No more Beaver

Reef:

eddie snax:
I read a report a while back, in motor transport magazine, they’d used a FOI request to the DVLA to find out how many C & CE drivers under 35 also held a current CPC, and thus active in the transport industry, can’t remember the exact figure, but it was in the region of 40% who didn’t have a driver CPC. That means these guys had in the previous 15 yrs spent£1000’s on obtaining the license, but had after a period of time decided that transport wasn’t the job for them ! So Beavers thread is not a dummy spitting exercise, its a reflection of what many in his pier group do, as in get out whilst they still feel able to try a different career path. What a sad indictment of transport, still plenty more flip flops to fill the seats !!

Highly unlikely that is even vaguely accurate though, what you’re forgetting and no doubt was omitted from the report (no doubt to bolster the point they were trying to make) is a vast number of C and C + E’s are obtained in the armed forces, I’m pretty sure serving personnel do not need to take the drivers CPC though they will still show up on DVLA records as having the licences, and I’m sure only a small percentage of those personnel would sign up for civvie LGV work once they got out.

Figures and percentages can always be presented in a favourable way to suit any agenda, it’s what politicians, corporations and the media rely on to keep the sheep grazing.

Just my 100% current financial outlook on it, (or two cents if you like) :wink:

I didn’t know that, and unlike the 1990’s when every other ex squaddy took a stint at civvy driving, nowadays they don’t seem so prevalent in new recruit stakes.

I guess as with all juornalism the reporter sets out with an agenda and seeks to make it fit. Even so, there is a problem with retention of younger driver’s, a problem of the industries own making, a problem that is of this century, those of us that started pre2000 by and large are still kicking around, but are getting ever closer to retirement. Driver less trucks aren’t the panasia that the tech boffins believe they are, as there is more to driving than driving, but that’s a whole other essay !

Transport will never be the same, :laughing: Dont feed the troll for ■■■■ sake

Radar19:

muckles:
It seems that even the truck press can see the problem, but the industry still has it’s head up it’s arse, believing that somebody else will sort it’s recruitment and retention problems.

Something to shout about - Truckanddriver.co.uk

And as for East Europeans filling the seats, well the reduction in the value of the pound against the Euro means they’ve seen the value of what they earn drop considerably if they’re sending the money home and there are other EU countries looking for drivers.

The bosses refuse to acknowledge the problem because its grown into such a monster. Its the same as what happens to chronic hoarders. After a while they refuse to see just how bad the situation has gotten and either consciously or otherwise don’t do anything about it.

The industry has spun itself into knots. Either by cutting costs to the bone or by coming down hard on driver faults, they have wrapped themselves up in such a tangle. They can’t afford to pay more because there isn’t any money left yet they can’t afford not to keep up with ever changing rules and overpowered insurance companies.

They employ knuckle heads who are cheap yet they smash kit up which makes the office install driver facing cameras which in turn forces more of the good crop to leave, letting more knuckle heads take their place.

Your spot on & it’s beyond repair now. It’d take the big guns to start taking a stand against ■■■■ poor rates for there to be a chance of any change & frankly, none of them are going to bother trying to change anything now when autonomy is on the horizon & the job is being forever dumbed down.

When we get to the point (probably in the not too distant future) where every truck on the road has auto pilot functionality, automatic emergency braking, reversing assistance etc. etc. and navigation is spoon fed to the driver, then the cheap knuckleheads will do.

Any young guys in this game (I myself fall into that category), shouldn’t bank on it being a viable ‘career’ long term. It’s only going to get worse.

norb:
Eager ,British Gas advertise for apprentice Gas Engineers and they take people well in to their late 30 ( don’t have a clue how old you are ) I guess having a decent sense of smell may help…Though I guess a few on here may not let you near a boiler lol

The last time I looked at apprentice roles in BG they wanted £16,000+ from applicants over 18…maybe 5 years ago.

Radar19:

muckles:
It seems that even the truck press can see the problem, but the industry still has it’s head up it’s arse, believing that somebody else will sort it’s recruitment and retention problems.

