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RoadsRat:

quaser:

truckyboy:
Hw could he be drunk in charge when he was found unconscious at the side of the road,

From the report, there is no evidence that the driver was the person who was in the road - the police, by their own admission, didn’t find that person, or the witness who claimed to have seen him. The driver was found asleep in the cab, with a cut to the head, though crucially the keys were in the ignition.

A good brief would have torn that to shreds.

There’s a report that someone with X description is lying in the road by a truck semi-conscious. You turn up and there’s no one lying on the road but find a passed out drunk matching X description inside the truck.

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock?

And you think that somebody who is asleep can form an intention to drive?

I’ll explain to you what the law says once again. This will be the third time I’ve posted it, some folk aren’t too quick on the uptake but maybe thrice will be enough for you.

(2)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1)(b) above to prove that at the time he is alleged to have committed the offence the circumstances were such that there was no likelihood of his driving the vehicle whilst the proportion of alcohol in his breath, blood or urine remained likely to exceed the prescribed limit. .

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

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Hey Harry, you seem to have missed this? :wink:

Harry Monk:
there’s no offence being committed, even if I had the keys in the ignition, even if I had the engine running to re-charge the batteries, the definition of “drive” is "to operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle.

Don’t you realise the the offence is “drunk in charge…”?

Notice where it says “or”?

(a)drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle on a road or other public place,
or .

(b)is in charge of a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, .
after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit he is guilty of an offence.

And I’m supposed to be the thick one! :grimacing: :laughing:

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Harry Monk:

RoadsRat:

quaser:

truckyboy:
Hw could he be drunk in charge when he was found unconscious at the side of the road,

From the report, there is no evidence that the driver was the person who was in the road - the police, by their own admission, didn’t find that person, or the witness who claimed to have seen him. The driver was found asleep in the cab, with a cut to the head, though crucially the keys were in the ignition.

A good brief would have torn that to shreds.

There’s a report that someone with X description is lying in the road by a truck semi-conscious. You turn up and there’s no one lying on the road but find a passed out drunk matching X description inside the truck.

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock?

And you think that somebody who is asleep can form an intention to drive?

I’ll explain to you what the law says once again. This will be the third time I’ve posted it, some folk aren’t too quick on the uptake but maybe thrice will be enough for you.

(2)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1)(b) above to prove that at the time he is alleged to have committed the offence the circumstances were such that there was no likelihood of his driving the vehicle whilst the proportion of alcohol in his breath, blood or urine remained likely to exceed the prescribed limit. .

Good job you aren’t a detective, eh Sherlock? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Clearly there’s more to this than has been released to the public. Was his tacho set to rest/break? What did his tacho records show? What time of day was it? Where was he “parked”? Etc etc.

Was he actually asleep or was it a drink induced?

Why didn’t his solicitor mention he was on a break?

You’re right, I’m not a detective. That’s CID. :wink:

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RoadsRat:

Contraflow:
Officer, can I see some identification please? I have some concerns about your authenticity. :confused:

No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything. :smiley:

what you actually mean is…that you and that long serving member are one and the same,and this is another of his fake characters dreamt up in order to win a debate he has already lost…twice

eh mick :wink:

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commonrail:

RoadsRat:

Contraflow:
Officer, can I see some identification please? I have some concerns about your authenticity. :confused:

No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything. :smiley:

what you actually mean is…that you and that long serving member are one and the same,and this is another of his fake characters dreamt up in order to win a debate he has already lost…twice

eh mick :wink:

You’re putting in an excellent effort of making a knob out of yourself with your paranoia infront of everyone here. Please do keep it up, I’m enjoying it! :grimacing: :smiley: :sunglasses:

I’m sure the forum mods can do their magic and put your mind at ease! :wink:

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RoadsRat:

commonrail:

RoadsRat:
You have nothing to worry about. I fully understand the laws thank you.

I must apologise for disappearing - my life doesn’t revolve around Internet forums. I do have a life.

Give me a shout when you’re next outside Acme Plastics and six times over, with the keys in the ignition and the engine running. You can have your day in court and prove everyone wrong? Deal?

You’re lecturing me on S5, yet you clearly don’t understand it! :laughing:

Remember what you posted:

(a)drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, or .
(b)is in charge of a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, .
after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit he is guilty of an offence.

So, you don’t have to be driving it. Just being drunk in charge (keys in ignition and engine running) will suffice.You had the cheek to tell me about an intelligence test on English comprehension! I think it’s you that’s need one, although intelligence and truck driver don’t really go together. :wink:

so how do you explain,how i was caught in my van,asleep in the drivers seat,with the engine running…
the copper had to actually break the window to wake me up.

i had been drinking in an unfamiliar town with a work mate,and the plan was to kip at his house.during the night we got seperated,and when i returned to his house i could`nt wake him.
plan b…kip in the van,which was parked outside.
during the night it got cold,so i jumped in the front,started the engine and promptly fell asleep again…next thing i knew i was covered in glass,with a copper shaking me.
locked me up,and next morning,the wpc who interviewed me,told me to get a solicitor…because in her view i had no intention on driving,mainly due to the fact i was fast asleep with a coat wrapped around me.(she had recorded this in her notebook,on the night).

end result…never even showed in court…cps would`nt touch it.

Were you breathalyised? If so, what was the reading?

i don`t remember,i was blind drunk

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My Troll Detector seems to be ringing rather loudly at the moment. :stuck_out_tongue:

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commonrail:

RoadsRat:

commonrail:

RoadsRat:
You have nothing to worry about. I fully understand the laws thank you.

I must apologise for disappearing - my life doesn’t revolve around Internet forums. I do have a life.

Give me a shout when you’re next outside Acme Plastics and six times over, with the keys in the ignition and the engine running. You can have your day in court and prove everyone wrong? Deal?

You’re lecturing me on S5, yet you clearly don’t understand it! :laughing:

Remember what you posted:

(a)drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, or .
(b)is in charge of a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, .
after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit he is guilty of an offence.

So, you don’t have to be driving it. Just being drunk in charge (keys in ignition and engine running) will suffice.You had the cheek to tell me about an intelligence test on English comprehension! I think it’s you that’s need one, although intelligence and truck driver don’t really go together. :wink:

so how do you explain,how i was caught in my van,asleep in the drivers seat,with the engine running…
the copper had to actually break the window to wake me up.

i had been drinking in an unfamiliar town with a work mate,and the plan was to kip at his house.during the night we got seperated,and when i returned to his house i could`nt wake him.
plan b…kip in the van,which was parked outside.
during the night it got cold,so i jumped in the front,started the engine and promptly fell asleep again…next thing i knew i was covered in glass,with a copper shaking me.
locked me up,and next morning,the wpc who interviewed me,told me to get a solicitor…because in her view i had no intention on driving,mainly due to the fact i was fast asleep with a coat wrapped around me.(she had recorded this in her notebook,on the night).

end result…never even showed in court…cps would`nt touch it.

Were you breathalyised? If so, what was the reading?

i don`t remember,i was blind drunk

So you’ve probably imagined it all then. Makes sense.

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Harry Monk:
My Troll Detector seems to be ringing rather loudly at the moment. :stuck_out_tongue:

Does it do that when things aren’t going your way?

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RoadsRat:
No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything.

Who’s that then?

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commonrail:

RoadsRat:

commonrail:

RoadsRat:
You have nothing to worry about. I fully understand the laws thank you.

I must apologise for disappearing - my life doesn’t revolve around Internet forums. I do have a life.

Give me a shout when you’re next outside Acme Plastics and six times over, with the keys in the ignition and the engine running. You can have your day in court and prove everyone wrong? Deal?

You’re lecturing me on S5, yet you clearly don’t understand it! :laughing:

Remember what you posted:

(a)drives or attempts to drive a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, or .
(b)is in charge of a motor vehicle on a road or other public place, .
after consuming so much alcohol that the proportion of it in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit he is guilty of an offence.

So, you don’t have to be driving it. Just being drunk in charge (keys in ignition and engine running) will suffice.You had the cheek to tell me about an intelligence test on English comprehension! I think it’s you that’s need one, although intelligence and truck driver don’t really go together. :wink:

so how do you explain,how i was caught in my van,asleep in the drivers seat,with the engine running…
the copper had to actually break the window to wake me up.

i had been drinking in an unfamiliar town with a work mate,and the plan was to kip at his house.during the night we got seperated,and when i returned to his house i could`nt wake him.
plan b…kip in the van,which was parked outside.
during the night it got cold,so i jumped in the front,started the engine and promptly fell asleep again…next thing i knew i was covered in glass,with a copper shaking me.
locked me up,and next morning,the wpc who interviewed me,told me to get a solicitor…because in her view i had no intention on driving,mainly due to the fact i was fast asleep with a coat wrapped around me.(she had recorded this in her notebook,on the night).

end result…never even showed in court…cps would`nt touch it.

Were you breathalyised? If so, what was the reading?

i don`t remember,i was blind drunk

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Contraflow:

RoadsRat:
No need to worry about my authenticity. There’s a longstanding member here who can confirm everything.

Who’s that then?

I’m sure they’ll make themselves known soon enough.

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Harry Monk:
My Troll Detector seems to be ringing rather loudly at the moment. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes but we are just thick truck drivers don’t forget. Unlike her majesty’s boys in blue who are completely logical and have bags of common sense and who weren’t bullied at school and know how to drive a truck better than truck drivers. :laughing:

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When it comes to dealing with the evil of drink-driving, it’s always refreshing to see our brave boys in blue leading by example…

AN OFF-DUTY traffic police officer caught drink-driving has been banned from the roads for 16 months.
Former Sergeant Craig Dunderdale, 41, of Authorpe, near Louth, pleaded guilty.

Lincoln Magistrates’ Court heard he got into his vehicle in the car park beneath Lincoln police station after drinking in the city with colleagues on December 17.
But two officers returning from foot patrol had noticed he was unsteady on his feet. They saw him get into the car while he was talking on his mobile phone, and waited outside, thinking he would emerge on foot after the conversation was over.

He failed to successfully complete a breathalyser test. He became dizzy and faint and was taken to hospital where a blood sample showed 137mg of alcohol in 100ml of blood. The legal limit is 80mg.

thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Police-r … z2NAFVhHcw

A former traffic officer who preached to children about the dangers of drink driving was caught drink driving - after he pulled over to down a bottle of wine.
Graham Carroll, who had a 28-year policing career, was more than three times over the limit when he stopped in a layby on the way home from the pub.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … z2NAFzF5gK

A DRINK-DRIVING cop who tried to cheat justice by tampering with his urine sample was spared a jail sentence yesterday.

A sheriff told Sergeant Ewan McHardy it would cost too much to protect him in prison and let him off with a £6000 fine.

Sheriff Ian Abercrombie also noted that McHardy, a former traffic cop who used to nick drunk drivers, would lose much of his pension because of his crime.

Grampian Police officer McHardy, 42, was caught drinkdriving in Elgin, Moray, in March 2005 after fellow cops saw him weaving all over the road.

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott … ed-1038081

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Harry Monk:
When it comes to dealing with the evil of drink-driving, it’s always refreshing to see our brave boys in blue leading by example…

AN OFF-DUTY traffic police officer caught drink-driving has been banned from the roads for 16 months.
Former Sergeant Craig Dunderdale, 41, of Authorpe, near Louth, pleaded guilty.

Lincoln Magistrates’ Court heard he got into his vehicle in the car park beneath Lincoln police station after drinking in the city with colleagues on December 17.
But two officers returning from foot patrol had noticed he was unsteady on his feet. They saw him get into the car while he was talking on his mobile phone, and waited outside, thinking he would emerge on foot after the conversation was over.

He failed to successfully complete a breathalyser test. He became dizzy and faint and was taken to hospital where a blood sample showed 137mg of alcohol in 100ml of blood. The legal limit is 80mg.

thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Police-r … z2NAFVhHcw

A former traffic officer who preached to children about the dangers of drink driving was caught drink driving - after he pulled over to down a bottle of wine.
Graham Carroll, who had a 28-year policing career, was more than three times over the limit when he stopped in a layby on the way home from the pub.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … z2NAFzF5gK

A DRINK-DRIVING cop who tried to cheat justice by tampering with his urine sample was spared a jail sentence yesterday.

A sheriff told Sergeant Ewan McHardy it would cost too much to protect him in prison and let him off with a £6000 fine.

Sheriff Ian Abercrombie also noted that McHardy, a former traffic cop who used to nick drunk drivers, would lose much of his pension because of his crime.

Grampian Police officer McHardy, 42, was caught drinkdriving in Elgin, Moray, in March 2005 after fellow cops saw him weaving all over the road.

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott … ed-1038081

A very small percentage (of idiots) out of the 150,000 police officers in the UK.

What about truck drivers caught drink driving every year. The very people who rely on their licence for their job?

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this thread is like watching a pair of kids squabble over who gets the last wine gum out of the packet and it’s only gonna end in tears when ya both get a slap round the ear ole

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scotstrucker:
this thread is like watching a pair of kids squabble over who gets the last wine gum out of the packet and it’s only gonna end in tears when ya both get a slap round the ear ole

We are not squabbling, we are holding a civilised adult debate. There are no personal attacks, there is no name-calling, we simply disagree on a point of law and we are discussing it.

Whether he admits to it or not, I think that Roadsrat would be less likely to harass a trucker unwinding by having a few beers when parked up for the night outside the factory he is delivering to in the morning as a result of the relevant section of the Road Traffic Act which I posted, and that can only be a good thing.

Anyway, apologies to Roadsrat for my ignorance in forgetting to welcome a new member, so here goes.

Hello and welcome along! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

You’ll find that TruckNet can be very educational if you are open to the idea of accepting that your previously-held mindset may have been wrong. Although we are, in your words simple “steering wheel attendants”, some of us, including myself, have an educational background in law and so you would be mistaken in deluding yourself that you must be right simply because you are a police officer and I choose to drive a truck.

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Harry Monk:

scotstrucker:
this thread is like watching a pair of kids squabble over who gets the last wine gum out of the packet and it’s only gonna end in tears when ya both get a slap round the ear ole

We are not squabbling, we are holding a civilised adult debate. There are no personal attacks, there is no name-calling, we simply disagree on a point of law and we are discussing it.

Whether he admits to it or not, I think that Roadsrat would be less likely to harass a trucker unwinding by having a few beers when parked up for the night outside the factory he is delivering to in the morning as a result of the relevant section of the Road Traffic Act which I posted, and that can only be a good thing.

Anyway, apologies to Roadsrat for my ignorance in forgetting to welcome a new member, so here goes.

Hello and welcome along! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

You’ll find that TruckNet can be very educational if you are open to the idea of accepting that your previously-held mindset may have been wrong. Although we are, in your words simple “steering wheel attendants”, some of us, including myself, have an educational background in law and so you would be mistaken in deluding yourself that you must be right simply because you are a police officer and I choose to drive a truck.

I’m just here for the debate and to clear up any “misunderstandings” over road traffic law. We indeed disagree over the law but it’s nothing personal.

I’ll happily admit that I wouldn’t harass any driver who’s parked up for the night, and fancies having a few jars. It’s not illegal and there’s much more important things to worry about. What a driver does in his truck during his daily rest is none of my business provided its legal. That includes drinking some alcohol.

Thanks for the welcome Harry! :smiley:

I’ve been lurking for a year or so, so I’ve seen the best and worst of TruckNet in action. My mind is very open to accept what you guys say. I wouldn’t be here otherwise. My use of “steering wheel attendant” was wrong of me, and was only used in jest because I know it’ll get a reaction. Despite what some may think, I don’t look down on you guys. You’re just doing a vital job like everyone else. I’m not a truck hater either. I may say things in the heat of the moment, but it’s not personal. Harry, I can see you (and a few others) have an educational background - your posts stand out and you come across very well. I don’t believe I’m right and that you’re “just” a truck driver. We all get things wrong. I just see the law differently to some of you.

I may have got off on the wrong foot, but I’m genuinely not here to cause trouble or to troll. Obviously my opinions are different to some of yours, and that’s to be expected. I know we probably won’t agree on much but that’s life. I’m just here for a civil discussion and friendly banter.

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Well, isn’t this just lovely? I think a single tear just rolled down my cheek. :smiley:

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Contraflow:
Well, isn’t this just lovely? I think a single tear just rolled down my cheek. :smiley:

Feeling left out? Need a hug? :laughing: :wink: