No Excuse FFS

RoadsRat:
Feeling left out? Need a hug? :laughing: :wink:

Nah. I’ve had a few “hugs” from coppers before. You’re too rough. :smiley:

commonrail:

RoadsRat:

Contraflow:
Officer, can I see some identification please? I have some concerns about your authenticity. :confused:

No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything. :smiley:

what you actually mean is…that you and that long serving member are one and the same,and this is another of his fake characters dreamt up in order to win a debate he has already lost…twice

eh mick :wink:

Not me, and don’t offend him by comparing me with him!. I don’t know anything.

mickyblue:
Not me, and don’t offend him by comparing me with him!. I don’t know anything.

Any long standing members around here have got brewers droop through drinking too much! :stuck_out_tongue:

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

tv2nord.dk/video/39934

Driver so drunk that the police had to help him out of his cab! The video clip is in Danish, but you don`t need Danish language skills to get the picture.

rekkamies:
TV2 Nord

Driver so drunk that the police had to help him out of his cab! The video clip is in Danish, but you don`t need Danish language skills to get the picture.

The guy is a wreck.

It makes you wonder. :-/

mickyblue:

commonrail:

RoadsRat:

Contraflow:
Officer, can I see some identification please? I have some concerns about your authenticity. :confused:

No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything. :smiley:

what you actually mean is…that you and that long serving member are one and the same,and this is another of his fake characters dreamt up in order to win a debate he has already lost…twice

eh mick :wink:

Not me, and don’t offend him by comparing me with him!. I don’t know anything.

Debate last time wasn’t won or lost. neither of us could agree with an outcome.

dar1976:

rekkamies:
TV2 Nord

The guy is a wreck.

It makes you wonder. :-/

Makes me wonder on the emptiness of their lives.

RoadsRat:

quaser:

truckyboy:
Hw could he be drunk in charge when he was found unconscious at the side of the road,

From the report, there is no evidence that the driver was the person who was in the road - the police, by their own admission, didn’t find that person, or the witness who claimed to have seen him. The driver was found asleep in the cab, with a cut to the head, though crucially the keys were in the ignition.

A good brief would have torn that to shreds.

There’s a report that someone with X description is lying in the road by a truck semi-conscious. You turn up and there’s no one lying on the road but find a passed out drunk matching X description inside the truck.

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock?

Sorry, RoadsRat, I stand by what I said - there is no evidence that the driver in the cab was the person by the side of the road. Any defense lawyer would be able to show ‘reasonable doubt’ that the person in the cab and the road were not the same person, particularly because the ‘witness’ wasn’t found either, so no official statement, which would include the description, could be taken. :smiley:

RoadsRat:
He was found “with the keys in the ignition”. Do you go to sleep with the keys left in the ignition?

Yes, why wouldn’t anyone? In many trucks the keys have to be in and turned on notch for the night heater to stay on more than an hour anyway. My current truck in Canada has a multi level battery isolator what turns off various things the lower the battery gets and if my keys arent in and turned in the opposite direction to what would be required to start the engine I only get a few hours before my heater and fridge turn off. Not that its an issue here from a drunk in charge perspective as its a serious offence in the US to even have a drop of alcohol anywhere in a commercial vehicle, let alone be drunk from it.

quaser:

RoadsRat:

quaser:

truckyboy:
Hw could he be drunk in charge when he was found unconscious at the side of the road,

From the report, there is no evidence that the driver was the person who was in the road - the police, by their own admission, didn’t find that person, or the witness who claimed to have seen him. The driver was found asleep in the cab, with a cut to the head, though crucially the keys were in the ignition.

A good brief would have torn that to shreds.

There’s a report that someone with X description is lying in the road by a truck semi-conscious. You turn up and there’s no one lying on the road but find a passed out drunk matching X description inside the truck.

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock?

Sorry, RoadsRat, I stand by what I said - there is no evidence that the driver in the cab was the person by the side of the road. Any defense lawyer would be able to show ‘reasonable doubt’ that the person in the cab and the road were not the same person, particularly because the ‘witness’ wasn’t found either, so no official statement, which would include the description, could be taken. :smiley:

So why did it go to court and the driver pleaded guilty?

robinhood_1984:

RoadsRat:
He was found “with the keys in the ignition”. Do you go to sleep with the keys left in the ignition?

Yes, why wouldn’t anyone? In many trucks the keys have to be in and turned on notch for the night heater to stay on more than an hour anyway.

Clearly the driver wasn’t on a break/rest at the time?

RoadsRat:

robinhood_1984:

RoadsRat:
He was found “with the keys in the ignition”. Do you go to sleep with the keys left in the ignition?

Yes, why wouldn’t anyone? In many trucks the keys have to be in and turned on notch for the night heater to stay on more than an hour anyway.

Clearly the driver wasn’t on a break/rest at the time?

I dont know what time of the day the incedent took place but the fact that the truck was parked and he was found to be “asleep in the back” suggests to me that he certainly wasn’t working but rather on a break or daily rest. He’s an idiot for doing what he did but having the keys in the ignition are an essential act in many trucks while on a daily rest to keep the heater working or cigarette lighter sockets powered to use a tv etc so that in itself means absolutely nothing and doesn’t prove he had any intent on driving.

But that is down to the officer to find out if there was any intent.

mickyblue:
But that is down to the officer to find out if there was any intent.

Truck driver is asleep in the back of his truck, how does anyone find intent in that, police officer or not? If I’m alseep in my truck, the only thing I’m intending to do is sleep. It looks to be that the presence of his keys in the ignition were the legal means to read more in to this and achieve a convenient conviction on yet another technicality, something Britain excels at unfortunetely.

Yes he’s a fool for drinking like that on the job, but from what I’ve read of it he seems to be guilty of nothing more than the police adding 2+2 and getting 5 and they’ve successfully claimed his keys in ignition to be “intent” when any one of us on here who’s driven trucks for more than 2 days will know that you have to have them in the ignition on many models to keep the night heater on and electronics working and it has nothing to do with intending to drive off anywhere during your daily rest.

I’m not a drinker myself, I’m not against it but it doesn’t do anything for me so I dont bother but I have to say that anyone who drinks more than a little in the truck at night is only asking for trouble and is taking one hell of a risk for getting caught “the morning after” etc and I in no way condone heavy drinking the night before driving the next day BUT I also dont believe in police assumptions of intent that are fatally flawed, such as may be the case here if keys in the ignition are that source of intent, though we dont know very much about it so perhaps not. The bottom line is I dont trust the police to offer an impatial analysis of the situation when its so socially and politically charged a topic and getting a conviction looks good in the local paper to appease concerned locals.

Keys in ignition demonstrate absolutely nothing, end of. Just because this man has behaved in an idiotic way it doesn’t mean he deserves to be punished for something that he didn’t actually do, just incase he might have done it.

Nice easy nick though.
Why bother nicking all the local scumbags If you can nick someone who will most Likley plead guilty for an easy life than some scroat who will most Likley jump bail or pay fines out of job seekers at 10 p a week

limeyphil:
He hadn’t commited an offence. He obviously didn’t get any legal representation.
The CPS have to prove intent. How the [zb] can he intend to drive if he’s fast asleep and ■■■■■■ up?
However, He’s quite clearly an idiot. He pleaded guilty to an offence that could not have happened.

The keys were in the ignition, I believe that would establish intent to drive your worship. Had they been tucked away in a locker or some other place out of immediate access to the driver, then there may have been a defence. Falling over in the road and causing passing motorists to phone the filth also contributed to his downfall I would say.

Grumpygraeme:

limeyphil:
He hadn’t commited an offence. He obviously didn’t get any legal representation.
The CPS have to prove intent. How the [zb] can he intend to drive if he’s fast asleep and ■■■■■■ up?
However, He’s quite clearly an idiot. He pleaded guilty to an offence that could not have happened.

The keys were in the ignition, I believe that would establish intent to drive your worship. Had they been tucked away in a locker or some other place out of immediate access to the driver, then there may have been a defence. Falling over in the road and causing passing motorists to phone the filth also contributed to his downfall I would say.

Someone assumed that the lorry driver was in the road, He was in fact asleep in his bunk.
With regard to the intent bit, No one could possibly be regarded as being intent on driving when they are asleep. I wish it was possible though, Get to bed at midday sunday, and arrive nice and fresh in Milan on Tuesday morning. :laughing:

RoadsRat:

robinhood_1984:

RoadsRat:
He was found “with the keys in the ignition”. Do you go to sleep with the keys left in the ignition?

Yes, why wouldn’t anyone? In many trucks the keys have to be in and turned on notch for the night heater to stay on more than an hour anyway.

Clearly the driver wasn’t on a break/rest at the time?

Are you stating a fact or asking a question?

kr79:
Nice easy nick though.
Why bother nicking all the local scumbags If you can nick someone who will most Likley plead guilty for an easy life than some scroat who will most Likley jump bail or pay fines out of job seekers at 10 p a week

Plead guilty for an easy life? What’s so easy about being banned from driving for four months and fined £200?

I’ll suspect he’ll struggle to find work with that on his driving record.