty of locker space etc and headroom etc.
But how many jobs give you a decent wage with a fancy truck with everything you need without you having to pay for any of it out of your own wages?
I would bet the minority rather than the majority are like that and the reason why so many people max their hours out every single week and or tramp every week to make the money worthwhile.
My two main in cab home comforts fridge and microwave were bought for me to keep by a previous good co I once worked for.
The rest of my stuff, tv/dvd, kettle, percolator, toastie maker etc etc I paid for myself, just as I would have to if I lived in a flat on my own, there are not any firms I know who would pay for this stuff, and tbf why should they.
My truck is fine, maybe not my first choice, but it is new, has high roof, flat floor, cupboard space that you mention.
I no longer max out it is my choice,.I don’t earn a fortune, but who does in this game, I manage fine on my pay.
I don’t tramp to ‘‘make the money worthwhile’’ as I said I look upon it as part of the job.
I have a social life while away, have had many good (and many boring) nights away in the UK and abroad in my time, and do not sit in the cab all night bored ■■■■ less waiting for 11 hours to time out like many do.
Just the way I see it mate.
These day men just make me laugh with the ‘kipping in a tin box’’ analogy, the ‘never washing properly’ one, and all the rest of the ■■■■■■■■ they perceive about us.
I’ve always considered tramping as one of the main things about calling yourself a trucker, obviously others disagree and make us out to be stupid for doing it.
By the way Rob I’m not a day man I work nights. If you want to believe that being a tramper means you are a real trucker then please feel free that is your opinion.
Then we can argue what makes a real MG as well.
Or what makes a real phone ala iPhone or Android.
It is all about having an opinion, everyone has their own opinion on something and is entitled to hold that opinion. and express that opinion, it doesn’t always mean someone is wrong or someone is right, it’s called a difference of opinion.
Just the way I see it mate.
These day men just make me laugh with the ‘kipping in a tin box’’ analogy, the ‘never washing properly’ one, and all the rest of the ■■■■■■■■ they perceive about us.
I’ve always considered tramping as one of the main things about calling yourself a trucker, obviously others disagree and make us out to be stupid for doing it.
By the way Rob I’m not a day man I work nights. If you want to believe that being a tramper means you are a real trucker then please feel free that is your opinion.
Then we can argue what makes a real MG as well.
Or what makes a real phone ala iPhone or Android.
It is all about having an opinion, everyone has their own opinion on something and is entitled to hold that opinion. and express that opinion, it doesn’t always mean someone is wrong or someone is right, it’s called a difference of opinion.
Now you are putting words in my mouth,.I never used the phrase ‘‘real trucker’’ .
Like you I was expressing my opinion, which is nights out are part of the job and part of being ''a trucker"
If you aint doing nights out it’s everybody’s personal choice, pedantic maybe, but I would say more of a delivery driver,…a bit like a postman with a big van.
Ok I’m now taking the ■■■■ sorry!
simcor:
I would night out if required when unforseen circumstances were involved. Which is where I think nighting out belongs.
So do you go ready for a night out with kit to make it comfortable? Or just get “caught out” due to circumstances with no kit in the same clothes the next day and no comforts?
I have only been driving a few weeks and do nights out. I have asked about tramping as as Robroy has said I get more sleep in the truck than at home with the other considerations. I will see how it goes but I haven’t had any issues yet and always carry kit in case. As he says with some planning good food and showers are easy sorted
Just the way I see it mate.
These day men just make me laugh with the ‘kipping in a tin box’’ analogy, the ‘never washing properly’ one, and all the rest of the ■■■■■■■■ they perceive about us.
I’ve always considered tramping as one of the main things about calling yourself a trucker, obviously others disagree and make us out to be stupid for doing it.
By the way Rob I’m not a day man I work nights. If you want to believe that being a tramper means you are a real trucker then please feel free that is your opinion.
Then we can argue what makes a real MG as well.
Or what makes a real phone ala iPhone or Android.
It is all about having an opinion, everyone has their own opinion on something and is entitled to hold that opinion. and express that opinion, it doesn’t always mean someone is wrong or someone is right, it’s called a difference of opinion.
Now you are putting words in my mouth,.I never used the phrase ‘‘real trucker’’ .
Like you I was expressing my opinion, which is nights out are part of the job and part of being ''a trucker"
If you aint doing nights out it’s everybody’s personal choice, pedantic maybe, but I would say more of a delivery driver,…a bit like a postman with a big van.
Ok I’m now taking the ■■■■ sorry!
Yes, I do apologise “real trucker” Rob, I very mistakenly added the word real when you didn’t, my bad for not reading your post entirely correctly. Yes, I’m also taking the ■■■■ now just for clarity.
Personally, I see being a trucker as doing a job you enjoy, driving trucks for a living and trying to get goods from a to b as efficiently and safely as possible within the time it needs to be there ideally.
Getting a wage you feel is fair for the work you do and making a balanced work/home life.
I guess to me being away 4-5 nights a week is not a balanced work.home life to me.
simcor:
I would night out if required when unforseen circumstances were involved. Which is where I think nighting out belongs.
So do you go ready for a night out with kit to make it comfortable? Or just get “caught out” due to circumstances with no kit in the same clothes the next day and no comforts?
I have only been driving a few weeks and do nights out. I have asked about tramping as as Robroy has said I get more sleep in the truck than at home with the other considerations. I will see how it goes but I haven’t had any issues yet and always carry kit in case. As he says with some planning good food and showers are easy sorted
In my current job, no I don’t take night out gear with me, as it is about 99.8% chance I will be home every single day. If I had to have an emergency night out then I would happily rough it for one night if I had to it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
But if I am running out of time on a run I work out my times and allow myself enough time to get back to the yard so I can go home even if that means bringing a load back, I am the driver and I decide what is possible and what isn’t in my daily driving and working times.
So your company wants to pay extra for more chance of having the load nicked?
Difference between a layby/ind est and a services is the layby/ind est costs 0 pounds services cost alot and less chance of having ur fuel or load nicked.
Sign says in most services “vehicle and contents left at owners risk” insurance aint gonna help u in services.
bubsy06:
So your company wants to pay extra for more chance of having the load nicked?
Difference between a layby/ind est and a services is the layby/ind est costs 0 pounds services cost alot and less chance of having ur fuel or load nicked.
Sign says in most services “vehicle and contents left at owners risk” insurance aint gonna help u in services.
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I reckon your load has got equal chance of being nicked wherever you park really and will always depend on what exactly youre carrying and how its packaged. The signs ‘Vehicle and Contents left at Owners Risk’ and the equivalent where i am is purely just to safeguard the property owners against a claim. In the case of theft your own insurance would pay out…
‘Or better still give everyone what they want, get trucks off the road, leave them all in their safe and secure yards, lets say, what - two weeks? that would soon see viable solutions put into place! ‘
Blockading the fuel depots brought the country to a near standstill in just over a week in 2000 over fuel prices, it can be done.
bubsy06:
So your company wants to pay extra for more chance of having the load nicked?
Difference between a layby/ind est and a services is the layby/ind est costs 0 pounds services cost alot and less chance of having ur fuel or load nicked.
Sign says in most services “vehicle and contents left at owners risk” insurance aint gonna help u in services.
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I reckon your load has got equal chance of being nicked wherever you park really and will always depend on what exactly youre carrying and how its packaged. The signs ‘Vehicle and Contents left at Owners Risk’ and the equivalent where i am is purely just to safeguard the property owners against a claim. In the case of theft your own insurance would pay out…
So they wud pay out if ur load was stolen in a layby or ind est, you wud be better off money wise, food wise, security wise in an ind est.
bubsy06:
So your company wants to pay extra for more chance of having the load nicked?
Difference between a layby/ind est and a services is the layby/ind est costs 0 pounds services cost alot and less chance of having ur fuel or load nicked.
Sign says in most services “vehicle and contents left at owners risk” insurance aint gonna help u in services.
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I reckon your load has got equal chance of being nicked wherever you park really and will always depend on what exactly youre carrying and how its packaged. The signs ‘Vehicle and Contents left at Owners Risk’ and the equivalent where i am is purely just to safeguard the property owners against a claim. In the case of theft your own insurance would pay out…
So they wud pay out if ur load was stolen in a layby or ind est, you wud be better off money wise, food wise, security wise in an ind est.
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If you’re asked to find secure parking by your company and you don’t then have the load nicked, you’re company would be liable to foot the bill as the insurers sure won’t. When I started my new job, I asked about parking and I was told to use secure parking. Either MSA or truck stops. The company has accounts with nearly all the MSA’s and has SNAP so we really don’t have excuse not to use them. Laybys are a big no no, ind-est’s are acceptable if there is no other alternative.
Since last christmas I’ve made the effort to find the odd quiet deep lay-by and mainly small industrial estates and keep a note of them, I now tend to get a great nights sleep with very little disturbance. Would only use MSA’s if I was desperate now.
sorry!