Does JLR have a similar indoctrination/training facility as Eddie Stobart?
mrginge:
Does JLR have a similar indoctrination/training facility as Eddie Stobart?
you’re not getting a bite out of me 
Sad to see you leaving us eagermuff.
Even the good jobs like I have got are at risk now and it could be all change for me in a few months depending how things pan out, likely the change for me will still be driving though.
Take a step back and never say never like I did
Good luck mate and I’ll look out for you beeping and flashing 
allbe it in a car
Well I’m going to miss you Beaver, good luck with your future venture. Don’t be a stranger to these pages, once a driver allways a driver.
To address some of what has been said by many poster’s on this thread and at other times.
I hear many driver complaining about working conditions in this industry, and employment conditions right across all sectors, but how many people are in union’s, and would or feel that they could take part in industrial action ? We could change things, but we won’t, as we never have, not industry wide.
Driver’s constantly complain about the CPC, as in why should we have to do it, well I complain that it is a farce, the CPC should have a test at the end of it,fail and it’s more training or a new career, that would raise wages and standard !
The standard of driving by HGV driver’s some times leaves alot to be desired, if we want respect we can’t demand it,we need to earn it.
I still enjoy this industry, it’s different to when I started (30yrs ago) some for worse some for better. There’s little comeradery nowadays, on the other hand I don’t have splits on the side of my hand from wet ropes and gloves. There’s very few proper transport cafes, MaccyD just doesn’t cut it, but my truck is a lot nicer place to spend the week than before. Before Mobil phones we were away from the office and able to exercise more initiative, but standing in cold phone boxes talking to the Mrs wasn’t that pleasant. And many more differences.
To end, I’ll simply ask you Beaver, that as one who has tried but decided to move along, that you will not had month those of us that find this industry not so disagreeable so continue to strive against increasing odds.
good luck mate
Radar19:
So what you going to do? I don’t think I could do anything else.
Rember you when you were doing your class 2 then 1, what were you doing before then?
I’ve always done driving jobs albeit either bus, coach or driving trucks up to artics…
DAF95XF:
Radar19:
So what you going to do? I don’t think I could do anything else.Rember you when you were doing your class 2 then 1, what were you doing before then?
I’ve always done driving jobs albeit either bus, coach or driving trucks up to artics…
Same here, I’ve always been in transport driving with added 7 years In the office sorting complaints then a very short spell out if transport in social housing (I enjoyed that) but I got back driving and could never do office work again, to many arse heads to close stabbing each other in the back, at least in my wagon I can rant out loud without upsetting anyone
DAF95XF:
Radar19:
So what you going to do? I don’t think I could do anything else.Rember you when you were doing your class 2 then 1, what were you doing before then?
I’ve always done driving jobs albeit either bus, coach or driving trucks up to artics…
I worked in the service industry and you couldn’t pay me enough to go back. I can’t stand the same old routine everyday. Sure truck driving has its repetitive parts but mostly its something different everyday. Back when I made coffee for a living I was working from 7am to 17:30 with no break, always on my feet and having to deal with members of the public. Sure it had its perks and 99% of the customers were nice but you still got the crap. I would be on 5 and a half days a week for about £300 for about 13 months. Before that I was unemployed. I’m not knocking it as I’m very grateful to of be given a job.
I’ve had temp jobs in retail and that was enough for me, couldn’t work in an office as I hate the very nature of those places. I seem to of found my niche. I very rarely do anything that resembles an RDC, everyday I’m given something new to do. The places I go are staffed with some right characters who are always up for a chat with most offering to let you stay on the farm overnight. No noisy services and no risk of getting done over.
Yes the road situation is terrible and there is are these sado’s who have nothing better to do, reporting you for breathing wrong but I just let that ride over me. I set my CC to 52 and I’m happy as Larry. I’ve got myself in with a good bunch who don’t chase you and let you, the driver just get on with it.
Maybe EB just needs to look elsewhere as it seems that general has been his daily bread and butter. Maybe because I do nights away I look at this job differently.
Butcher:
eagerbeaver:
Really chuffed with the comments fella’s, thanks!As regards being reported 29088, it always ■■■■■■ me off when the neighbourhood watch have a go. The problem is as a day man, you are always chasing your arse, and unless you get REALLY lucky with your job, you often end up ‘pushing’ it a bit.
Get a bit close in the roadworks and you’re in for it. Shout at someone, you’re in for it. Nip through a weight limit…etc.
The general public hate trucks anyway, and now everyone has free minutes and a mobile phone. Beep your horn and it’s a phone call.Got dashcam footage?..Get it sent in
We are actively encouraged to inform on everyone and every indiscretion we see.
As regards driving a truck for a living, it’s crap. In my opinion the main reason that employers in the main take the ■■■■, is because we as drivers bend over and allow it. I HAVE HONESTLY ON NUMEROUS TIMES BEEN SO CLOSE TO DELIBERATELY PARKING MY WAGON ACROSS ALL LANES ON THE THELWALL VIADUCT AND SNAPPING THE KEY IN THE BARREL YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT.(Not with my most recent employers though who have treated me well).
The reason for this outrageous thought is not through mental illness
Sure I would probably get arrested and face a court appearance and then a fine. But so what? I can afford the fine, and one of my mates would do a crowd fund anyway
IT’S ABOUT TIME DRIVERS START GROWING A BACKBONE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO NOT DELIVER THE GOODS. REMEMBER THE FUEL STRIKES? IT CAUSED CHAOS!!! START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE JOB.
The facilities are crap. The conditions are crap. The employers are often crap. The parking is crap. We are spied on relentlessly. We are spoken to like crap.
STOP PUTTING UP WITH IT FFS. MANY,MANY PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE SPILT BLOOD FOR BETTER CONDITIONS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SAY NO A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I would be willing to spend my time money and effort supporting any drivers action, and would happily get involved in any effort that would hopefully improve conditions for drivers, but it MUST start with drivers themselves. I understand that bill’s need to be paid and mouths must be fed.
But the weapons of choice for employers in this game are PRESSURE and FEAR. Anyone scared of REFUSING A REASONABLE REQUEST? Let me tell you all something. ALMOST ANYTHING these employers ask CAN be construed as REASONABLE.
SO START REFUSING AND GROW A PAIR. You will not be sent to jail. You will not be given the lethal injection. Your loved ones will not stop loving you. IT’S JUST A JOB FFS! You can go and get another one.
LET’S START BY REFUSING TO WORK FOR THE CRAP EMPLOYERS WHO PAY PEANUTS. I have always told you lot who I work for. At Downton’s they tried intimidating me regarding my post’s about their office staff. I was told that I had slandered one staff member in particular, and that it was ’ defamation of character. I told them that I would love to go to court and tell everyone who would listen about the place.
GUESS WHAT…THEY CRAPPED IT.
Well guys and girls, I think beaver speaks for us all here.
He’s so right, but how many of us will ever have the courage to stand up for better pay and conditions?All the best beaver.
They only dish out crap, push you and all the rest of it, if you allow them to.
I’ll say to you what I said to Beaver.
Things will never change in this job IF it depends on drivers sticking together. 
‘Driver’s solidarity’ is a contradiction in terms, (a bit like Wigan Athletic and Military Intelligence 
)
It will never happen, out of a group of drivers in a firm at least 60% are subservient yes men who never complain about any injustice, and are ready and willing to do any old crap to their own detriment.
So basically trying to get these guys to stick together with you to achieve anything, is like ■■■■■■■ against the wind.
Unfortunately it has got to the stage where either a selfish ‘‘Look after number 1’’ and make the best of the job for yourself, or join the ranks of the brain dead robots are the only two possibilities.
I just crack on with my own work, rarely start before 6am, have a nice little niche number each week, I do not allow them to push me, I get the job done and I am more or less not hassled, and left to my own means.
I do all this while observing and laughing at some of the others who are continuously pushed, start at midnight, or 1 or 2 am, and rush around like ■■■■ idiots…for the same rate of pay as me.
maga:
del trotter:
maga:
Somedays I feel like I’ve just been paid to socialise with my matesThe finished quality of Land Rovers products it would appear that is what they are doing.
I see similar posts on a popular motoring forum, I bet you still think Skoda’s are junk too?
Do you really think that based on where the company is today and the amount they are investing (>£3bn and still delivering profits of c£2bn), the amount of new jobs and jobs in the secondary industries, sales that have trebled in 4 years etc ,that they are still building the [zb] they used to
Well tell me why my 6 month old Range Rover sport has spent 22 days of those 6 months at the dealers having faults fixed then?
Eager ,British Gas advertise for apprentice Gas Engineers and they take people well in to their late 30 ( don’t have a clue how old you are ) I guess having a decent sense of smell may help…Though I guess a few on here may not let you near a boiler lol
norb:
Eager ,British Gas advertise for apprentice Gas Engineers and they take people well in to their late 30 ( don’t have a clue how old you are ) I guess having a decent sense of smell may help…Though I guess a few on here may not let you near a boiler lol
Cheers mate. I had two kids with the last boiler 
(It hasn’t worked out too well either)
I am 44 by the way Norb.
Well this thread seems to have gone from a
Goodbye or Good riddance or just ■■■■ off to Mr Beaver to a a list of what wrong with the haulage industry.
But it seems there are several posters who thought about leaving and maybe this has motivated them to move on to another driving job which seems to have worked out, so the goods jobs are out there. although in the case of eagerbeaver though it probably has already tried every driving job.
I don’t really work in the haulage industry, I have done and would only do it again if it was between that and being on the dole. but for those of you who want to improve things, sadly I doubt you’d ever get enough of your fellow drivers to join you in any sort of action to force improvements, so you’re best looking after yourself, vote with your feet leave the bottom feeding haulage operations and try and find your own niche, with proper employers who actually see their drivers as a vital part of their business and treat and pay accordingly.
The rest of the crap like, crowded road, the general public, lack of facilities, not sure how you can solve those problems.
Radar19:
DAF95XF:
Radar19:
So what you going to do? I don’t think I could do anything else.Rember you when you were doing your class 2 then 1, what were you doing before then?
I’ve always done driving jobs albeit either bus, coach or driving trucks up to artics…I worked in the service industry and you couldn’t pay me enough to go back. I can’t stand the same old routine everyday. Sure truck driving has its repetitive parts but mostly its something different everyday. Back when I made coffee for a living I was working from 7am to 17:30 with no break, always on my feet and having to deal with members of the public. Sure it had its perks and 99% of the customers were nice but you still got the crap. I would be on 5 and a half days a week for about £300 for about 13 months. Before that I was unemployed. I’m not knocking it as I’m very grateful to of be given a job.
I’ve had temp jobs in retail and that was enough for me, couldn’t work in an office as I hate the very nature of those places. I seem to of found my niche. I very rarely do anything that resembles an RDC, everyday I’m given something new to do. The places I go are staffed with some right characters who are always up for a chat with most offering to let you stay on the farm overnight. No noisy services and no risk of getting done over.
Yes the road situation is terrible and there is are these sado’s who have nothing better to do, reporting you for breathing wrong but I just let that ride over me. I set my CC to 52 and I’m happy as Larry. I’ve got myself in with a good bunch who don’t chase you and let you, the driver just get on with it.
Maybe EB just needs to look elsewhere as it seems that general has been his daily bread and butter. Maybe because I do nights away I look at this job differently.
You’ve really got your head screwed on right with that gig Radar. I wasn’t sure about you from earlier post’s, as you moved through class 2 to 1, but I’m glad that someone young and British, is making a go of trucking, we need more like you in this industry. It’s a shame that the industry has lost another young lad, in the shape of Beaver, but that is the industries loss, not Beavers.
I read a report a while back, in motor transport magazine, they’d used a FOI request to the DVLA to find out how many C & CE drivers under 35 also held a current CPC, and thus active in the transport industry, can’t remember the exact figure, but it was in the region of 40% who didn’t have a driver CPC. That means these guys had in the previous 15 yrs spent£1000’s on obtaining the license, but had after a period of time decided that transport wasn’t the job for them ! So Beavers thread is not a dummy spitting exercise, its a reflection of what many in his pier group do, as in get out whilst they still feel able to try a different career path. What a sad indictment of transport, still plenty more flip flops to fill the seats !!
eddie snax:
I read a report a while back, in motor transport magazine, they’d used a FOI request to the DVLA to find out how many C & CE drivers under 35 also held a current CPC, and thus active in the transport industry, can’t remember the exact figure, but it was in the region of 40% who didn’t have a driver CPC. That means these guys had in the previous 15 yrs spent£1000’s on obtaining the license, but had after a period of time decided that transport wasn’t the job for them ! So Beavers thread is not a dummy spitting exercise, its a reflection of what many in his pier group do, as in get out whilst they still feel able to try a different career path. What a sad indictment of transport, still plenty more flip flops to fill the seats !!
Read and digest this folks ^^^^^^^
I will never bad mouth truckers and will always be one in my mind. Nor will I ever come back on here and mock those who choose to remain (apart from limpers )
Eddie has it spot on. In an ideal world I would stay being a trucker. But we don’t live in that world, and each of us has choices to make.
Too many idiots in the game. Switch to ’ D ’ and hit the loud pedal. WTF is this passing your CE in a 12 tonne auto DAF wag & drag about?
Sadly the flip flops WILL keep coming. And so would I if I were one. They will drive all day and night at £9 per hour and love it. They will live in the truck all week and love it. They will cook bacon and drink beer on a ■■■■ stained MSA truck park and love it.
The jobs [zb] and so is the Country really 
All the best folks.
eddie snax:
I read a report a while back, in motor transport magazine, they’d used a FOI request to the DVLA to find out how many C & CE drivers under 35 also held a current CPC, and thus active in the transport industry, can’t remember the exact figure, but it was in the region of 40% who didn’t have a driver CPC. That means these guys had in the previous 15 yrs spent£1000’s on obtaining the license, but had after a period of time decided that transport wasn’t the job for them ! So Beavers thread is not a dummy spitting exercise, its a reflection of what many in his pier group do, as in get out whilst they still feel able to try a different career path. What a sad indictment of transport, still plenty more flip flops to fill the seats !!
Highly unlikely that is even vaguely accurate though, what you’re forgetting and no doubt was omitted from the report (no doubt to bolster the point they were trying to make) is a vast number of C and C + E’s are obtained in the armed forces, I’m pretty sure serving personnel do not need to take the drivers CPC though they will still show up on DVLA records as having the licences, and I’m sure only a small percentage of those personnel would sign up for civvie LGV work once they got out.
Figures and percentages can always be presented in a favourable way to suit any agenda, it’s what politicians, corporations and the media rely on to keep the sheep grazing.
Just my 100% current financial outlook on it, (or two cents if you like)
eddie snax:
Radar19:
DAF95XF:
Radar19:
So what you going to do? I don’t think I could do anything else.Rember you when you were doing your class 2 then 1, what were you doing before then?
I’ve always done driving jobs albeit either bus, coach or driving trucks up to artics…I worked in the service industry and you couldn’t pay me enough to go back. I can’t stand the same old routine everyday. Sure truck driving has its repetitive parts but mostly its something different everyday. Back when I made coffee for a living I was working from 7am to 17:30 with no break, always on my feet and having to deal with members of the public. Sure it had its perks and 99% of the customers were nice but you still got the crap. I would be on 5 and a half days a week for about £300 for about 13 months. Before that I was unemployed. I’m not knocking it as I’m very grateful to of be given a job.
I’ve had temp jobs in retail and that was enough for me, couldn’t work in an office as I hate the very nature of those places. I seem to of found my niche. I very rarely do anything that resembles an RDC, everyday I’m given something new to do. The places I go are staffed with some right characters who are always up for a chat with most offering to let you stay on the farm overnight. No noisy services and no risk of getting done over.
Yes the road situation is terrible and there is are these sado’s who have nothing better to do, reporting you for breathing wrong but I just let that ride over me. I set my CC to 52 and I’m happy as Larry. I’ve got myself in with a good bunch who don’t chase you and let you, the driver just get on with it.
Maybe EB just needs to look elsewhere as it seems that general has been his daily bread and butter. Maybe because I do nights away I look at this job differently.
You’ve really got your head screwed on right with that gig Radar. I wasn’t sure about you from earlier post’s, as you moved through class 2 to 1, but I’m glad that someone young and British, is making a go of trucking, we need more like you in this industry. It’s a shame that the industry has lost another young lad, in the shape of Beaver, but that is the industries loss, not Beavers.
The person you can thank for me getting into this industry works or at last time of asking worked at the same place as Olov Jay. I used to play Mechwarrior online with him a while back and I was complaining to him that I was working all these hours earning bugger all money. He told me to go get my lorry license as I’m bound to get a job. Left the job in the cafe and did my Class 2. Spent 6 months on agency before landing a job thanks to someone who posts on here or used to anyway. Spent a year and a half doing Class 2 stuff and I honestly enjoyed it. The money wasn’t great and I spent a lot of time in London, plus the office played favourites and my face didn’t fit. Did my Class 1 off my own back as I knew I didn’t want to stick around. The office mucked me about but I stuck with it and got 6 months of Class 1 experience whilst bugging the TM at my current place for a job. On the 31st of March this year I started with my current lot after first approaching them back in August of 2016!
I enjoy driving trucks, my 60 hour weeks don’t feel like I’ve done 60 hours of actual work. I’m earning about £1200-1300 every two weeks without really going mad and maxing my hours. I’m naturally quite anti-social so this job fits me just fine.
In regards to the industry, sometimes to better to let something die and rebuild from the ashes than trying to keep it on life support. My mate asked me as I’ve come into quite a large inheritance about buying my own unit and working as a subbie. It would be something that I’d love to do but as RobRoy has said in the past, I’m about 30 years too late. Good companies will recognise the drivers that do the graft even if its not obvious or at least small in the company will. At my place now there are artic drivers who have been with them for over 10 years or more. Its rare to find drivers like that now so something must be going right for them to stay.
I started driving in 2014, I’ve never driven over Shap in the winter. Never driven a Twin Spilt. Never done roping and sheeting. Never been without a Sat-Nav or a mobile phone. Rarely driven a manual. Does not having done this stuff make me a poor driver? No, its about how you approach the job. This job is what you make of it. Let yourself be carried away by the stress then its hell but once you just chill then its the best job in the world. Someone is actually paying me to sit on my can and drive around the country. I’m doing Scotland next week, I’m sure if I wasn’t a lorry driver then I wouldn’t of even dreamed about some of the places I go to, the people I meet. The real people, the real places. Not the tourist traps.
It seems that even the truck press can see the problem, but the industry still has it’s head up it’s arse, believing that somebody else will sort it’s recruitment and retention problems.
And as for East Europeans filling the seats, well the reduction in the value of the pound against the Euro means they’ve seen the value of what they earn drop considerably if they’re sending the money home and there are other EU countries looking for drivers.
muckles:
It seems that even the truck press can see the problem, but the industry still has it’s head up it’s arse, believing that somebody else will sort it’s recruitment and retention problems.Something to shout about - Truckanddriver.co.uk
And as for East Europeans filling the seats, well the reduction in the value of the pound against the Euro means they’ve seen the value of what they earn drop considerably if they’re sending the money home and there are other EU countries looking for drivers.
The bosses refuse to acknowledge the problem because its grown into such a monster. Its the same as what happens to chronic hoarders. After a while they refuse to see just how bad the situation has gotten and either consciously or otherwise don’t do anything about it.
The industry has spun itself into knots. Either by cutting costs to the bone or by coming down hard on driver faults, they have wrapped themselves up in such a tangle. They can’t afford to pay more because there isn’t any money left yet they can’t afford not to keep up with ever changing rules and overpowered insurance companies.
They employ knuckle heads who are cheap yet they smash kit up which makes the office install driver facing cameras which in turn forces more of the good crop to leave, letting more knuckle heads take their place.