Something to shout about - Truckanddriver.co.uk

And as for East Europeans filling the seats, well the reduction in the value of the pound against the Euro means they’ve seen the value of what they earn drop considerably if they’re sending the money home and there are other EU countries looking for drivers.

The bosses refuse to acknowledge the problem because its grown into such a monster. Its the same as what happens to chronic hoarders. After a while they refuse to see just how bad the situation has gotten and either consciously or otherwise don’t do anything about it.

The industry has spun itself into knots. Either by cutting costs to the bone or by coming down hard on driver faults, they have wrapped themselves up in such a tangle. They can’t afford to pay more because there isn’t any money left yet they can’t afford not to keep up with ever changing rules and overpowered insurance companies.

They employ knuckle heads who are cheap yet they smash kit up which makes the office install driver facing cameras which in turn forces more of the good crop to leave, letting more knuckle heads take their place.

Excellent analysis.

I too don’t see how this can be reversed when yet another big logistics mob comes along piling it yet higher and selling it yet cheaper, kicking the can along the road for another duration of contract.
About all we can do as drivers is, as you have done Radar, find our own little niche jobs where we are reasonably happy with our lot and do our best to make sure the job lasts, and let the pile it high sell it even cheaper mobs carry on.

I worked yesterday, early start long run down to Wales via Monmouth Subway, yum, and Beaver’s reasons for leaving came back to me.

Firstly the usual suspect minority of idiots in lorries managed to make the first hour journey unpleasant as they do, it has to be deliberate surely they can’t be that incompetent all the time, fortunately all three were wearing hivis vests so idiot driving wasn’t unexpected.
But once that little lot had cleared off, the rest of the journey was really enjoyable, in comparison to those three twerps in artics who stood out as dicks the car driving majority were good as gold and in most cases courteous.
Without the sheer volume of lorries on the road the journey was pleasant, not half as much pushing in nor deliberate carving up or baulking of fellow lorry drivers that the increasing minority of incompetents in lorries do which makes weekday driving increasingly unpleasant, and embarrassing because we all get tarred with the same brush in the eyes of the general public.
These last few weeks bolshy unpleasant bullying by some at the wheel of lorries has been standing out worse than i ever recall, there are large company’s vehicles that are highly likely to mess you about, those noted as bullying and/or poor paying employers, maybe crap like this does flow downhill :bulb:

If i do carry on a part time basis after retirement, weekends will be when i work, Fridays after lunch time will be a day i do not work.

A short chat with a driver yesterday revealed (why they told me their pay rate i don’t know, i didn’t mention mine) a £10 an hour Saturday rate, which from how they spoke it was presumably a decent step up from the normal rate, obviously i don’t know where they were based or what they were driving which will have a large effect on pay rates, if that’s a good weekend rate i dread to think what others in the driver’s locality are paying.

eagerbeaver:

eddie snax:
I read a report a while back, in motor transport magazine, they’d used a FOI request to the DVLA to find out how many C & CE drivers under 35 also held a current CPC, and thus active in the transport industry, can’t remember the exact figure, but it was in the region of 40% who didn’t have a driver CPC. That means these guys had in the previous 15 yrs spent£1000’s on obtaining the license, but had after a period of time decided that transport wasn’t the job for them ! So Beavers thread is not a dummy spitting exercise, its a reflection of what many in his pier group do, as in get out whilst they still feel able to try a different career path. What a sad indictment of transport, still plenty more flip flops to fill the seats !!

Read and digest this folks ^^^^^^^

I will never bad mouth truckers and will always be one in my mind. Nor will I ever come back on here and mock those who choose to remain (apart from limpers :laughing: )

Eddie has it spot on. In an ideal world I would stay being a trucker. But we don’t live in that world, and each of us has choices to make.
Too many idiots in the game. Switch to ’ D ’ and hit the loud pedal. WTF is this passing your CE in a 12 tonne auto DAF wag & drag about? :open_mouth:

Sadly the flip flops WILL keep coming. And so would I if I were one. They will drive all day and night at £9 per hour and love it. They will live in the truck all week and love it. They will cook bacon and drink beer on a ■■■■ stained MSA truck park and love it.

The jobs [zb] and so is the Country really :frowning: All the best folks.

Have you already left driving? Wondering why you’re saying your goodbyes on trucknet now? Unless trucknet reminds you of a job you hate :laughing: .

Good luck in the job move! If Dozy disappears at the same time that’ll solve a mystery :laughing:

Beaver - your a good laugh and I have enjoyed your posts - if your leaving this place will be the poorer for it. BUT –
I’ve been there - 8 years ago
Packed in the driving got myself a job in grounds maintenance (going round the schools cutting grass and hedges (outdoor life - I couldn’t sit in an office )
After 2 years I hated it - the job its self wasn’t so bad but the people I was "working " with were the biggest shower of clowns I have ever met .5 years in and I was depressed ,off work with stress and on blood pressure tablets .
I was offered a part time job at weekends back on the trucks took it up and started to enjoy it again - 6 months later I was offered the full time job - I didn’t even think about it - handed in my notice , worked my week and never looked back .
2 years later i’m off the tablets and a different person (according to my wife and kids ) and I’m happy .
For me its simple - I’m a farmers son - I like looking over the hedges and seeing whats going on in the countryside. I think I work for a good man who actually cares about his drivers and theres a good bunch of lads here to work with .
If your working with idiots just change jobs til you find one you like - lifes to short .
Best of luck with whatever you do .

Good luck with whatever it is you do mate , on the bright side can we now cruise the m6 in proper trucker style getting the tan on one arm without a big yellow beast taking the skin off our elbows?

I’ll bell you tomorrow Lee. Well have a proper chat where I’m not being stared at by the others in the restaurant! :smiley:

All the best mate, i think alot of people would get out if they could, having fixed hours and been home to do normal dad stuff is a dream for me but won’t ever happen!..

Onwards and upwards’ let us know how you get on EB

eagerbeaver:
Really chuffed with the comments fella’s, thanks!

As regards being reported 29088, it always ■■■■■■ me off when the neighbourhood watch have a go. The problem is as a day man, you are always chasing your arse, and unless you get REALLY lucky with your job, you often end up ‘pushing’ it a bit.

Get a bit close in the roadworks and you’re in for it. Shout at someone, you’re in for it. Nip through a weight limit…etc.
The general public hate trucks anyway, and now everyone has free minutes and a mobile phone. Beep your horn and it’s a phone call.

Got dashcam footage?..Get it sent in :unamused: We are actively encouraged to inform on everyone and every indiscretion we see.

As regards driving a truck for a living, it’s crap. In my opinion the main reason that employers in the main take the ■■■■, is because we as drivers bend over and allow it. I HAVE HONESTLY ON NUMEROUS TIMES BEEN SO CLOSE TO DELIBERATELY PARKING MY WAGON ACROSS ALL LANES ON THE THELWALL VIADUCT AND SNAPPING THE KEY IN THE BARREL YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT.please only do this on a Friday, as a; one doesn’t work on said day and 2; take swimming trunks for the dive! And swim off! Lol. :grimacing: this would be my stylee! (Not with my most recent employers though who have treated me well).

The reason for this outrageous thought is not through mental illness :laughing: It is simply so that I can jam the crap out of the motorway and cause chaos. Whilst this chaos would be happening I would simply phone the press. The crappy rags like The Sun et al, would love it. And in an ideal world I would then be able to explain the frustration and disdain we have within the job.

Sure I would probably get arrested and face a court appearance and then a fine. But so what? I can afford the fine, and one of my mates would do a crowd fund anyway :grimacing:

IT’S ABOUT TIME DRIVERS START GROWING A BACKBONE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO NOT DELIVER THE GOODS. REMEMBER THE FUEL STRIKES? IT CAUSED CHAOS!!! START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE JOB.

The facilities are crap. The conditions are crap. The employers are often crap. The parking is crap. We are spied on relentlessly. We are spoken to like crap.

STOP PUTTING UP WITH IT FFS. MANY,MANY PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE SPILT BLOOD FOR BETTER CONDITIONS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SAY NO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I would be willing to spend my time money and effort supporting any drivers action, and would happily get involved in any effort that would hopefully improve conditions for drivers, but it MUST start with drivers themselves. I understand that bill’s need to be paid and mouths must be fed.

But the weapons of choice for employers in this game are PRESSURE and FEAR. Anyone scared of REFUSING A REASONABLE REQUEST? Let me tell you all something. ALMOST ANYTHING these employers ask CAN be construed as REASONABLE.

SO START REFUSING AND GROW A PAIR. You will not be sent to jail. You will not be given the lethal injection. Your loved ones will not stop loving you. IT’S JUST A JOB FFS! You can go and get another one.

LET’S START BY REFUSING TO WORK FOR THE CRAP EMPLOYERS WHO PAY PEANUTS. I have always told you lot who I work for. At Downton’s they tried intimidating me regarding my post’s about their office staff. I was told that I had slandered one staff member in particular, and that it was ’ defamation of character. I told them that I would love to go to court and tell everyone who would listen about the place.

GUESS WHAT…THEY CRAPPED IT. :unamused: START NAMING AND SHAMING AND BOYCOTTING CRAP PAYERS. IT’S A START AND HOPEFULLY WITH SOME BACKBONE AND EFFORT WE MAY BE ABLE TO RESTORE A BIT OF PRIDE AND DIGNITY.

it is, as you say just a job! :laughing: too many yellowbellies who fight a cracking fight in’ t brew room lad! Other Costa coffee outlets < insert here > are available. :sunglasses:

Twoninety88:
I’m sorry you have decided to chuck it all in, I understand what you say regarding that we all need to grow a pair and stand up for ourselves. I respectfully counter that with this: no matter how much we as an industry protest about pay, hours, conditions, roads and traffic, I’m afraid nothing will ever change. We have seen this industry keel over and submit to longer working hours, increased weekend and night work, ‘just in time’ deliveries. Ridiculous booking times for goods in at the other end of the country, lack of decent town parking, cafes and just about everthing else we rely on to help us in this strange, sometimes nomadic life.

Collectively we cannot, and will not do anything it seems to better our ‘lot’. We threaten to strike but we all know we wont lose money if we can help it. We cant blockade the road networks as the French did succesfully in the past, our political structure is in so many ways different that denies it being a feasible ploy to our advantage. In many ways we continue to ■■■■ it up, hoping for change but knowing it will never get any better.

I honestly think that each of us needs to negotiate our own terms. I had been dealt a bitter blow by heart problems that saw me leave the road transport industry, and take a job with a large corporate materials supply company as a driver of a rigid 6 wheeler.
For ten years I suffered bullying and intimidation on a scale I would never once have put up with. But when you feel like this is all you are fit for, I stupidly and meekly accepted it. Eventually resentment and anger built up so much that I went into meltdown, and was seriously concerned about the stress levels i was under. I started kicking back, and everything came to a head the day I was called in and asked to explain why I took a certain route to a delivery. The dreaded Tracker had been used to try and catch me out, a day later and the same happened again. I quit there and then without another job to go to. so in a way I ‘grew a pair’ and dealt with that aspect. :wink:

A day after leaving, I found a lower paid job and only a few months later and through a friends information,I finally found the type of job that I had since longed for, where gladly to say, I was welcomed with open arms. Being a bit ‘old skool’ I had found a job with a firm that shared the same values as my own. I was prepared to give them my very best providing they treated me the same way. Luckily for me that ethos has worked. Now, with only two years to go until retirement, I will see it through to the end. I am extremely lucky with the job I have now, and for as long as it lasts (hopefully two years! ) I will give it my all. The pay wasnt particulary great to start with, but after nine months I presented them with the pay scheme I regarded I was worth. Much to my surprise they agreed and all is now well with the world. Yet again in another way I grew a pair :wink:

I do my fair share of early starts, Am always punctual for timed deliveries, I keep the vehicle clean and run it as efficient as I can. I will go anywhere at the drop of a hat, and will work the hours needed to do the job legally. I do not run over time, or off the card and have my daily 11 hours off if at all possible. Sometimes though a nine is needed, but I talk to my man and explain that I cannot be where he needs me to be and a compromise is reached, this way I do my best to manage my weekend rest. So all in all I can negotiate with the management in a calm manner to get the conditions that I want. Another pair grown :wink:

I too detest certain aspects of driving for a living, and have done for quite a while. But, I do not take umbrage with my current bosses, for the most part, it is not their fault. Customer service dictates in the world we operate in, and if companies want to stay in business, then adapt or die is the maxim. for that part we must put ourselves out now and again. We may not like it but if this is the life we have chosen, then what else are we to do?

Unfortunately we share out world with those who’s standards dont always match our own. We are treated like crap because many drivers hurl abuse left right and centre at security staff, goods in doormen, forklift drivers other roadusers including ourselves. Some of us pee and defecate literally anywhere, carve our own comrades up out on the road and generally behave like prima donnas because they drive a large vehicle. The culture of ‘I’m a truck driver, I’m better than you’ sometimes seems rife against lesser roadusers. Certain V8 drivers look down on six pots, Artic drivers look down on rigid drivers who in turn look down on puddle jumpers and transits.At the end of the day wea are all doing the same job, delivering goods. Gone is the ‘Knight of the Road image’ unfortunately we are all seen as a blight on humanity!

The country is getting more crowded, roads are breaking up under the strain, we are expected to serve many more years until retirement age is reached…and that keeps getting pushed back ! So many firms expect levels of commitment exceeding the normal while dishing out a meagre or non existant level of wage increases. I very much doubt that being a plumber or an electrician, a roofer or a builder will change things for you that much, they are all fighting for work and most of the people in those trades suffer from their own inherrent work related problems… . Its a jungle out there and only the fittest will survive!
good luck!

jeez! Take it you voted for Maggie in 1979? :grimacing: it starts with drivers and ends with drivers. AKA the French lorry drivers. DID IT AND WORE THE T- SHIRT. LOL

Best of luck for the future e b you will miss the job in some ways but I agree with a lot of what you say , take it easy mate ! I never did collect that bloody daf table off u did I :laughing:

Now if eagermuff drops that table off at our depot in Warrington I will get it to Kirkby or Aintree :wink:

Good luck fella I’ve just gone back to construction as a site manager working 39 hours per week it’s like having a part time job I am back in the house no later than 5pm as for your re-training both plumbers and sparks seem to make make a good wage keep us up to date how it all goes

Best of luck to you EB in whatever you decide to do.

Pm for you mate, best of luck to you.

Absolutely spot on. It’s not the job (cos no matter how much any of us want it to be like the good old days, it never will be) its what you make of it. I started in this game in 1987 as a 16 year old YTS (Youth training scheme) and ALL the older drivers said that the job was “screwed”, yet there are plenty of people on here saying that they were the glory days! Don’t shoot yourself in the foot 'Beaver, the grass is very rarely greener…

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Roverman:
Absolutely spot on. It’s not the job (cos no matter how much any of us want it to be like the good old days, it never will be) its what you make of it. I started in this game in 1987 as a 16 year old YTS (Youth training scheme) and ALL the older drivers said that the job was “screwed”, yet there are plenty of people on here saying that they were the glory days! Don’t shoot yourself in the foot 'Beaver, the grass is very rarely greener…

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That’s more or less what I told my mate beaver, I’ve thought about jacking for bloody years now on and off, but thought better of it and just tried to make things as comfortable as I can for myself, and basically ■■■■ any other driver who has not got the balls to do it themselves.
87 was about the time when things just first started to turn the job to ■■■■ btw

Good luck beaver in your next venture :sunglasses: